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[Xbit] Nvidia’s First Microprocessor: HyperTransport, SOI and When It Makes Sense

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Nvidia’s Central Processing Unit Might Be Well in Development

Rumours about Nvidia Corp.’s possible entering the market of central processing units (CPUs) have been circulating since the year 2000, well before unified shader architecture or computing shaders, but the company has never confirmed such plans. But now that the intentions have been reaffirmed, it looks like Nvidia has been working on a microprocessor, or, at least, related technologies for quite some time now.

Graphics processing units (GPUs) and central processing units used to have almost nothing in common a decade ago, but huge advances in the graphics chip design as well as the evolution of CPUs have greatly moved both towards each other: GPUs are now much more programmable than back in the days, whereas microprocessors now feature many cores, built-in memory controllers and will soon even gain graphics engines. So, the same way that consumer electronics is converging with personal computer, CPUs are converging with GPUs.

Nvidia completely understands that convergence and has been preparing to enter the market of microprocessors as well as other chips for many years.

Firstly, Nvidia joined HyperTransport Consortium at the time when the technology was called Lighting Data Transport and was primarily known as a universal bus for next-generation CPUs by Advanced Micro Devices. This allowed Nvidia to get a bus for potential microprocessors as well as other chips and also let the company to enter the market of chipsets, first with AMD- and then with Intel-compatible core-logic.

Secondly, Nvidia entered Silicon-on-Insulator process technology consortium. While the technology can be used to produce various components and chips, it is primarily used to make complex leading-edge microprocessors based on x86, ARM or Power architectures.

Thirdly, back in January ’09 Nvidia replaced its chief scientist David Kirk with William Dally, who is known for his expertise in parallel computing technologies as well as work on Cell/Larrabee-like microprocessors. Some even claim that Nvidia has been hiring microprocessor specialists from Stexar for several years now, hence, the appointment of Mr. Dally may be just a part of wider CPU-related hiring program.

Now that the company presumably has microprocessor design specialists, the rights to use HyperTransport bus and some degree of expertise in SOI process technology, it seems clearly that Nvidia is working on CPUs or complex system-on-chip devices with a microprocessing unit inside. The question is when the company plans to release something that will compete against AMD and Intel. The answer to the question is simple: once AMD and Intel completely conquer the market of platforms by integrating crucial system components into their microprocessors there will be no place for Nvidia. Once this happens, it will make sense for the latter to begin promoting its own platforms with own CPUs or SoCs. It is very likely to happen rather sooner than later...
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Hmm... Hypertransport and SOI eh? It would be nice to see more competition in the CPU market, but I highly doubt Intel will grant a x86 license to Nvidia.
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Sounds good, but I'm weary of their ability to get an x86 license.
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Hmm... Hypertransport and SOI eh? It would be nice to see more competition in the CPU market, but I highly doubt Intel will grant a x86 license to Nvidia.

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Sounds good, but I'm weary of their ability to get an x86 license.
Yeah, I think it's very unlikely Intel will grant them a license for ANY amount of money or IP.
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Differrent source and has new info on Hypertransport and SOI.
I don't know, I think nvidia has the opportunity to produce something great And if that great turns out to be terrible, then they will find themselves between a rock and a hard place, having invested lots of money in something that was doomed to fail. If anything, it might drop the prices of cpus from AMD and intel, which is always welcome.
I wonder if Nvidia knew this whole AMD Intel cross-license issue was coming? I wonder if Intel wins that issue if they will grant Nvidia an x86 license just to be rid of AMD without having to answer to monopoly charges?
Nvidia seems to be the kind of company to develop now, but worry about lawsuits later, so we'll see how this turns out.
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Nvidia seems to be the kind of company to develop now, but worry about lawsuits later, so we'll see how this turns out.
Not the smartest strategy since it costs tens to hundred of millions to develop a x86 processor.

Does anyone know how Transmeta got around the x86 license issue?
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Huh? license? You need one to make processors? And Intel owns it? That's the stupidest thing I've heard this month.
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Huh? license? You need one to make processors? And Intel owns it? That's the stupidest thing I've heard this month.
You need a license for x86... where have you been for the last 30 years?
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You need a license for x86... where have you been for the last 30 years?

Under a rock. Where can I find more info?
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I for one would like Nvidia to get a X86 license. We need more options to choose from when selecting a CPU. That is why I am glad Intel is getting into the GPU market. More competition = better prices for all of us.
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Under a rock. Where can I find more info?

It's a pretty complicated story....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._manufacturers
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It's a pretty complicated story....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._manufacturers

So AMD came out of the battle alive and VIA came out severly wounded?
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So AMD came out of the battle alive and VIA came out severly wounded?

AMD came out ahead since they developed x86-64 and their K8 did so well. VIA has always been struggling along and capturing the niche market.
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Yeah the whole x86 liscence issue has been messed up for years now. Seems there could be a better way to do it.... but what that is I dont know.
Don't patents expire? It'll be very interesting to see what would happen to the CPU market if a license isn't required.
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Don't patents expire? It'll be very interesting to see what would happen to the CPU market if a license isn't required.

It wouldn't change that much..... the barrier of entry is quite high. It takes millions to develop a x86 processor or emulator.
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Not the smartest strategy since it costs tens to hundred of millions to develop a x86 processor.

Does anyone know how Transmeta got around the x86 license issue?
They sued Intel for patent infringment

Hackinthebox or

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On October 11, 2006, Transmeta announced that they had filed a lawsuit against Intel Corporation for infringement of ten Transmeta U.S. patents covering computer architecture and power efficiency technologies.
The complaint charged that Intel had infringed and was infringing Transmeta's patents by making and selling a variety of microprocessor products, including at least Intel's Pentium III, Pentium 4, Pentium M, Core and Core 2 product line.
On October 24, 2007, Transmeta announced an agreement to settle its lawsuit against Intel Corporation. Intel agreed to pay $150 million upfront and $20 million per year for five years to Transmeta in addition to dropping its counter-claims against Transmeta. Transmeta also agreed to license several of its patents and assign a small portfolio of patents to Intel as part of the deal.[1
from Wikipedia
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