[erauman]

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http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1931915,00.asp <--link to article

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Well, that's exactly what Microsoft is doing with Vista. The whole kernel has been reorganized and rewritten to help prevent software from affecting the system in unsavory ways. In Vista, it should be much more difficult for unauthorized programs (like Viruses and Trojans) to affect the core of the OS and secretly harm your system. That's not all, of course. Microsoft has made it their aim to make life easier on developers by improving and simplifying the way software interfaces with the system and the underlying hardware. Naturally, performance has been a major concern, too.

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The new networking stack has a much bigger focus on security, working better with firewalls to allow much finer granularity of which applications can use network resources i What's more, Media Center will support CableCard in Vista (with appropriate certified hardware), so it's possible to get hi-def TV over cable and not just via over-the-air broadcasts, which is the current limitation with all other PVR software, including Windows XP Media Center Edition. n which ways, and it's made to stand up a lot better to network attacks. The built-in firewall in Vista is much more robust than the one included in XP Service Pack 2.

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The company says that anyone with a high-speed internet connection will immediately notice dramatic improvements in overall download speeds.

 

[Remonster]

No way! Look at that article and go back a page from where the link above takes you (second page overall) and you'll see that Vista has a built in benchmark! LOL! Thats so cool. And what's an FX-25?? (the screen shot shows that the person has that as his CPU....)

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The driver model of Vista has been totally changed. Many of the drivers that used to sit at the system (kernel) level are now at the user level, which means that when drivers fail, your whole system shouldn't crash. You should also be able to update most drivers without rebooting your system.

YES!!

 

[J3r3my]

Itll be good if MS kills all that DRM crap they were gonna put on it like that stupid HDCP.

 

[SManocchio]

Sounds pretty good...but remember they are gunna try to keep the problems and bugs quiet...we wont really know how it is until it comes

 

[Remonster]

Agreed J3r3my!!

And also:

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The DX10 graphics API will usher in unified vertex and pixel shaders, and introduce the concept of "geometry shaders" that can act on not just single vertices, but whole triangles and their adjacent vertices. Developers will be able to stream out data from the GPU and reuse it without needing the CPU to do a single thing, so a lot of the CPU load seen in current graphics drivers and games should be reduced. DX10 should allow for more flexible and granular graphics memory access, and in general allow GPUs to be far more flexible and powerful than before.

LOL just what we needed, with all these super high end GPUs and SLI and CrossFire making our systems highly CPU dependant, its good to see some load coming off of the CPU for a change.

EDIT/// Hey I just read something and it made me realize why Microsoft is releasing Halo 2 PC only for Vista, its not to make people switch over necessarily, its so that it can be fully DX10 compatible, which means that our Halo 2 PC should look a heck of a lot better than Halo 2 ever did on Xbox

and that sounds plenty good to me

 

[zerohour]

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Originally Posted by Remonster No way! Look at that article and go back a page from where the link above takes you (second page overall) and you'll see that Vista has a built in benchmark! LOL! Thats so cool. And what's an FX-25?? (the screen shot shows that the person has that as his CPU....) YES!!

Yea I saw that also, interesting. I know I personally have very high hopes for Vista seeing how XP is pretty much the Geo Metro of operating systems.

 

[The Bartender Paradox]

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Originally Posted by J3r3my Itll be good if MS kills all that DRM crap they were gonna put on it like that stupid HDCP.

HDCP is in Vista
Whats funny about HDCP is that no graphics cards curently avalable can support it. That includes that 7800x one just bought. With out HDCP support HD-DVDs run at 25% resolution of the original.

 

[13 3 @ 7 l 3 13 0 y]

there will be a non-HDCP version that will work just as well.
seriously, THINK. MS is NOT trying to screw us, they want what we want, you'll see once it comes out, until then, have faith in MS

 

[Pinhead-227]

I wonder if the 64-bit version will have more of a performance gain over the 32-bit version than x64 has over XP... And maybe hardware manufacturers will support Vista more readily than they did x64.

 

[erauman]

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Originally Posted by Pinhead-227 I wonder if the 64-bit version will have more of a performance gain over the 32-bit version than x64 has over XP... And maybe hardware manufacturers will support Vista more readily than they did x64.

Well Vista is supposed to be a true 64 bit environment, unlike the patch job XP 64 bit edition.

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Originally Posted by Remonster Agreed J3r3my!! And also: LOL just what we needed, with all these super high end GPUs and SLI and CrossFire making our systems highly CPU dependant, its good to see some load coming off of the CPU for a change. EDIT/// Hey I just read something and it made me realize why Microsoft is releasing Halo 2 PC only for Vista, its not to make people switch over necessarily, its so that it can be fully DX10 compatible, which means that our Halo 2 PC should look a heck of a lot better than Halo 2 ever did on Xbox and that sounds plenty good to me

haha, i can't wait for gaming consoles to become completely obsolete, that should make everything cheaper for us pc gamers.

 

[J3r3my]

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Originally Posted by The Bartender Paradox HDCP is in Vista Whats funny about HDCP is that no graphics cards curently avalable can support it. That includes that 7800x one just bought. With out HDCP support HD-DVDs run at 25% resolution of the original.

Thats lame. Plus most movies that get shared on P2P are small and low quality anyway so thats not gonna stop anyone.

