Betting it'll be a cruddy TN, with a gamer gear tax

 

Sounds like a strobing monitor with all the reference to CRT still being better and"Today we are proud to announce the new XL2735 with smoother gameplay experience that can’t be found on other monitors in the same class." as good strobing isn't a feature on any of the current 1440p 27". Could also just be a strobing 240hz 1080p 27" as AUO are bringing panels out on that.

 

Certainly looks like a tn, like a bad tn even, lol. But they could have had fps mode on or something or camera being at an angle ect..
http://cybersport.pl/57627/vital-i-xl2735-dreamhack-testuje-nowe-produkty-zowie/

"On the stand Zowie at DreamHack Summer 2016 is also used for completely new monitors - XL2735. 27-inch device is not went yet to sell, and already gaining further fans. Monitor offers a response time of 1 ms at a frequency of 144 Hz refresh rate. The fact that it has already offered many other gaming - and not only - monitors, but this one stands out from the background. We checked on your own skin.

Side by side erected two monitors - one brand BenQ, which appeared on the market about a year ago and the second - Zowie XL2735. Two people began with a comparable speed to move the mouse on the same map in CS: GO. For older model image definitely blurring, ghosting was particularly noticeable in the faster movements. At XL2735 anything like it was - the picture was very fluid. How was this achieved? Thanks to technology, Dynamic Accuracy, which has developed what is called."

 

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Certainly looks like a tn, like a bad tn even, lol. But they could have had fps mode on or something or camera being at an angle ect..
http://cybersport.pl/57627/vital-i-xl2735-dreamhack-testuje-nowe-produkty-zowie/

"On the stand Zowie at DreamHack Summer 2016 is also used for completely new monitors - XL2735. 27-inch device is not went yet to sell, and already gaining further fans. Monitor offers a response time of 1 ms at a frequency of 144 Hz refresh rate. The fact that it has already offered many other gaming - and not only - monitors, but this one stands out from the background. We checked on your own skin.

Side by side erected two monitors - one brand BenQ, which appeared on the market about a year ago and the second - Zowie XL2735. Two people began with a comparable speed to move the mouse on the same map in CS: GO. For older model image definitely blurring, ghosting was particularly noticeable in the faster movements. At XL2735 anything like it was - the picture was very fluid. How was this achieved? Thanks to technology, Dynamic Accuracy, which has developed what is called."

thanks! Finally some pictures of this Monitor and with 1ms being mentioned it is indeed going to be a tn paneler - sigh.

 

http://zowie.benq.com/monitors/xl2735

I found this.

 

meh, so just a refresh with a fancy new technique.

 

Just found a comparison video, showing the "new" feature of the 2735 called "Dynamic Accuracy":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw_CVCyNCHk

imo what you can see in the video is complete BS. A normal 2730 doesnt have so much ghosting as seen in the video, especially at 280fps as can be seen in the video.

The example in the video looks like they completely disabled overdrive on the 2730 (AMA off) and on the XL2735Z overdrive is enabled (AMA high) and ON TOP of that, the BenQ Blur Reduction is also enabled (BBR), which in that case would literally be a completely imbecile example to start with.

What I think this "new feature" Dynamic Accuracy really is- its a slightly improved BBR (BenQ Blur Reduction) with slightly less crosstalk and Ghosting and whatnot. Its most likely really nothing to drive home about.

The XL2735Z is hardly a "real" upgrade to the 2730. It still has 144hz, so they didnt even bother to overclock the panel to 165hz, which even the DP1.2 standard actually supports, like the recent Gsync IPS 1440p monitors have it. Despite the argument if the difference is actually noticable (144->165), if its technically possible, I think they should include this for ppl to have a choice. Id gladly use 165hz over 144hz if my XL2730Z supported it without any downsides like the PG279Q which has poorly implemented 165hz, with response times beeing worse than @144hz.

Anyways, looks like BenQ is actually lacking behind Asus and Acer in terms of new gaming monitors. It still doesnt have a 144hz(165hz) IPS monitor afaik and, still no slim bezel design, nothing new in the 2735. Looks like Asus and Acer will split the gaming monitor market between them for the most part, plus a small share for AOC here and there. BenQ is basically AFKing in the last 2 years.

