Will a GTX 260 fit, and other questions.

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hamzta09

Discussion Starter · Mar 17, 2009

Just as the title says.

Will it fit in an Antec Three Hundred?
Will this processor bottleneck it, Q9500 2.66ghz or Q9400 2.5ghz? Or perhaps (but not sure) E8500 3,16ghz?

Will the card run Crysis on 1440x900 with all Eyecandy (not AA!) on very high with 30+ fps? (My 8800GT runs it at 15-30fps lol but at 1280x768 res)

Will the processor/card run GTA IV on full eyecandy with view dist at 50 or wherever it get forced to stop at with 1680x1050 res? (30+ fps that is)
Which processor seems best? (Im on a budget! So dont mention Q9550 or so)

How long will the card manage to max the graphics on newer games? Half year? One? Two? (I dont count AA in it as, I dont really bother with it if it kills performance)

Or should I go for an HD4850X2 1GB? Or will it operate/give performance of a single HD4850 512mb in games that does not have support for Xfire?
Or this one XFX GeForce GTX 280 602M 1GB PhysX (Its at same price as the HD4850x2 1gb)

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StormX2

· #2 · Mar 17, 2009

I personally want the GTX 260 for my Sig rig, really badly.

I don't think you should bother with the X2 cards, and the GTX 280/285 would be pretty well waisted at your resolution without AA pumped.

The GTX 260 would make sence with a good quad core processor. But I think you should be able to play with 2 and 4x AA with those games on that system with that card.

Slinkey123

· #3 · Mar 17, 2009

1. yes
2. no, none will bottleneck it.
3.not sure about 30+ fps but im sure it will be very smooth
4. If you get a quad GTA4 should run at 30+ fps, its one of the only games to actually use quad
5.should be able to max most games for another year, as you dont use AA.
6.4850x2 is a great card but its very big, bigger than the 4870x2 somehow lol. But yeah if you can afford it go for the 280

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hamzta09

Discussion Starter · #4 · Mar 17, 2009

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I personally want the GTX 260 for my Sig rig, really badly.

I don't think you should bother with the X2 cards, and the GTX 280/285 would be pretty well waisted at your resolution without AA pumped.

The GTX 260 would make sence with a good quad core processor. But I think you should be able to play with 2 and 4x AA with those games on that system with that card.

My monitor is at 24" with 1920x1200 res.
More video mem and im happy. Sucks the GTX 260 dont got more than 876mb of vram

And why would a GTX 280 be waisted anyway? For me it cost 3200 kr (Swedish currency) which is about 300 euro or something
GTX 260 cost around 270 euro, Which one is the winner?

And i only mentioned those low resolutions as my current nvidia card can scale the resolutions (the lower ones) properly without getting blurred etc. (Nvidia control panel > screen option or something and -Do not scale-)
cause crysis/GTA IV arent really those games you CAN run at 1920x1200 or well GTA is but not that silky smooth as the game scales up textures with the res aswell making it eat more resources.

Slinkey:
Will the HD4850X2 fit in an Antec? Or is it about the same size as the GTX 260?

Should I go for the Core 216 'superclocked' GTX 260 or the GTX 280 1GB stock.

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Slinkey123

· #5 · Mar 17, 2009

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My monitor is at 24" with 1920x1200 res.
More video mem and im happy. Sucks the GTX 260 dont got more than 876mb of vram

And why would a GTX 280 be waisted anyway? For me it cost 3200 kr (Swedish currency) which is about 300 euro or something
GTX 260 cost around 270 euro, Which one is the winner?

And i only mentioned those low resolutions as my current nvidia card can scale the resolutions (the lower ones) properly without getting blurred etc. (Nvidia control panel > screen option or something and -Do not scale-)
cause crysis/GTA IV arent really those games you CAN run at 1920x1200 or well GTA is but not that silky smooth as the game scales up textures with the res aswell making it eat more resources.

Slinkey:
Will the HD4850X2 fit in an Antec? Or is it about the same size as the GTX 260?

Should I go for the Core 216 'superclocked' GTX 260 or the GTX 280 1GB stock.

