I personally wouldn't mind it... Since I have finally gotten internet where I live I have returned to playing a lot of my games on PC but I still love to play some games in my console. Just like buying the new video card every two~three years seem to be the deal in the pc community, why not buying an upgraded (as long as the upgrade is actually notable) console?

 

I don't see this actually happening. It would cause confusion in the market and anger "early adopters". It wouldn't be worth their R&D. Instead of doing that just pump out a PS5 sooner, maybe 2017.

 

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I personally wouldn't mind it... Since I have finally gotten internet where I live I have returned to playing a lot of my games on PC but I still love to play some games in my console. Just like buying the new video card every two~three years seem to be the deal in the pc community, why not buying an upgraded (as long as the upgrade is actually notable) console?

Most logical thought is they will gimp the performance of the console out the door and then sell you the gimped performance back a few years later at no extra cost to them. Would be a beautiful plan against a otherwise uninformed group on hardware.

 

That would be hilarious as that's one of the last things the consoles have, a long lifetime expectancy. It honestly would be like pre built dumbed down pc's if they start upgrading them every few years.

 

Pandora's box

 

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Most logical thought is they will gimp the performance of the console out the door and then sell you the gimped performance back a few years later at no extra cost to them. Would be a beautiful plan against a otherwise uninformed group on hardware.

Competition would prevent something like that. Besides everyone would figure out the hardware and see the cost and rip the company for doing that. You lose MUCH MUCH more than you gain because the consumer is informed by the internet.

 

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That would be hilarious as that's one of the last things the consoles have, a long lifetime expectancy. It honestly would be like pre built dumbed down pc's if they start upgrading them every few years.

2 different version idea could be an interesting approach.

Imagine PS5 is launched alongside with PS5v2..

They all have the same life cycle but one would focus on 4k 30fps and the other focus on 4k 60fps along with VR. Or one to focus on 1080p 60fps and the other to focus on 4k 60 fps.

It MIGHT happen. Every single game to be released for PS5 will release on both platforms. Not a single exception. Both consoles have the same infrastructure etc... Only difference is performance.

developers might not like the idea at all though. Or maybe they might.

 

Yeah 0% chance of this happening. It would destroy one of the biggest advantages consoles have over PCs.

 

It will be called playstation 5

 

Profit wise, it could be the smartest thing Sony could do.
Charge huge premium for a faster PS4.

But there are just too many obstacles to make it happen.
They might need to do a redesign of the console itself to allow hotter hardware.
They might need to make a new PSU to ensure the hardware gets the power it need
They need to make changes to games so that they allow changes of graphics details and resolutions because there are games where PS4 hit 60FPS on 1080p as it is today
Most importantly, they need to work with AMD to redesign a new APU. There isnt a GPU inside the PS4. Its an APU, with a CPU and GPU part. Will it be possible to make a bigger silicon with bigger GPU? If it is, it will take extensive work to design one I think

 

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It will be called playstation 5

Yup. I think the PS5 will be released sooner rather than later. Maybe 2018 or so.

 

It would have to be well worth it for Sony to do an upgradeable console at this moment. You also have to consider the lifespan of the console. Not sure I would want to upgrade if my console was already 5 years old.

pros:

cheaper to upgrade to the next generation
keep player base from previous generation
draw more developers due to the size of the player base

cons:

game compatibility among different console version
shipping logistics to deal with upgrading
r&d expense
may upset current player base

 

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Profit wise, it could be the smartest thing Sony could do.
Charge huge premium for a faster PS4.

But there are just too many obstacles to make it happen.
They might need to do a redesign of the console itself to allow hotter hardware.
They might need to make a new PSU to ensure the hardware gets the power it need
They need to make changes to games so that they allow changes of graphics details and resolutions because there are games where PS4 hit 60FPS on 1080p as it is today
Most importantly, they need to work with AMD to redesign a new APU. There isnt a GPU inside the PS4. Its an APU, with a CPU and GPU part. Will it be possible to make a bigger silicon with bigger GPU? If it is, it will take extensive work to design one I think

Can I go with "nope" on all parts? Except the last point, that one is only half a nope.

Redesigning the console to allow hotter hardware and getting a bigger PSU to power it are more or less the same points. Semiconductors are nearly 100% efficient when it comes to converting electrical energy into heat. And neither of those are really concerns. A GTX 480, released on the 40nm process back in 2010, runs at well over 200W. A few years later in 2014, Nvidia released the GTX 750Ti on the 28nm process, peaking at under 75W and able to pull power from only the PCIe slot. Both GPUs net similar performance in most games, yet the 750Ti manages this using a third the energy. Therefore energy isn't a concern since, by the time a new console would be released, GCN 2.0 would be launched on a 14nm or 16nm or whatever AMD is using at this point node. Much more efficient architecture, much more efficient process, and much more performance in the same thermal envelope.

Changing the games? HA! Console games getting any kind of long-term support. Good one.

They don't "need" to do anything. That's left up to the devs. Sony releases the hardware, devs release the software, simple as that. New games running at 30FPS on a standard PS4 might be upgraded to 60FPS on the revised version. Games at 720p might be increased to 1080p. Games at 1080p and 60FPS might get better texture resolution, or they might not.

AMD's console APUs are what they call semi-custom designs. A fully custom design would be a processor built from the ground up for a specific purpose, but that costs time and money. Instead, the semi-custom design allows for a much cheaper, much less R&D intensive processor to be built that offers 90+% the capabilities of a dedicated design. So what's AMD done with the console APUs? Taken the existing Pitcairn (PS4) and Bonaire (Xbone) GPUs, and slapped them on the same die as two "blocks" of four Jaguar CPU cores. Updating it for 14nm/16nm would be about as simple. Take some Zen cores - perhaps a single quad-core block thanks to SMT - and slap them on the same die as an R7 470 GPU. They don't need to build a new processor from the ground up. Obviously it will take some effort, but it's not as difficult as it might seem.