 

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Originally Posted by Stars

Just found a comparison video, showing the "new" feature of the 2735 called "Dynamic Accuracy":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw_CVCyNCHk

That link is in the product page.
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Anyways, looks like BenQ is actually lacking behind Asus and Acer

BenQ is a pretty good quality brand. Considering they've always invested heavily in the gaming segment, if they don't have a model analogous to the PG279Q out, it's because it either doesn't make sense financially or they don't want to deal with the QC issues.

 

Maybe its the case as far as 144hz IPS monitors, but still, the 2735 so far doesnt look like it justifies having a new model. The actual changes are barely existent from what I can see so far. But I will wait for actual reviews for my final impressions of it.

Again, whats disappointing is that they didnt include overclocking to 165Hz and didnt minimize the bezel, compared to Dell f. e., the BenQ does look quite bulky with its bezel. PLus the video is highly misleading imo judging by what I see on my 2730.

At least I hope theyve improved the AG coating, since I think its the biggest downside of the 2730 so far.

 

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BenQ is a pretty good quality brand. Considering they've always invested heavily in the gaming segment, if they don't have a model analogous to the PG279Q out, it's because it either doesn't make sense financially or they don't want to deal with the QC issues.

This monitor could also be just a excuse to get out a monitor with zowie branding. Zowie and generally the benq gaming monitors in general generally have always targeted hardcore fps gamers - no need for IPS and the increased ghosting of it would lead to worse quality with strobingwhich is likely what the DynAc is.

 

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Originally Posted by Stars

Maybe its the case as far as 144hz IPS monitors, but still, the 2735 so far doesnt look like it justifies having a new model. The actual changes are barely existent from what I can see so far. But I will wait for actual reviews for my final impressions of it.

Again, whats disappointing is that they didnt include overclocking to 165Hz and didnt minimize the bezel, compared to Dell f. e., the BenQ does look quite bulky with its bezel. PLus the video is highly misleading imo judging by what I see on my 2730.

At least I hope theyve improved the AG coating, since I think its the biggest downside of the 2730 so far.

Maybe they improved response times further (without resorting to as much overvoltage, overshoot present in the video notwithstanding.

Improving the coating, like you said, would also be a step in the right direction.
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This monitor could also be just a excuse to get out a monitor with zowie branding. Zowie and generally the benq gaming monitors in general generally have always targeted hardcore fps gamers - no need for IPS and the increased ghosting of it would lead to worse quality with strobingwhich is likely what the DynAc is.

Probably.

 

I think people are missing the point that this may be the first monitor to strobe the backlight at higher than 120 Hz refresh. If it's 144 Hz strobing and can maintain good brightness, it would be quite the success. I'll be buying one just to try out with Battlefield 1.

BenQ makes good products too. They tweeted September release date.

 

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I think people are missing the point that this may be the first monitor to strobe the backlight at higher than 120 Hz refresh. If it's 144 Hz strobing and can maintain good brightness, it would be quite the success. I'll be buying one just to try out with Battlefield 1.

BenQ makes good products too. They tweeted September release date.

The XL2730Z and I believe several other BenQ models support strobing at up to 144 Hz, as does the Eizo Foris FS2735.

 

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The XL2730Z and I believe several other BenQ models support strobing at up to 144 Hz, as does the Eizo Foris FS2735.

I had a XL2730Z but don't remember 144 Hz strobing. My memory is quite bad though. I am just curious what they have done to the strobing on the 2735Z to supposedly make it much better...

The Foris FS2735 looks quite interesting as a IPS 1440P model that can strobe at 144 Hz. I may have to look into it.

 

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I had a XL2730Z but don't remember 144 Hz strobing. My memory is quite bad though. I am just curious what they have done to the strobing on the 2735Z to supposedly make it much better...

The Foris FS2735 looks quite interesting as a IPS 1440P model that can strobe at 144 Hz. I may have to look into it.

It does have blur reduction at 144hz but there was just way too much crosstalk, no different from blur reduction at 120hz. Maybe the 2735Z improves on this?