280 will beat the 260 superclocked. 4850x2 is slightly better than the 280 but only in games that support multi GPU and it should just about fit.. but you may have to move some HDD's. Its actually the biggest card you can get, its around 1 inch bigger than the 260 and 280. I would personally go for the 280

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hamzta09

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 18, 2009

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280 will beat the 260 superclocked. 4850x2 is slightly better than the 280 but only in games that support multi GPU and it should just about fit.. but you may have to move some HDD's. Its actually the biggest card you can get, its around 1 inch bigger than the 260 and 280. I would personally go for the 280

And what about the GTX 285 ?
Is it 876mb x 2 or is it 1gb? Vendors say: 1gb.
While benches say 876mb x 2 (vram)

Found it cheap.

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Lyric

· #7 · Mar 18, 2009

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Just as the title says.

Will it fit in an Antec Three Hundred?
Will this processor bottleneck it, Q9500 2.66ghz or Q9400 2.5ghz? Or perhaps (but not sure) E8500 3,16ghz?

Will the card run Crysis on 1440x900 with all Eyecandy (not AA!) on very high with 30+ fps? (My 8800GT runs it at 15-30fps lol but at 1280x768 res)

Will the processor/card run GTA IV on full eyecandy with view dist at 50 or wherever it get forced to stop at with 1680x1050 res? (30+ fps that is)
Which processor seems best? (Im on a budget! So dont mention Q9550 or so)

How long will the card manage to max the graphics on newer games? Half year? One? Two? (I dont count AA in it as, I dont really bother with it if it kills performance)

Or should I go for an HD4850X2 1GB? Or will it operate/give performance of a single HD4850 512mb in games that does not have support for Xfire?
Or this one XFX GeForce GTX 280 602M 1GB PhysX (Its at same price as the HD4850x2 1gb)

The card won't be bottleneck'd by a E8500 if overclocked to 3.5 or so, nor a Q9550.

I run crysis @ 1680x1050 with no AA, high settings and average 50fps. (card is overclocked to 720/1440/1107). So I'm sure a lower res like 1440x900 will do even better, you'll probably be able to run 2x AA or better.

A Quad core is best for GTA IV, my CPU usage is like 85% when playing that game. ([email protected]). GTA IV is also poorly optimized to run on computers, its a direct port from xbox. It suffers from a huge memory leak...I have to run medium textures or the game will crash after an hour of play on high textures, but everything else is able to be run on high. I get 60fps in the benchmark.

It still only plays GTA IV for about 3-4 hours then I have to reboot or I'll get the dreaded RESC10 error "Not enough video memory".

Hopefully a patch will be out to fix this crappy game soon.

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hamzta09

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 18, 2009

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The card won't be bottleneck'd by a E8500 if overclocked to 3.5 or so, nor a Q9550.

I run crysis @ 1680x1050 with no AA, high settings and average 50fps. (card is overclocked to 720/1440/1107). So I'm sure a lower res like 1440x900 will do even better, you'll probably be able to run 2x AA or better.

A Quad core is best for GTA IV, my CPU usage is like 85% when playing that game. (e[email protected]). GTA IV is also poorly optimized to run on computers, its a direct port from xbox. It suffers from a huge memory leak...I have to run medium textures or the game will crash after an hour of play, but everything else is able to be run on high. I get 60fps in the benchmark.

It still only plays GTA IV for about 3-4 hours then I have to reboot or I'll get the dreaded RESC10 error "Not enough video memory".

What about Very High settings? (Sunshafts etc)
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...eviews/?page=8
All cards seem to fail at the game, except the GTX 295..

280 gets around 19 fps and the gtx 260 get 15 fps.

My card (1280x768 res) runs the game at 20 fps outdoors all on very high with drops (13fps or so) when loads of objects is on screen & lots of action)

So how come even these cards struggle? Seems NO card ever will run crysis at max with a stable 35+ fps lol.

oh and its an E8500 in the review aswell.

E8500 vs Q8200 (or Q9500) which one wins? (Not OC'd)

Memory leaks is supposed to be fixed in the next patch aswell as cheatprotection on multiplayer. (GTA IV)
You run with view dist at highest, shadow dens? Shadow quality? Render, Reflection, Vehicle dens etc. And what resolution?

