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As the inventor of the x86 instruction set â€" Intel Corp. â€" remains tight-lipped over Nvidia Corp.’s plans to enter the market of x86 system-on-chip (SoC), Advanced Micro Devices, the world’s second producer of x86 microprocessors, claims that it is virtually impossible to enter the x86 chip market these days.

For a while Nvidia has been claiming that performance and capabilities of central processing units (CPUs) are losing their importance for end-users, whereas the significance of graphics processing units (GPUs) is on the rise. However, Nvidia fully understands that without microprocessors actual devices will not be able to run operating systems and productivity applications and recently the company went on saying that in several years time it may release an SoC featuring x86 processing core.

But there are many obstacles for Nvidia in CPU business: it does not have rights on x86 instruction set and has little, if any, experience in microprocessor design. All in all, AMD, the only third-party x86 microprocessor vendor that survived in competitive fight with Intel, claims that Nvidia does not have many chances in CPU biz.

“I’m a little suspicious of Nvidia’s ability to create an x86 chip from scratch. The intellectual property barriers alone are enormous. It’s not something you switch on like a light switch. And by the way, you have to pay [Intel] for it,†said Dirk Meyer, chief executive officer and president of AMD, in an interview with BusinessWeek web-site.

In order to obtain an x86 license to avoid a legal battle with Intel, the world’s largest chipmaker, Nvidia either have to negotiate with the latter or try to acquire one of the company’s who already have rights to develop and sell x86-compatible chips, face legal action from Intel (since such licenses are not transferable) and then try to persuade the court that it does not infringe Intel’s patents. In addition to x86 license, Nvidia also needs other licenses from both AMD and Intel as well as experience in CPU design, which means that potential CPU development would be a time-consuming and extremely expensive project for Nvidia.

Mr. Meyer claims that Nvidia’s interest in SoCs in general and x86 system-on-chip devices in particular reflects the necessity of putting CPU and GPU cores into the same piece of silicon, a vision that led to the merge between AMD and ATI Technologies back in 2006.

“I’m not surprised by [Nvidia’s interest in x86]. It confirms the idea we had when we bought ATI Technologies a few years ago. I think it's pretty ironic that Jen-Hsun Huang, who's a good friend of mine, was touting the fact that Nvidia was the only independent graphics chip company left as if it were a good thing. In my view it's not a good thing,†said the head of AMD.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...processor.html
 

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There going to need to merge with another company that makes processors. (VIA?)

There going to have to pull an AMD + ATI thing.
 

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There going to need to merge with another company that makes processors. (VIA?)

There going to have to pull an AMD + ATI thing.
They still wouldn't be able to, the license isn't transferable. Which means if they did release a GPU/CPU integrated chip, it would have to be in the other companies name I'm guessing.

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try to acquire one of the company’s who already have rights to develop and sell x86-compatible chips, face legal action from Intel (since such licenses are not transferable)
 

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so merge with VIA and keep the VIA name ROFL
 

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I would think nVidia would go into the market because of their rep of making gpu's.
 

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What if its not a cpu? but a CGPU, then it is an easier boundary to jump.

I think nvidia will give intel a big bj for what they need. or a big boost to intels graphics sector since it doesnt do as good.
 

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Via gtx 295?
lol

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why cant they just buy VIA. rename nvidia to something else, then rename VIA to nvidia. and them merge the companies ?
 

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lol

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why cant they just buy VIA. rename nvidia to something else, then rename VIA to nvidia. and them merge the companies ?


That would be a hell of a purchase.. not completely impossible though.

VIA Market Cap: 19.11B
NVIDIA Market Cap: 5.26B

(for reference)
Intel Market Cap: 81.76B
AMD Market Cap: 1.53B
ATI (pre-merge w/ AMD): 3.83B
 

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If Via has the license from Intel... and they buy Via then it is ok. I don't think it works that way with mergers. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Anyway Nvidia can do this is they have the funds, but considering they are losing money on most of their current desktop cards I don't know. Also, considering the economy. The only way around this would be to get right on 40nm technology for cheap fabs if they are able to get the funds for the license.
 

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That would be a hell of a purchase.. not completely impossible though.

VIA Market Cap: 19.11B
NVIDIA Market Cap: 5.26B

(for reference)
Intel Market Cap: 81.76B
AMD Market Cap: 1.53B
ATI (pre-merge w/ AMD): 3.83B

***FFFFFFFFFFFFF
I never knew VIA's market cap was that big, should be the other way around. VIA should bu nvidia lol

and holy ****, amd is tiny :/
 

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SoC is good for all the small portable devices, or for video in home theater devices.

But for PC gamers it will never catch up because it's too rigid imo. It doesn't offer the flexibility PC gamers want when customizing & balancing their rigs for their specific needs. Some need a extra strong CPU w/ a milder GPU because they do a lot of CPU intensive work. Some need a mild CPU & a extra strong GPU because they will OC their CPU enough to compensate & the GPU is the most important cause they want max graphics.

SoC just cant accommodate that.
 

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***FFFFFFFFFFFFF
I never knew VIA's market cap was that big, should be the other way around. VIA should bu nvidia lol

and holy ****, amd is tiny :/

You'd be surprised how many hand held devices and netbooks run VIA, of course amongst many other things.

I really don't see any other way for NV to get x86 unless they did buy out someone or something. Could they maybe talk to IBM and buy the Cyrix brand to get x86 license? That would be interesting. How longs it been since you heard that name lol.
 

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OK dear Nvidia,
Since hiring graphic artists is expensive as hell i do it for free
(But only for this time)



actually looks really good
 
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