 

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Betting it'll be a cruddy TN, with a gamer gear tax

You say this like if good TNs aren't able to match the best Gaming IPS panels regarding image quality minus the viewing angles and the plague of issues like IPS glow and backlight bleed.
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Originally Posted by CallsignVega

I had a XL2730Z but don't remember 144 Hz strobing. My memory is quite bad though. I am just curious what they have done to the strobing on the 2735Z to supposedly make it much better...

The Foris FS2735 looks quite interesting as a IPS 1440P model that can strobe at 144 Hz. I may have to look into it.

I upgraded from an Acer XF270HU to the BenQ XL2730Z I'm using now and it does have 144Hz strobing.

 

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You say this like if good TNs aren't able to match the best Gaming IPS panels regarding image quality minus the viewing angles and the plague of issues like IPS glow and backlight bleed.
I upgraded from an Acer XF270HU to the BenQ XL2730Z I'm using now and it does have 144Hz strobing.

That's because they can't match the best gaming IPS panels in image quality. They always fall short on contrast values usually 800-900:1 vs the IPS that get 1100:1 or higher. They also tend to have thicker AG coatings which isn't a fault of TN but that too degrades picture quality. Lastly, even if the TN can cover the same 100% sRGB color space as picked up by the colorimeter it doesn't matter because your eyes aren't a colorimeter. You're viewing the entire panel and as slight as it may be there is already a degradation of accuracy because of the viewing angles shifts. This problem becomes more apparent the larger the monitor is.

Now that may seem nit picky, but they're just facts. TNs still have a place in this world as they're the fastest LCDs around and don't suffer from IPS glow, but they sacrifice overall image quality to achieve that. The day OLED gaming monitors become a thing is the day TN days, hell all LCDs die that day

 

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That's because they can't match the best gaming IPS panels in image quality. They always fall short on contrast values usually 800-900:1 vs the IPS that get 1100:1 or higher. They also tend to have thicker AG coatings which isn't a fault of TN but that too degrades picture quality. Lastly, even if the TN can cover the same 100% sRGB color space as picked up by the colorimeter it doesn't matter because your eyes aren't a colorimeter. You're viewing the entire panel and as slight as it may be there is already a degradation of accuracy because of the viewing angles shifts. This problem becomes more apparent the larger the monitor is.

Now that may seem nit picky, but they're just facts. TNs still have a place in this world as they're the fastest LCDs around and don't suffer from IPS glow, but they sacrifice overall image quality to achieve that. The day OLED gaming monitors become a thing is the day TN days, hell all LCDs die that day

Colorimeters are like eyes, but precise and without placebo effects.

The BenQ XL2730Z have good viewing angles compared to other TNs from side to side, upper and bottom angles are bad though.

You could be watching the screen directly putting your front on the right or left bezel and there would be little to no gamma shift at all, can't say the same from top and bottom bezel but I don't think anyone is going to ever view their monitors like that.

Besides this is LCD were talking about, 900 contrast vs 1050 or so makes little to no difference, not like 400,000:1 to infinite from OLED.

I had an IPS XF270HU which uses the same panel than the XB270HU and despite having the best viewing angles it made me realize how much better things are when pixel response times are actually fast enough to considerably reduce blur, making the screen more clear when in motion with little to no overshoot, that for me blows away that 150:1 contrast difference any day.

But that's just me, can't wait for OLED HDR 4K 21:9 165Hz Freesync/Gsync

 

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Originally Posted by Malinkadink

That's because they can't match the best gaming IPS panels in image quality. They always fall short on contrast values usually 800-900:1 vs the IPS that get 1100:1 or higher. They also tend to have thicker AG coatings which isn't a fault of TN but that too degrades picture quality. Lastly, even if the TN can cover the same 100% sRGB color space as picked up by the colorimeter it doesn't matter because your eyes aren't a colorimeter. You're viewing the entire panel and as slight as it may be there is already a degradation of accuracy because of the viewing angles shifts. This problem becomes more apparent the larger the monitor is.

Now that may seem nit picky, but they're just facts. TNs still have a place in this world as they're the fastest LCDs around and don't suffer from IPS glow, but they sacrifice overall image quality to achieve that. The day OLED gaming monitors become a thing is the day TN days, hell all LCDs die that day

Colorimeters are like eyes, but precise and without placebo effects.