 

[Cait Sith Cat]

DVD provides excellent quality; the eye can hardly tell a difference unless you were to watch on a 10 foot screen... for a computer? It seems it will only take up more HD space when you rip an ISO rather than do anything really impressive.

 

[pauldovi]

You want to know why Vista will be over-rated, expensive, and full of problems?

Because it is made by M$! I never took stat, but it takes no expert to know that if all your previous OS's sucked, the next probably will too.

 

[NOS---]

(Sorry didnt want to real whole post)

That Desktop is called sphereXP, it was packaged in the Longhorn2006 OS(Most P2P apps have it)

It is just Windows XP with a Built-In windows Blinds

http://www.spheresite.com/

Proof

I still think Vista is a load of crap tho..... I think that is just a shot to get us to spend out money on useless stuff.

 

[Jori]

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Originally Posted by pauldovi You want to know why Vista will be over-rated, expensive, and full of problems? Because it is made by M$! I never took stat, but it takes no expert to know that if all your previous OS's sucked, the next probably will too.

The only OS that I have used that sucked was Windows ME. I dunno whats up with everyone's following the mass idea that Windows sucks, but its pretty annoying.. I havent had any problems, im sorry if someone else has to reinstall 10 times a year, I havent had to, and ive had no problems.

 

[NOS---]

Yeah Windows ME was the worst, I like windows XP, and the 64bit people are happy with Windows XP64(most)

I am not bashing Vista, I just think it is AHEAD of our time, when we ALL have 64Bit and Dual Core, then yes, but not all of us have rigs to handle Vista

 

[satansmurf]

I use Windows, *ux and MacOS 9-X.
There is no reason to slam something you:
a) haven't even used
b) don't technically understand
c) know the history of (that is to the 16 year old US flag fellow...)

We can all sit around and circle jerk until the ends of days about how something could be better.. but if MS (or someone) did not come along when they did, we would all be sitting around trying to debug TCP connection apps and wondering why our graphics looks like PacMan still.

Who the eff could miss the days of having to ship three or four different browsers with their application to make sure the OS had the files in place to handle the app.. and worse, you had to code your crap to work with all that.. and hope the end user picked the most bug free version (the browser and yours...)
Having a million drivers with no way of know what works.. Unless you hit the BBS's enough (ok, now web forums) to even know if you could *boot your system* after taking on new dependencies.. and no way find a way out until you found a friend who let you spend time on their system (there were no schools with computers on the net, libraries, etc.)

Given Apple decided to be a proprietary OS, Windows was needed (or something.. what whatever that something was is the same thing people would be putting $ or whatever signs in the name of (ala M$))

Would you invest millions in a chunk of hardware if you had to try to support 12 platforms? (The thought of it makes my head hurt now supporting as few platforms as I have to..) BIOS, chipset, NIC, HDs, whatever. Just throw **** out there to the grace of the world and hope some part time *ux dev gets a driver to work - and the rest of the world finds it?

Knock Windows how you want.. But tread carefully. If you are not an idiot end user, XP is pretty hard to take down. If you take down 2003, you deserve it by your own action. And 200 before those.. Windows is on an obvious arc.. To say otherwise is just folly.

Shell exploits in Firefox and worms for MacOSX. As MS keeps locking down, the point of attack is getting smaller and smaller. Now, there is never really protection to an idiot end user, but you can mitigate it. There are now attacks on services like Veritas, MacAffee live, etc. I could only hope to imagine that Vista is but yet another move in the right direction... (What is server version called that comes out later? I can't remember...)

/drunk rant

I guess a few posts up there got me going

If *ux didn't have something to aspire to, and ruled the world in 1995.. You would still be using cmd prompt. There is no aspiration. Just approximation for those too lazy to get away from GUI. (And the only reason *ux has taken so long, is the hardcore space monkeys of it being such hard ass cmd line junkies.. Who wants UI? ***? It is slow? I can bang out far more recompiles at the prompt!)

 

[ENTERPRISE]

That OS sounds more enticing everyday...When is it out people i think it was in the next couple of months.

 

[satansmurf]

Not for a while I think.. end of year?

I have been running Beta1 for a bit. I like the fact that it seems that some old crap has been tossed - specifically dependencies were cleaned up (meaing a weird issue in winlogon won't cause IE to AV on you) and driver base reset. Not all features are in Beta1, so hard to say yet

 

[AwDxTc]

I have to agree with a lot of the things that santasmurf said. We would still be in the dark ages in aspect of the OS with it wasn't for the dreaded "M$." Yeah they maybe be bugs and security holes but if you're old enough to have actually gone through puberty and been around in the early days of Windows and weren't playing your Seasame Street games on Mommy and Daddies IBM then you would know that every new OS MS releases get's better and better. Even now that Mac is gaining popularity you're seeing exploits in their OS as well. What you need to realize is that during R&D MS can not predict every little bug and hiccup that can go wrong, it's impossible. Trusy me I know this I'm on a Dev Team for GE creating coreloads for all of GE's 700,000 PC's. The only way to do it is when a hole is detected is to work on a patch and get it out as quickly as possible, which I personally feel MS does fairly well.

What I love to see it the users who b!tch about their OS and have no clue on how to use it properly

, but yet still seem to use it because they have no knowledge on how to use anything else. So complain, whine, and cry all you want but I think it is the user that is the problem not the software.