Oh and it uses like 80% of my CPU while in GTA IV and 60% ram then increasing to 92% then the game crashes

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Luda

· #9 · Mar 18, 2009

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What about Very High settings? (Sunshafts etc)
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...eviews/?page=8
All cards seem to fail at the game, except the GTX 295..

280 gets around 19 fps and the gtx 260 get 15 fps.

My card (1280x768 res) runs the game at 20 fps outdoors all on very high with drops (13fps or so) when loads of objects is on screen & lots of action)

So how come even these cards struggle? Seems NO card ever will run crysis at max with a stable 35+ fps lol.

oh and its an E8500 in the review aswell.

E8500 vs Q8200 (or Q9500) which one wins? (Not OC'd)

Memory leaks is supposed to be fixed in the next patch aswell as cheatprotection on multiplayer. (GTA IV)
You run with view dist at highest, shadow dens? Shadow quality? Render, Reflection, Vehicle dens etc. And what resolution?

Oh and it uses like 80% of my CPU while in GTA IV and 60% ram then increasing to 92% then the game crashes

)

Crysis still takes heavy duty hardware to get solid frames @ 1920x1200 Very high [like... i7 @ 4.0 w/ Overclocked Tri Sli GTX280 heavy duty] but if you sink the money into your rig to do it, it looks absolutly beautiful, but its a pricey endeavor.

The GTX260 is going to be my next card, with a second one coming shortly there after. but with such a small price difference i would go with the GTX280 to help give your purchase a little bit longer life span

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Rookie1337

· #10 · Mar 18, 2009

Am I not noticing this(I've yet to run frap or another FPS counter) but my 8800GT seems to handle Crysis maxed with 2-4AA pretty damn well (up until the snow and flying aliens then its bye-bye AA). Why does everyone else seem to have so much slow down?

Lyric

· #11 · Mar 18, 2009

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What about Very High settings? (Sunshafts etc)
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...eviews/?page=8

My card (1280x768 res) runs the game at 20 fps outdoors all on very high with drops (13fps or so) when loads of objects is on screen & lots of action)

So how come even these cards struggle? Seems NO card ever will run crysis at max with a stable 35+ fps lol.

oh and its an E8500 in the review aswell.

E8500 vs Q8200 (or Q9500) which one wins? (Not OC'd)

Memory leaks is supposed to be fixed in the next patch aswell as cheatprotection on multiplayer. (GTA IV)
You run with view dist at highest, shadow dens? Shadow quality? Render, Reflection, Vehicle dens etc. And what resolution?

Oh and it uses like 80% of my CPU while in GTA IV and 60% ram then increasing to 92% then the game crashes

)

Here are some benchmarks I just ran in crysis for you:

I personally play @ 1680x1050, no aa on high settings....good enough eye candy for me. Anything below 40fps isn't playable, or annoys me. I could play in 4x AA, but it dips into the 30s and there really isnt much of a difference that I can tell really....

Also the resolution I play GTA IV in is 1680x1050, not sure of the view distance, shadow quality is on high, render reflection is on highest, not sure what shadow density is set at either, nor vehicle density.

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Am I not noticing this(I've yet to run frap or another FPS counter) but my 8800GT seems to handle Crysis maxed with 2-4AA pretty damn well (up until the snow and flying aliens then its bye-bye AA). Why does everyone else seem to have so much slow down?

4x AA at what resolution on your 8800GT? What size monitor, these things take a big part in your FPS....

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hamzta09

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Am I not noticing this(I've yet to run frap or another FPS counter) but my 8800GT seems to handle Crysis maxed with 2-4AA pretty damn well (up until the snow and flying aliens then its bye-bye AA). Why does everyone else seem to have so much slow down?

No idea.

On the Assault mission, MAN the fps drops ALOT!
Same goes for inside the spaceship, construction/mining facility (outside)

On the 'contact' mission aka island it runs smooth. Then on the next one where you get to a huge town and need to rescue someone, when standing up on that cliff with an outpost on, looking down at the town, my fps drops to 14. So its alot of drops for me, but you dont notice it as much as in other games like UT3. (Running DX10 & Very high at 1280x768 no AA, no edge AA)

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hamzta09

Discussion Starter · #13 · Mar 18, 2009

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Here are some benchmarks I just ran in crysis for you:

Also the resolution I play GTA IV in is 1680x1050, not sure of the view distance, shadow quality is on high, render reflection is on highest, not sure what shadow density is set at either, nor vehicle density.

