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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Good news for AGP based systems looking for an upgrade path before making the jump to PCI-E / DX10. Diamond has announced it will be releasing the X1950Pro in AGP form for an estimated price of $199US.</td>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">In fact today Diamond Multimedia announces the release of the X1950XTX, the X1950 Crossfire and the X1950PRO in AGP form..........The X1950AGP model has a 256MB GDDR4 interface, core clock speed of 600MHz and a 1.4 GHz memory speed (Due Oct 2006).</td>
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<a href="http://neoseeker.com/news/story/6130/" target="_blank">http://neoseeker.com/news/story/6130/</a><br><br>
This brings a big <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"> to AGP users like me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Thumb">
 

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People are still still using AGP??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">People are still still using AGP??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/lachen.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Lachen"> You'd me suprised <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>sladesurfer</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">People are still still using AGP??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"></div>
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Haha, I was still using PCI 'till I upgraded in August.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">In fact today Diamond Multimedia announces the release of the X1950XTX, <b><i>the X1950 Crossfire</i></b> and the X1950PRO in AGP form..........The X1950AGP model has a 256MB GDDR4 interface, core clock speed of 600MHz and a 1.4 GHz memory speed (Due Oct 2006).</td>
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*** is the point of releasing the x1950 crossfire in agp? The x1950xtx and crossfire have the same clocks, the only difference is the compositing engine which is completely pointless in agp.......
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">*** is the point of releasing the x1950 crossfire in agp? The x1950xtx and crossfire have the same clocks, the only difference is the compositing engine which is completely pointless in agp.......</div>
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Theyre only releasing the X1950Pro in AGP.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Theyre only releasing the X1950Pro in AGP.</div>
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Still, this is a major bottleneck.... AGP just isn't designed for this kind of power. I'd expect scores to barely pass the 7800GS.... This is insane...
 

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What about the extra power the card needs? Molex connector, maybe?
 

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Why oh why does stuff like this pop up when I'm ready to say goodbye to my faithful P4 in about 4-5 months?
 

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Err you know the AGP slots bandwidth really hasnt been exceeded, or if it has little at all.<br><br>
PCI-E was just a buzz word i think, brings advantages for SLI etc.<br>
But if your not using SLI, ie AGP then there is no performance drop, except from maybe the chip to convert PCI-E cards to AGP
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>KSIMP88</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">Still, this is a major bottleneck.... AGP just isn't designed for this kind of power. I'd expect scores to barely pass the 7800GS.... This is insane...</div>
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Ace of spades is right, the change to PCI from AGP was probably for marketing purposes such as forcing atleast the enthusiasts among us to buy another mobo etc. The Bandwidth of AGP was far from being Maxed last time i checked.
 

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There is only money to be made in making this card in AGP form. There are alot of AGP users out there that would spend $200 on a card instead of $2000 on a new pc!<br><br>
Last I heard, they switched to PCI-E for marketing ($$$). There wasn't anything wrong, nor maxed out on the AGP slot.<br><br>
I'm kinda waiting for DX10 before I drop alot of money into a card. Besides gives me time to get all my ducks in a row! LOL
 

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no the reason they moved to pcie because the lanes could be shared and data could be sent both ways , unlike agp.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">no the reason they moved to pcie because the lanes could be shared and data could be sent both ways , unlike agp.</div>

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</div>Then how come when you compare the same Agp and Pcie card you will find little or almost no performance increase between them.. shouldn't PCIe express 16x have double the bandwith then AGP 8x and have noticable boost in performance ? <img src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumb" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong please and give me <img src="/images/smilies/proof.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Proof" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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This review shows how pcie vs. agp are so close in the benchmarks... infact AGP seems to come on top in most benchmarks but how come? someone explain please....
 

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Ahhh I miss my agp x800 pro.... Did well with my 1.3 celeron 256mb ram and a 250 watt psu... I can tell you now I wouldn't have switched if there was a agp x1800 xt. The agp was never out dated at all!
 

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Well, I dont really trust Diamond products. Even though I've never owned one. But I do see alot of Return Stickers on Diamond Products at Frys though. (Sound Cards, Video Cards, etc.)
 

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Absolutely...no...point.<br />
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Anyone who is knowledgeable about buying GPUs and motherboards already has a PCI-E board, so there is absolutely...no...point to releasing a GPU for...for all intents and purposes, dead socket.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Absolutely...no...point.<br />
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Anyone who is knowledgeable about buying GPUs and motherboards already has a PCI-E board, so there is absolutely...no...point to releasing a GPU for...for all intents and purposes, dead socket.</div>

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Thats the sad point I hate to agree with you on this it is a dead socket. <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="/images/smilies/gunner2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Gunner2" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Absolutely...no...point.<br><br>
Anyone who is knowledgeable about buying GPUs and motherboards already has a PCI-E board, so there is absolutely...no...point to releasing a GPU for...for all intents and purposes, dead socket.</div>
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Dont you mean dead slot?
 

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I seem to recall something about AGP 8x supporting 4GB/sec transfers, and PCIe 16x supporting 4GB/sec transfers, but in both directions. Also, PCIe is supposed to have marginally higher latencies...or at least, the 1x slots do. Not sure for 16x slots.<br />
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If the bandwidth isn't maxed, then those slightly higher latencies could explain AGP trumping PCIe.
 
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