I like the part where the guy from Nvidia says that the price of the ROG Swift is too low...

 

Isn't the g-sync module just an FPGA dev board?

Would make more sense to have an ASIC on the display that could cost less than $10.

 

Is it confirmed that freesync is causing the ghosting and it can't be solved?

 

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Originally Posted by KBOMB

I like the part where the guy from Nvidia says that the price of the ROG Swift is too low...

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Forbes: Speaking of Asus, the ROG Swift seems like a great example, because all reports indicate it's constantly selling out at $749, which is obviously more expensive than an equivalent non G-Sync monitor.

Tom Petersen: "That tells me the price is probably too low. Commercially, if the price is too high you've got heavy stock, and prices come down to move that product. So I think as a very first principle, it's important to differentiate in your mind the difference between price and cost. Cost is what determines profitability. So from an OEM's perspective, they want to build products where the cost of manufacturing is lower than the price. So when I hear people talk about pricing, what I think a lot of people don't understand is…most of the time, Nvidia or Asus or Newegg doesn't really set the price. You get to effectively accept or not accept what the market is doing about pricing. The market is saying 'I love this monitor, reviews are awesome, I'm willing to pay this much money.' If you look at a FreeSync monitor and say 'oh, they're cheaper,' that's likely because the OEMs believe that the market will only tolerate a lower price. They're not setting it lower because they want to make less money.

lol explains a lot actually.

 

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Originally Posted by Dyson Poindexter

Isn't the g-sync module just an FPGA dev board?

Would make more sense to have an ASIC on the display that could cost less than $10.

Having to custom-tune specs and voltages make it difficult to turn into an ASIC.

 

As I predicted, so will start the PR battle between G-Sync and FreeSync with nVidia espousing the technological superiority of their product over the optional standard where the monitor companies are free to set the VRR ranges as they want.

 

I probably was foolish but I didn't even expect Nvidia to comment on Adaptive/Freesync. lol

 

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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

As I predicted, so will start the PR battle between G-Sync and FreeSync with nVidia espousing the technological superiority of their product over the optional standard where the monitor companies are free to set the VRR ranges as they want.

That's good

I want to know as much as I can before i sink 600-800 euro into display

 

Nvidia trying to expose G-Sync as the better option instead of its alternative namely Free Sync, something like this is to be expected. Now wait for AMD or someone else related, state why Free Sync is better than G-Sync,

 

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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

As I predicted

Early days, watch it evolve
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so will start the PR battle between G-Sync and FreeSync with nVidia espousing the technological superiority of their product over the optional standard where the monitor companies are free to set the VRR ranges as they want.

Thats choice and it not a bad thing, watch the monitor manufacturers compete to get it lower

 

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

Nvidia trying to expose G-Sync as the better option instead of its alternative namely Free Sync, something like this is to be expected. Now wait for AMD or someone else related, state why Free Sync is better than G-Sync,

AMD already has put out those slides ... and about half the information on those slides have been shown to be either flat out lies or gross exaggerations.

 

I don't really care what either Nvidia or AMD have to say. I'm going to listen to a third party which knows their stuff, e.g. TFT Central.

 

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Originally Posted by michaelius

That's good

I want to know as much as I can before i sink 600-800 euro into display

Meh I'd rather not support either of these closed, proprietary standards until both are forced to adopt an open standard. So far only the Asus MG279Q (that you kindly brought to my attention) seems to potentially fit that bill.

 

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Originally Posted by magnek

Meh I'd rather not support either of these closed, proprietary standards until both are forced to adopt an open standard. So far only the Asus MG279Q (that you kindly brought to my attention) seems to potentially fit that bill.

lol freesync is open.

gsync has the proprietary module

 

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Originally Posted by PlugSeven

Thats choice and it not a bad thing, watch the monitor manufacturers compete to get it lower

It's a bad thing NOW if you aren't as tech savvy as some here, and you drop $600 on a new FreeSync monitor and it's operational range is 48 to 75Hz and it ghosts.

Now if you are a tech savvy person, you'll know to STAY AWAY from a panel like that, but let's face it, most people aren't that knowledgeable.

