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At a $500 price point its not competiting against the Ti. Its compettion is against the 980...and its beating it soundly. At 4k though, its comparable to the Ti and the consumer gets to keep about $120.

At $500 it is competing with a 980 in which it loses half of the time @ 1440p and most of the time @ 1080p:



@ 4K it is irrelevant because nobody plays 4K with a single card since it is impossible, and Crossfire is broken the majority of the time therefore even when they get better scaling than SLI it is nullified by the fact that there are numerous games where Crossfire doesn't work at all (or the gaming experience itself is plagued by stuttering, hitching, and frame drops). It is not comparable to a 980 Ti and I specified my sound reasoning why earlier on this thread. Saying it is comparable to a Ti is like saying Strip steak is comparable to a Wagyu filet.

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you're the one joking. the chart you posted shows the stock Fury being right behind the 980ti relative to the massively factory overclocked Zotac model (79%/82%) and way ahead of the GTX 980 (66%) at 4K. then you post a chart from a 4+ year old game that ran better on nvidia cards since launch, at a lower resolution no less. the Sapphire nitro Fury is some 5% faster than the one in this chart out of the box, so if indeed you get the highest clocked 980ti on air from the factory, oc some more (YMMV), you'll have a card 30% faster than this Sapphire Fury at 4K for only 30% more cost. sounds perfect. the Fury blows the 980 away at 4K and matches a stock 980ti. that's what you call a bad value?

Nobody is buying a stock 980 Ti anymore, so it is a useless comparison. Most non-reference 980 Ti's are factory overclocked and even ones that aren't overclocked as high as a Zotac model are still a good 13% faster than a Fury X so you can imagine how much faster it is compared to a Fury, not including after overclocked and only including factory overclocks (since most 980 Ti's can hit 1450 pretty easily). At 4K results are meaningless because nobody plays games @ 4K with a single card, as mentioned above Crossfire is completely broken compared to SLI so what is better the fact that you have games that get better scaling and some games you get no scaling at all or that majority of the games work with SLI just fine at acceptable scaling rates. Saying the Fury blows the 980 away at 4K is funny because you will undoubtedly need two to have a practical gaming experience; yet Crossfire barely works in the majority of titles. Not to mention the awful frametimes Crossfire still gets and stuttering compared to SLI. HardOCP has extensively tested this out and has concluded that Crossfire Fury and Fury X has the potential to be the better buy @ 4K, but falls short in the end because of the many issues stated before.
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I enjoyed this talk about everything else beside the point I made. biggrin.gif

oh, and I wouldn't pretend to know what "nobody" buys. my 980ti is a reference board with stock clocks (though it hits 1520/8000mhz without touching voltage). the 980 I had before getting the 980ti didn't come near the 980ti at any resolution overclocked or not, and my brother's Fury Tri X does at 4K just like I said. always a pleasure BiG StoOnZ. thumb.gif
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At $500 it is competing with a 980 in which it loses half of the time @ 1440p and most of the time @ 1080p: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

@ 4K it is irrelevant because nobody plays 4K with a single card since it is impossible, and Crossfire is broken the majority of the time therefore even when they get better scaling than SLI it is nullified by the fact that there are numerous games where Crossfire doesn't work at all (or the gaming experience itself is plagued by stuttering, hitching, and frame drops). It is not comparable to a 980 Ti and I specified my sound reasoning why earlier on this thread. Saying it is comparable to a Ti is like saying Strip steak is comparable to a Wagyu filet.
Nobody is buying a stock 980 Ti anymore, so it is a useless comparison. Most non-reference 980 Ti's are factory overclocked and even ones that aren't overclocked as high as a Zotac model are still a good 13% faster than a Fury X so you can imagine how much faster it is compared to a Fury, not including after overclocked and only including factory overclocks (since most 980 Ti's can hit 1450 pretty easily). At 4K results are meaningless because nobody plays games @ 4K with a single card, as mentioned above Crossfire is completely broken compared to SLI so what is better the fact that you have games that get better scaling and some games you get no scaling at all or that majority of the games work with SLI just fine at acceptable scaling rates. Saying the Fury blows the 980 away at 4K is funny because you will undoubtedly need two to have a practical gaming experience; yet Crossfire barely works in the majority of titles. Not to mention the awful frametimes Crossfire still gets and stuttering compared to SLI. HardOCP has extensively tested this out and has concluded that Crossfire Fury and Fury X has the potential to be the better buy @ 4K, but falls short in the end because of the many issues stated before.