4x AA at what resolution on your 8800GT? What size monitor, these things take a big part in your FPS....

Now that is a 40% difference between 1680 & 1280.. Man!
now that is playable for sure, but what area is it benching in? An area with no action goin on or so? (Never found the benchmark tool for my own crysis. where is it?)

No AA, and monitor size is 24" 1920x1200, using the card control panel monitor option set to - Do not scale resolutions (keeping the exact aspect ratio & size and crisp image)
Ingame res: 1280x768.

Oh and forgot to tell, its using windowed mode (ive tried fullscreen aswell but the fps difference is 0)

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Lyric

· #14 · Mar 18, 2009

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Now that is a 40% difference between 1680 & 1280.. Man!
now that is playable for sure, but what area is it benching in? An area with no action goin on or so? (Never found the benchmark tool for my own crysis. where is it?)

No AA, and monitor size is 24" 1920x1200, using the card control panel monitor option set to - Do not scale resolutions (keeping the exact aspect ratio & size and crisp image)
Ingame res: 1280x768.

Oh and forgot to tell, its using windowed mode (ive tried fullscreen aswell but the fps difference is 0)

It benches the beach mission, people walking around and stuff...no hardcore action. I got the crysis benchmark tool off the crymod site, forgot the link...

I can tell you though that I play at 1680x1050, high settings with no AA and I'm up to the mission where you float around in the air. My fps has never dropped below 40. If I turn on 4x AA (same resolution / quality) it will drop periodically into the 30s which is annoying to me, so I keep the AA off.

Also my question about resolution, etc was directed at rookie, he says why do you all experience slowdowns and says he has no problems....

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hamzta09

Discussion Starter · #15 · Mar 18, 2009

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It benches the beach mission, people walking around and stuff...no hardcore action. I got the crysis benchmark tool off the crymod site, forgot the link...

I can tell you though that I play at 1680x1050, high settings with no AA and I'm up to the mission where you float around in the air. My fps has never dropped below 40. If I turn on 4x AA (same resolution / quality) it will drop periodically into the 30s which is annoying to me, so I keep the AA off.

Also my question about resolution, etc was directed at rookie, he says why do you all experience slowdowns and says he has no problems....

Ok, well. You got any idea of what you got on the very active 'Assault' mission? Its dark, planes are going over your head and bombing that harbour, you need to take out AA and theres ALOT of action goin on, and the sun rises aswell and it gets lighty.

Anyway that mission kills the GPU lol.

Anyway, I should be fine with a GTX 260 216core Superclocked or should I go for the GTX 280 1GB? Dont wanna buy a card then to see it doesnt perform as it should or a superuberduper card comes out for the same price after 10 days!

And do you know anything about CPU?
Is the E8500 fine or should I go for the Q9500 2,66ghz?
Talking about future games here (inc GTA IV)

The quad is 500 kr (Swedish currency) more than the E8500 (its around 50â‚¬)

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Rookie1337

· #16 · Mar 18, 2009

It's all using my sig rig. So 1440x900. Strange, the recent drivers helped a lot but they cause the enemies to have this weird blurred face effect(and I mean only the Korean troops get this).

Luda

· #17 · Mar 18, 2009

i would go with the quad, i was debating between my Q9550 and the E8x00 series and i decided 4xcores @ 2.8 was nicer then 2x cores @ 3.0 [and now ive got 4x cores @ 3.6 which is much better] so to extend the life of the system id say go with the quad, and youll see some nice increases in games that are quad core coded. as well as be able to leave more apps open when your decide to game for a little bit.

and as far as Cards go, go with the GTX280, especially with such a small price difference

Lyric

· #18 · Mar 18, 2009

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Ok, well. You got any idea of what you got on the very active 'Assault' mission? Its dark, planes are going over your head and bombing that harbour, you need to take out AA and theres ALOT of action goin on, and the sun rises aswell and it gets lighty.