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Originally Posted by incog

I don't really care what either Nvidia or AMD have to say. I'm going to listen to a third party which knows their stuff, e.g. TFT Central.

You are wise.

Unfortunately, 99.999% of the computer users out there never heard of TFTCentral.

 

This thread won't end well. Winter is coming.

 

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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

It's a bad thing NOW if you aren't as tech savvy as some here, and you drop $600 on a new FreeSync monitor and it's operational range is 48 to 75Hz and it ghosts.

Now if you are a tech savvy person, you'll know to STAY AWAY from a panel like that, but let's face it, most people aren't that knowledgeable.
You are wise.

Unfortunately, 99.999% of the computer users out there never heard of TFTCentral.

I'd argue most people also don't drop $600 for a monitor alone, or have even heard of VRR technology (or for that matter, care what it is and what it does).

Agreed TFTCentral is great, their color profile fixed the ridiculous factory profile I had on my VG248QE.
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lol freesync is open.

gsync has the proprietary module

Well are Freesync monitors going to work with nVidia cards? If no then I don't consider it truly open.

 

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Originally Posted by magnek

I'd argue most people also don't drop $600 for a monitor alone, or have even heard of VRR technology (or for that matter, care what it is and what it does).

Agreed TFTCentral is great, their color profile fixed the ridiculous factory profile I had on my VG248QE.
Well are Freesync monitors going to work with nVidia cards? If no then I don't consider it truly open.

they would if nvidia let them.

but that sorta counteracts their licensing and modules they can sell.

 

There is always more than 1 way to skin a cat. There are a lot of companies invested in A-sync and FreeSync so im sure the pool of engineers will figure something out soon if the ghosting is related to Freesync and not the monitor.

 

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

Nvidia trying to expose G-Sync as the better option instead of its alternative namely Free Sync, something like this is to be expected. Now wait for AMD or someone else related, state why Free Sync is better than G-Sync,

Considering reviewers have already spoken tough luck Nvidia. Though we need more monitors which have a wider frequency range in which Freesync can work. If manufactures set it to 48 you won't reap all the benefits!

 

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Originally Posted by magnek

I'd argue most people also don't drop $600 for a monitor alone, or have even heard of VRR technology (or for that matter, care what it is and what it does).

Agreed TFTCentral is great, their color profile fixed the ridiculous factory profile I had on my VG248QE.
Well are Freesync monitors going to work with nVidia cards? If no then I don't consider it truly open.

If NV supports it which they won't. Not sure how getting your competition to use something to their detriment means something is "open". Adaptive sync is as open as stuff gets.

 

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Originally Posted by Master__Shake

they would if nvidia let them.

but that sorta counteracts their licensing and modules they can sell.

If what Nvidia says is true(ghosting being eliminatedby Gsync module) Nvidia may not want to support all these monitors because of the exact reason they decided against it in 2013.

Again this is a big IF but if it is true Nvidia has every right not to support inferior tech.

 

Well, I don't think anyone disputed the technology itself is superior... But AMD's has more chances of being widely adopted due to the fact that it's built into the DisplayPort standard.

Which in turn gives it higher chances of survival.

 

So i'll asked again is it confirmed freesync causes the ghosting and is it unfixable?

 

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Originally Posted by Stuuut

Is it confirmed that freesync is causing the ghosting and it can't be solved?

Both gsync and freesyn cause ghosting but Nvidia has theirs under control. The Nvidia rep believes AMD can fix it but they can't keep on fixing it. By using only drivers instead of installing their own module requires them to keep up with display manufactures instead targeting their module to one unifying design. AMD is too cash strapped to adapt their drivers.

I agree AMD simply doesn't have the money to fix this but I feel this statement is a misleading. While Nvidia has been effective at making uniform performance with gsync that isn't the same as uniform specs. Each gysnc module needs to be tuned to the quirks of each panel type they have to interact with. AMD can't afford fixing their drivers AND it would've been more expensive for them to try to make their own modules.

Props to PCper. They mostly guessed correctly what Nvidia did at an advanced level.

LOL at Nvidia for citing the 295 price drop. It was better for them to mention that instead of their huge sell off with the Titan Z. $3000 was absurd.