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[Xbit] AMD “Suspicious” over Nvidia’s Ability to Create x86 Microprocessor

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AMD Does Not Believe in x86 Central Processing Units from Nvidia

As the inventor of the x86 instruction set â€" Intel Corp. â€" remains tight-lipped over Nvidia Corp.’s plans to enter the market of x86 system-on-chip (SoC), Advanced Micro Devices, the world’s second producer of x86 microprocessors, claims that it is virtually impossible to enter the x86 chip market these days.

For a while Nvidia has been claiming that performance and capabilities of central processing units (CPUs) are losing their importance for end-users, whereas the significance of graphics processing units (GPUs) is on the rise. However, Nvidia fully understands that without microprocessors actual devices will not be able to run operating systems and productivity applications and recently the company went on saying that in several years time it may release an SoC featuring x86 processing core.

But there are many obstacles for Nvidia in CPU business: it does not have rights on x86 instruction set and has little, if any, experience in microprocessor design. All in all, AMD, the only third-party x86 microprocessor vendor that survived in competitive fight with Intel, claims that Nvidia does not have many chances in CPU biz.

“I’m a little suspicious of Nvidia’s ability to create an x86 chip from scratch. The intellectual property barriers alone are enormous. It’s not something you switch on like a light switch. And by the way, you have to pay [Intel] for it,†said Dirk Meyer, chief executive officer and president of AMD, in an interview with BusinessWeek web-site.

In order to obtain an x86 license to avoid a legal battle with Intel, the world’s largest chipmaker, Nvidia either have to negotiate with the latter or try to acquire one of the company’s who already have rights to develop and sell x86-compatible chips, face legal action from Intel (since such licenses are not transferable) and then try to persuade the court that it does not infringe Intel’s patents. In addition to x86 license, Nvidia also needs other licenses from both AMD and Intel as well as experience in CPU design, which means that potential CPU development would be a time-consuming and extremely expensive project for Nvidia.

Mr. Meyer claims that Nvidia’s interest in SoCs in general and x86 system-on-chip devices in particular reflects the necessity of putting CPU and GPU cores into the same piece of silicon, a vision that led to the merge between AMD and ATI Technologies back in 2006.

“I’m not surprised by [Nvidia’s interest in x86]. It confirms the idea we had when we bought ATI Technologies a few years ago. I think it's pretty ironic that Jen-Hsun Huang, who's a good friend of mine, was touting the fact that Nvidia was the only independent graphics chip company left as if it were a good thing. In my view it's not a good thing,†said the head of AMD.

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i would be suspicious too...

funny that the CEO of AMD is willing to call jen hsun huang a good friend after what the companies are doing to each other. all is fair in love and war i guess
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funny that the CEO of AMD is willing to call jen hsun huang a good friend after what the companies are doing to each other. all is fair in love and war i guess


Companies and personal relationships are different things
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It's just not going to happen.....
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"I'm a little suspicious of Nvidia's ability to create an x86 chip from scratch. The intellectual property barriers alone are enormous. It's not something you switch on like a light switch. And by the way, you have to pay [Intel] for it," said Dirk Meyer, chief executive officer and president of AMD, in an interview with BusinessWeek web-site.

i'm thinking he was referring to the enormous costs of fabrication(&design),not intel but i guess nvidia would outsource it instead of making a fab...
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i would be suspicious too...

funny that the CEO of AMD is willing to call jen hsun huang a good friend after what the companies are doing to each other. all is fair in love and war i guess


but not to mention AMD was closer to Nvidia same with Intel and ATI before the merger.

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i'm thinking he was referring to the enormous costs of fabrication(&design),not intel but i guess nvidia would outsource it instead of making a fab...

simply let TSMC make the CPU's as their making the GPU's now.
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AMD, the only competitor? What about VIA?
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"I'm a little suspicious of Nvidia's ability to create an x86 chip from scratch. The intellectual property barriers alone are enormous. It's not something you switch on like a light switch. And by the way, you have to pay [Intel] for it," said Dirk Meyer, chief executive officer and president of AMD, in an interview with BusinessWeek web-site.

I took that to mean AMD paying Intel some kind of royalties for using x86. I don't think that is public information though. If so, that's a really good deal for Intel, they make lots of money on their CPUs and money on the CPUs that they don't even make!
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I personally am suspicious that all these buttheads who run all these chip companies haven't long ago been killed by their employees and replaced by brutal destructive androids.
if nvidia comes out with CPUs, EVGA better make some!
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i'm thinking he was referring to the enormous costs of fabrication(&design),not intel but i guess nvidia would outsource it instead of making a fab...

No, he was referring to having to pay Intel for the right to make the cpu's.
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I wouldn't be surprised if nVidia took China's route to create their own x86 compatible chip.
None of China's fabs can manufacture any x86 chips. Even if China somehow stole the trade secrets of x86, they don't have anything as up to date as 45nm, so any CPU Nvidia could make would just perform horribly.
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AMD, the only competitor? What about VIA?

VIA doesn't have even close to enough market share to be consiered "competitive"..... until they put out a netbook
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if nvidia makes a cpu will will have something like phenom 2 720 SSC and it would be 65nm then 2 months later rename it to phenom 3 normall edition
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if nvidia comes out with CPUs, EVGA better make some!


It's out of their league. They could sell mobos for nVidia's CPU socket though.
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Nvidia could steal x86 and call it gtx86 with their naming scheme im sure intel wouldnt even recognize it
ive never been anything BUT suspicious of it... isnt all this just painfully obvious?
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None of China's fabs can manufacture any x86 chips. Even if China somehow stole the trade secrets of x86, they don't have anything as up to date as 45nm, so any CPU Nvidia could make would just perform horribly.

You seem to be so sure about this.
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The problem isn't whether they can make it, but whether they're allowed to make it.
It might sell in China, but it ends there, because NVIDIA couldn't sell it anywhere else without tons of lawsuits heading their way.
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