And it's not like it can't be done. Nintendo released the New 3DS with twice the memory (128MiB to 256MiB), quite a bit more VRAM (6MiB to 10MiB), and twice the CPU cores (three times the usable CPU cores, since one is reserved for the OS). But it's still a 3DS and not a brand new platform.

 

Sony should make the PS4 quieter before they think about upgrading the hardware. Thing is LOUD!!!!

Small console does not always mean a better console.

Can get annoying if you ask me. Even if it is across the room.

 

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Sony should make the PS4 quieter before they think about upgrading the hardware. Thing is LOUD!!!!

Small console does not always mean a better console.

Can get annoying if you ask me. Even if it is across the room.

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All I hear is the power button and the blu-ray drive, if you can hear fans obviously it's getting hot and A/C is its friend.

 

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All I hear is the power button and the blu-ray drive, if you can hear fans obviously it's getting hot and A/C is its friend.

I live in Wisconsin. It is not hot ATM. AC is not needed.

And pretty much all PS4's I've used did the same thing.

Audible fan noise after an hour or so of playing a game.

Look it up, it is a big flaw.

And I keep ours in a open place.

The Blu-ray drive is also a lot louder I've noticed. Louder than the PS3's bluray drive. Noticed that while watching a few movies.

 

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I don't see this actually happening. It would cause confusion in the market and anger "early adopters". It wouldn't be worth their R&D. Instead of doing that just pump out a PS5 sooner, maybe 2017.

You're right.... all this does is divide their market in half. They would LOSE money from doing this. Plus they would then fragment their consoles at the same time, thus causing confusion ... Its a bad move if they do this.

 

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I live in Wisconsin. It is not hot ATM. AC is not needed.

And pretty much all PS4's I've used did the same thing.

Audible fan noise after an hour or so of playing a game.

Look it up, it is a big flaw.

And I keep ours in a open place.

And then headphones were created.

 

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Sony should make the PS4 quieter before they think about upgrading the hardware. Thing is LOUD!!!!

Small console does not always mean a better console.

Can get annoying if you ask me. Even if it is across the room.

Elevate your system. A laptop cooler could work, or cutting out some 2x4 blocks to size (sand and paint to look nice). You'd be amazed at how far giving the bottom extra room to breath can go.

If all of that doesn't help or it's in a very tight spot then look into some USB fans to place around it somewhere.

 

so Sony may implement the same thing the 3ds went through when the "New" 3ds was released(essentially a 3ds with a processor which could load games faster, currently play 1 exclusive title and better hardware on other fronts(e.g better camera tracking))

 

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And then headphones were created.

No thank you, I have a $1000 5.1 system for a reason.

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Elevate your system. A laptop cooler could work, or cutting out some 2x4 blocks to size (sand and paint to look nice). You'd be amazed at how far giving the bottom extra room to breath can go.

If all of that doesn't help or it's in a very tight spot then look into some USB fans to place around it somewhere.

I shouldn't have to ghetto my console. It is on a open table with noting to keep the heat in. My Xbox One is on a shelf on the other hand, and doesn't make a sound.

Clearly Sony undersized the heatsink on the PS4.

The fan noise wouldn't be so bad if it didn't have an annoying tone to it. The Forced air sound of the blower is what kills it.

Sure it may be fixed with the future PS4 Slim, but really shouldn't have been this bad in the first place. Granted it is nothing like the original 360.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8lVQ4_UIsI

Now for me, it only happens when gaming. Dashboard is quiet.

 

More like it. New name sceme is PS4K. "full 4K cinema experience"

 

I am more likely to buy an NX than a more powerful PS4.

It would be a disgrace to all people who bought a PS4. If they do it then I expect them to do a trade in where you can trade your old PS4 + X amount of $$$ for the new PS4.

I'd rather have them invest the time and money into good games, because that is what I am missing with my PS4. Good innovative games that are not sequels or remastered.

 

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No thank you, I have a $1000 5.1 system for a reason.
I shouldn't have to ghetto my console. It is on a open table with noting to keep the heat in. My Xbox One is on a shelf on the other hand, and doesn't make a sound.

Clearly Sony undersized the heatsink on the PS4.

The fan noise wouldn't be so bad if it didn't have an annoying tone to it. The Forced air sound of the blower is what kills it.

Sure it may be fixed with the future PS4 Slim, but really shouldn't have been this bad in the first place. Granted it is nothing like the original 360.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8lVQ4_UIsI

Now for me, it only happens when gaming. Dashboard is quiet.

Then how can you hear Fan Noise from a PS4 sir? ... Headphones don't let noise in haha. I would love to have a 5.1 system, but I got sick of multiple speaker setups back in 2006 lol. Headphones are pretty advanced these days and with the right setup can actually sound better than 5 physical speakers. Still not hating on your sound system and I'm sure you love it and its really loud

 

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so Sony may implement the same thing the 3ds went through when the "New" 3ds was released(essentially a 3ds with a processor which could load games faster, currently play 1 exclusive title and better hardware on other fronts(e.g better camera tracking))

Yeah, They would have to retain the same API and architecture but just allow nicer things like HDMI 2.0, 3x3 Wifi, Higher Res, AA/AF. It could also serve as the launch platform for UltraHD Bluray

This wouldn't happen though, they have a performance advantage over XB1 and I doubt the NX will pose any serious threat to their marketshare. as others have mentioned, this will be the PS5