Based on that statement, you didnt even view your own posted vid. Comparing the factory oc'd versions, they are basically the same at all res. Even though this thread is concerning the Nitro, which is slightly oc'd over the trix version so I would expect even more frames. Regard the relevancy of 4k, why would the writers post such scores if gamers didnt want to see the numbers? I'm sure there a more than a few members with such setups. I'm one of them.
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Based on that statement, you didnt even view your own posted vid. Comparing the factory oc'd versions, they are basically the same at all res. Even though this thread is concerning the Nitro, which is slightly oc'd over the trix version so I would expect even more frames. Regard the relevancy of 4k, why would the writers post such scores if gamers didnt want to see the numbers? I'm sure there a more than a few members with such setups. I'm one of them.

often to refute a completely benign point, a person may resort to grasping at straws, wild generalizations and the staple technique of moving the goalposts to make a counterpoint. it happens man.
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I enjoyed this talk about everything else beside the point I made. biggrin.gif

oh, and I wouldn't pretend to know what "nobody" buys. my 980ti is a reference board with stock clocks (though it hits 1520/8000mhz without touching voltage). the 980 I had before getting the 980ti didn't come near the 980ti at any resolution overclocked or not, and my brother's Fury Tri X does at 4K just like I said. always a pleasure BiG StoOnZ. thumb.gif

And you are not indicative of the majority interested in purchasing a 980 Ti currently. Majority is looking at non-reference versions today, because they have a better overall value than a reference card. Even you admitted that yours hits 1520MHz, which is way beyond what even a Fury or Fury X can come close to performance wise even after overclocked with unlocked voltage. The fact that you choose to leave it at stock, is rather illogical, however, not what most gamers will do who are looking to squeeze out every ounce of performance with their hardware.
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Based on that statement, you didnt even view your own posted vid. Comparing the factory oc'd versions, they are basically the same at all res. Even though this thread is concerning the Nitro, which is slightly oc'd over the trix version so I would expect even more frames. Regard the relevancy of 4k, why would the writers post such scores if gamers didnt want to see the numbers? I'm sure there a more than a few members with such setups. I'm one of them.

I watched that video more than one time, so clearly you need to re-watch the video to see the numbers again as the charts aren't very easily understandable (looking at the Overclocked results). Because 4K is an up-and-coming resolution, so giving people an idea of what they can achieve with single card is fathomable, just because the framerates aren't satisfactory as a single card doesn't mean people can't grasp the idea that they would need two to achieve acceptable framerates after viewing single single card results.
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often to refute a completely benign point, a person may resort to grasping at straws, wild generalizations and the staple technique of moving the goalposts to make a counterpoint. it happens man.

Yeah moving goalposts is now the new excuse for using logical reasoning when discussing particulars...
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 2/4/16 at 1:57am
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Lots of people run 4k on single card, you just have to not use some features.

1500mhz isnt that much of an overclock for a 980Ti when you take into account the "custom" ones are running up to and over 1300mhz under "stock" boost anyways.
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Lots of people run 4k on single card, you just have to not use some features.

1500mhz isnt that much of an overclock for a 980Ti when you take into account the "custom" ones are running up to and over 1300mhz under "stock" boost anyways.

Yeah, maxwell does overclock well, but it as often overstated while AMD overclocking is told to be non-existent. Looked up two 970 reviews at TPU and they got 15% and 17% improvements when OCed to max. while the 390 nitro had around 13% improvement from overclocking. But since 970 boosts to 1500Mhz while 390 barely cracks 1200Mhz, 390 can't overclock while 970 can overclock to the moon. teaching.gif

This review shows nice improvement for Fiji, in many games it's besting 980 by 20% or more at 1440p and sticking quite close to 980Ti. GTA V is an exception but shows same 20% gap at 4k at quite playable 50fps. As games gets more graphically demanding the 4k performance difference, which sometimes breaches 30%, would trickle down to 1440p.
    
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So custom Fury @ 1050 MHz barely beats Reference GTX 980 in many of the games at 1080p and 1440p, I don't see the point in looking at the "4K" results. It will take several GPU's to deliver a good experience at this resolution.

GPU tops out at 1135 MHz, would love to see it compared to a custom 980 non-Ti at ~1500 MHz. Not saying it's a bad card, but it's nowhere near a custom 980 Ti.

Custom 980 Ti - out of the box - is 20% faster than the reference card, and easily overclocks more, resulting in an additional 10-20% depending on card.
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So custom Fury @ 1050 MHz barely beats Reference GTX 980 in many of the games at 1080p and 1440p, I don't see the point in looking at the "4K" results. It will take several GPU's to deliver a good experience at this resolution.

GPU tops out at 1135 MHz, would love to see it compared to a custom 980 non-Ti at ~1500 MHz. Not saying it's a bad card, but it's nowhere near a custom 980 Ti.

Custom 980 Ti - out of the box - is 20% faster than the reference card, and easily overclocks more, resulting in an additional 10-20% depending on card.
Acknowledging an AMD win is harder than pulling hen's teeth for some people.
The Fury Nitro beats the 980 by a fair margin while being priced on par or cheaper, and the 980Ti clocks in at a $100 premium to the Fury, so performing acrobatics and circumlocutions to show that it is a superior card, which nobody is denying, is a pointless argument.
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Acknowledging an AMD win is harder than pulling hen's teeth for some people.
The Fury Nitro beats the 980 by a fair margin while being priced on par or cheaper, and the 980Ti clocks in at a $100 premium to the Fury, so performing acrobatics and circumlocutions to show that it is a superior card, which nobody is denying, is a pointless argument.

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