Anyway that mission kills the GPU lol.

Anyway, I should be fine with a GTX 260 216core Superclocked or should I go for the GTX 280 1GB? Dont wanna buy a card then to see it doesnt perform as it should or a superuberduper card comes out for the same price after 10 days!

And do you know anything about CPU?
Is the E8500 fine or should I go for the Q9500 2,66ghz?
Talking about future games here (inc GTA IV)

The quad is 500 kr (Swedish currency) more than the E8500 (its around 50â‚¬)

I don't recall the mission, I have a ton of games so I don't play every one of them all the time. I've had crysis for a few months and haven't even beaten it yet.

I'd go with the GTX260-216 (55nm version), that is the one I have and I like it so far, but there is a rumor that a GTX275 is coming out and will be the middleman card between the GTX260 & GTX285, only for a slightly higher price of like $250.

Suppose to possibly be out in early April...I'm saving my step-up from EVGA for that card, its a $20 upgrade for me if it comes out in time, lol.

GTA IV takes advantage of quad cores, and so will future games I'm sure, so I'd go with the quad if I could re-do my rig all over again. Something like the Q9650, or Q9550 would be my suggestion. That's what I would get if I went quad.

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hamzta09

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I don't recall the mission, I have a ton of games so I don't play every one of them all the time. I've had crysis for a few months and haven't even beaten it yet.

I'd go with the GTX260-216 (55nm version), that is the one I have and I like it so far, but there is a rumor that a GTX275 is coming out and will be the middleman card between the GTX260 & GTX285, only for a slightly higher price of like $250.

Suppose to possibly be out in early April...I'm saving my step-up from EVGA for that card, its a $20 upgrade for me if it comes out in time, lol.

GTA IV takes advantage of quad cores, and so will future games I'm sure, so I'd go with the quad if I could re-do my rig all over again. Something like the Q9650, or Q9550 would be my suggestion. That's what I would get if I went quad.

Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 4096MB CL5, Kit w/two matched CM2X2048-6400 Dimm's

Antec Three Hundred 140mm Fan (Without PSU)

Corsair Powersupply 650W Black,ATX/EPS, 120mm fan, 8xSATA, SLI

Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L, P43, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16

Intel Coreâ„¢ 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz Socket LGA775, 1333MHz, 12MB, BOXED w/fan

EVGA GeForce GTX 260 896MB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 2.0, "Superclocked" 2xDVI, HDCP, Core 216, Graphics Plus, 55nm

Will this work? 9500 kr (Swedish Currency)
9000 is my budget though, will the motherboard handle GPu and the CPu?
Powersupply has 2 x 8pin and you can remove 2pin on both of those so its 6pin x 2 then.

Guess im set if it is good, not much of an overclocker either OR sli-guy.

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Lyric

· #20 · Mar 18, 2009

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Corsair TWIN2X 6400 DDR2, 4096MB CL5, Kit w/two matched CM2X2048-6400 Dimm's

Antec Three Hundred 140mm Fan (Without PSU)

Corsair Powersupply 650W Black,ATX/EPS, 120mm fan, 8xSATA, SLI

Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L, P43, Socket-775, ATX, GbLAN, DDR2, PCI-Ex(2.0)x16

Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz Socket LGA775, 1333MHz, 12MB, BOXED w/fan

EVGA GeForce GTX 260 896MB PhysX CUDA PCI-Express 2.0, "Superclocked" 2xDVI, HDCP, Core 216, Graphics Plus, 55nm

Will this work? 9500 kr (Swedish Currency)
9000 is my budget though, will the motherboard handle GPu and the CPu?
Powersupply has 2 x 8pin and you can remove 2pin on both of those so its 6pin x 2 then.

Guess im set if it is good, not much of an overclocker either OR sli-guy.

I have no idea if thats a good price or not, but as far as the build its solid, and everything is compatible.

9500 Swedish kronor = 1,129 USD I believe, if google is correct....

I put everything you listed in my cart on newegg.com (USA Website) for $820.00 USD (not including shipping).
I'm not sure how much higher prices are in Sweden compared to the US though...so that may be a good price for you.

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