The BenQ XL2730Z have good viewing angles compared to other TNs from side to side, upper and bottom angles are bad though.

You could be watching the screen directly putting your front on the right or left bezel and there would be little to no gamma shift at all, can't say the same from top and bottom bezel but I don't think anyone is going to ever view their monitors like that.

Besides this is LCD were talking about, 900 contrast vs 1050 or so makes little to no difference, not like 400,000:1 to infinite from OLED.

I had an IPS XF270HU which uses the same panel than the XB270HU and despite having the best viewing angles it made me realize how much better things are when pixel response times are actually fast enough to considerably reduce blur, making the screen more clear when in motion with little to no overshoot, that for me blows away that 150:1 contrast difference any day.

But that's just me, can't wait for OLED HDR 4K 21:9 165Hz Freesync/Gsync

He's not wrong, you know? People complain about IPS glow, but the fact is that TN has "IPS glow" for all colors, basically. It's hard to say no to IPS for bright content. At the same time, it's hard to say no to TN motion clarity at 144 Hz, as well. It's pointless, as it has ever been, to say which of the LCD panel types is the best, as there isn't one.

Let us relish the fact that they're marketing HDR VA TV's much more aggressively than HDR OLED, as that will, indubitably, bring down the price of the better technology, as it happened with plasma a decade ago.

 

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At the same time, it's hard to say no to TN motion clarity at 144 Hz, as well.

I think I'd rather say it's hard to say no to TN motion clarity below 120 Hz. At 120-144 Hz these AHVA panels have so little motion blur, but below 120 Hz TN has a definitive advantage while IPS becomes blurry.

 

I honestly don't know what to think.
Reading this just makes me want to cut myself.

Seriously Benq should SEND me and Masterotaku prototype units so we can debug test them and give them our full feedback about the strobing, so they can get something we both agree on before release.

Seems like this is just some sort of ultra game mode where you:
1) enable blur reduction
2) enable some random unknown level of AMA.
3) possibly have AMA and dynamic vibrance/black equalizer functioning dynamically and changing depending on frame data

Package the three together, call it Dynamic Accuracy, fix a few extra bugs and don't document the fixes (100hz strobing on XL2730Z, anyone??), and call it a brand new monitor!



NOW, IF BENQ TRUSTED THE GUY WHO FOUND ALL THEIR BENEFICIAL BUGS IN THE XL2720Z (and older series) firmwares, as well as Masterotaku who found all the original stuff...

as per here in my sticky thread:
http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2467

Here is what *I* would do in MY XL2735Z:
1) integrate reduced blanking timings directly into a monitor setting to have the scalar handle it--reduces strobe crosstalk (the blending of two adjacent frames into one frame) at the expense of possible scanlines and some degradation. User may disable this to prevent any image degradation but crosstalk will then be high at 120hz and 144hz.

2) allow single strobe blur reduction in 1 or 2 hz increments starting at 60hz and going up to 144hz. 85hz included. 91hz included for call of duty FPS caps.

3) Fix the 76hz Vertical Total range issue from the XL Z series.

4) Improve the crappy AMA settings and give us far more to choose from, at ALL times. We shouldn't have to exploit profile switch firmware bugs to make XL2720Z's AMA perfectly calibrated while users who don't know about these bugs have to suffer from black/dark purple afterimages like no tomorrow, especially when blur reduction is disabled.

5) freesync compatible.

6) Blur reduction and freesync can be used at the same time at your own risk. Extreme flicker may occur at lower framerates. Bug reports regarding sync issues and pulsating backlights will NOT be accepted as this is unsupported.

7) Alternative model of this monitor with the same blur reduction improved capabilities but with a Gsync module. Gsync and blur reduction can NOT be used at the same time and requires the monitor to switch modes to an internal scalar to handle reduced vertical blanking.

8) fix the 50hz Single Strobe bug from the pre-XL2730Z Z series monitors.

9) 1440p as XL2730Z

10) Strobe Phase and Strobe Duty changeable as always ("Area" and "Intensity").

SERIOUSLY MAKE THIS MONITOR AND YOU CAN: