For FX, 4/6/8 first number etc fx-4xxx, fx-8xxx states number of threads. fx-81xx would be bulldozer, fx83xx would be piledriver (1 and 3)

 

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Originally Posted by Cyro999

For FX, 4/6/8 first number etc fx-4xxx, fx-8xxx states number of threads. fx-81xx would be bulldozer, fx83xx would be piledriver (1 and 3)

I did some research on some other forums and found these info.

1) AMD cpu are typically 4 digits.
2) the 1st digit signifies cores (like u said, threads mean cores right?)
3)2nd number signifies the generation
4)3rd number signifies the speed/performance, (ie: 4x5x > 4x0x
are these correct? also whats the 4th digit signify?

and are there anything else i need to know?
and what does the bolded part mean? is it just the codename? like haswel is for 4th gen cpu?

 

Not really sure for 3'rd/4'th number if they mean anything particularly, it's usually stuff like fx8320 vs 8350, 8350 is just higher stock clock and better binned on average (oc's a bit higher) AFAIK

First number is threads. All of the bulldozer/piledriver FX CPU's use modules, so they have two threads per "module" and a lot of duplicated resources, but it's not entirely fair to call them cores. An fx-8350 has four modules and 8 threads

x1xx was Bulldozer, first revision of modular FX.
x3xx was Piledriver, second rev

third rev is Steamroller, fourth is Excavator. We don't have steamroller FX atm, only in Kaveri (fm2+ apu's). Yea, they're "code-names"

 

On this list,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_microprocessors
i cant find FX cpu's

only phenom FX, is that the same thing?

also, im assuming FX series are AMD's newest CPU as of now?

 

FX - Main family name
Bulldozer - Under FX we have the actual architecture in use

Zambezi - The model or core (named Bulldozer core)

Piledriver - The model or core name (named Piledriver cores).

So
FX - Family Name
6xxx - Number of cores or threads
6200 - Second iteration of Bulldozer cores (a.k.a clock boost)
6300 - Series name - So 3 means 1st generation Piledriver
6350 - 3 means Piledriver, 50 means iteration (a.k.a a clock boost basically)

The zero?

I have no clue.

Their naming scheme is odd and I don't really know if there is any actual pattern to it as such (no the last digits anyway).

Then you have their APUs, such as the A4, A6, A8 and A10. No idea about the whole A4, A6 thing. But basically

A4 and A6 - Dual core parts. A6 has more graphical cores and a main CPU core boost compared to A4.
A8 and A10 - Quad core parts. A10 has more graphical cores and a main CPU core boost compared to A8.

The notation is the same:
A8-3800 series - 3 means the series name, Lynx (Llano cores) - FM1 platform - based on AMD Stars architecture
A8-5800 series - 5 means the series name, Virgo (Trinity cores) - FM2 platform - Based on Piledriver
A8-6800 series - 6 means the series name, Richland (Richland cores) - FM2 platform - Based on Piledriver
A8-7600 Series - 7 means the series name, Kaveri - FM2+ platform - Based on Steamroller (newest design).

AMD Phenom is an older architecture.

Basically, the higher you go in the "numbers" the newer and faster it will be

It's very similar to any naming scheme really, just looks a bit different. I think you just come to "get it".

 

TYVM!!!

I will have to keep this page as reference, but i get the gist of the naming scheme, now

however, i am still confused on what FX is and what you mean by
"FX - family name."

is FX like "phenom II" or the i5 in intel ?

basicaly a name of a series?

also, is bulldozer and piledriver part of FX ?

 

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For CPU and mobo's i stuck with intel,
Not because I was fanboying them, but becuase their naming scheme was easier, thus making it simpler to keep up with the tech w/o any research. (4xxx is 4th gen while 3xxx is 3rd gen)

not really that simple... Intel Core i7-4960X Ivy Bridge-E 3.6GHz (Turbo 4GHz) LGA 2011 130W 6-Core Desktop Processor (not Haswell)
my Pentium G3430 is Haswell though....

 

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Originally Posted by IMKR

TYVM!!!

I will have to keep this page as reference, but i get the gist of the naming scheme, now

however, i am still confused on what FX is and what you mean by
"FX - family name."

is FX like "phenom II" or the i5 in intel ?

basicaly a name of a series?

also, is bulldozer and piledriver part of FX ?

FX is the series.
much like "core" is to intel.
and phenom were to AMD previously.
bulldozer and piledriver both have FX parts, but bulldozer and piledriver refer to architecture changes and revisions.
there are also bulldozer and piledriver cores found within A series parts from AMD.

and to compare to intel again...in the core series you have sandy bridge parts, ivy bridge, haswell, etc.
all fall under the core name.

 

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Originally Posted by Blue Dragon

not really that simple... Intel Core i7-4960X Ivy Bridge-E 3.6GHz (Turbo 4GHz) LGA 2011 130W 6-Core Desktop Processor (not Haswell)
my Pentium G3430 is Haswell though....

how does that happen? lol

how come a 4xxx isnt haswell? was that released before haswell was out?

because it would make sense TO ME if the 4960x isnt called haswell, even if it is 4th gen, if its using ivy bride architecture.

and the G3430 called a haswell because its using 4th gen haswel tech.
(which i am assuming?? since its given those specific code names?)

 

FX is the branding name

it just means "AMD's performance products" and everything comes under it in the FX series, from the FX-4000 - FX-8000 series. Which is their socket AM3+

It's their processors. Like they have their other line called "APUs" or accelerated processor units, the A-series (for CPU+onboard GPU) which is their socket FM2-FM2+.

Bulldozer and Piledriver are a part of FX yeah. Although we all tend to say "forget bulldozer" because it wasn't that good.

Intel has their I3, I5 and I7s (socket 1155 and 1150), AMD has their FX-4300, FX-6300 and FX-8300 series (socket AM3+).

Intel has their Xeons for servers, AMD has their Opterons

 

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Originally Posted by t00sl0w

FX is the series.
much like "core" is to intel.
and phenom were to AMD previously.
bulldozer and piledriver both have FX parts, but bulldozer and piledriver refer to architecture changes and revisions.
there are also bulldozer and piledriver cores found within A series parts from AMD.

and to compare to intel again...in the core series you have sandy bridge parts, ivy bridge, haswell, etc.
all fall under the core name.

why in gods name do the companies make these naming schemes so complicated and hard?

my god ...... its like they do it on purpose.

well, im going to bookmark this page as reference for the future.

and last question,
what is kaveri? is it like bulldozer and piledriver? where it part of FX series with some revisions?

 

Kaveri is based on Steamroller

it's their new APUs (A-series) for computational work and graphical purposes (onboard GPU).

Richland was the previous APU from AMD which was based on Piledriver.

The main difference between the FX series and APU series is that APU's have graphics cores onboard the chip (hence needs a different socket and platform - FM2+). FXs are CPU only, so they need discrete graphics card

As one person said, Bulldozer, Piledriver is just the core architecture, bit like Ivy and Haswell

 

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Originally Posted by IMKR

how does that happen? lol

how come a 4xxx isnt haswell? was that released before haswell was out?

because it would make sense TO ME if the 4960x isnt called haswell, even if it is 4th gen, if its using ivy bride architecture.

and the G3430 called a haswell because its using 4th gen haswel tech.
(which i am assuming?? since its given those specific code names?)

The LGA2011 4-xxx parts are not Haswell because the LGA2011 platform is a gen behind mainstream, but intel wanted to keep naming scheme "clear" in that they were supposed to be superior CPU's

etc 3930k is 6-core, sandy bridge.. 3770k on desktop was ivy bridge so a bit better singlethreaded performance, but 3930k was the enthusiast part. They brought 4930k (ivy bridge) after the 4770k, likewise, which is their mainstream part that they want it to appear superior to (even though trades blows, depending on usage, particularly in low-threaded aps that can't utilize a fifth and six core very well or stuff like the extra memory bandwidth and cache, while benefitting from IPC and raw cache speed on haswell for example)

 

Athlon II and Phenom II (mostly Athlon does not have L3 cache, though neither do APUs) are K10 architechture. ONE CORE ONE THREAD.
FX uses one module=2cores=2threads(mostly, cores cannot share all functions). This is the Bulldozer/Piledriver architechture. Start about 2011. K10 went EOL "End of Life" no more production.
K10 is AM3, FX is AM3+
Piledriver reduced power consumption and increased performance of FX architechture. Note AMD FX-9XXX chips are the "best" binned FX-8XXX chips, guaranteed high clocks.

Bulldozer was introduced at high price and less than expected performance and a power/heat penalty.
Piledrive has much better pricing, reasonable performance and less heat.
Intel has much better single thread performance, AMD module outperform hyperthreading in most multithread applications, though more code is being written to use hyperthreading.

 

thx guys,

another quick question, (slightly off topic but still about amd)

for these APU's, such as A8 and A10,

what integrated gpu do they use exactly?

when i do research, it just says "radeon R7 series"

arent there a couple R7 models?

EDIT: also is the radeon HD 7870 better than the integraded GPU's in them?

 

r7/r9 -200 series is basically (and often literally) the same stuff from 7000 series, if you look at a few spec numbers you can guesstimate performance:

A10 7850k (the flagship kaveri APU) has 512 gcn cores, but has to clock them somewhat lower and use a ddr3 memory interface that's shared for CPU and GPU

7770 has 640 cores, can clock a bit more freely with its own die and cooler etc, has onboard gddr5 memory (which is more optimized for bandwidth than the latency that a CPU requires and ddr3 must have) giving it ~3-5x+ more memory bandwidth, which is important for a GPU. This increases performance some.

A 7870 has 1280 cores and a GDDR5 memory bus that's twice as wide, doubling bandwidth again. You can pretty freely say that it would outperform a 7850k by like three times, +- a decent margin for guessing performance.

 

Sorry guys, pulling up my old thread

whats the differences between the athlon series?

like theres athlon, athlon ii, athlon x4, and all that.
are they all one series? or just reusing the name?

whats the newest athlon series thats relevant?

 

Athlon is always the downed variant. However Athlon 64 and Athlon were very old chips made on the AM2 platform.

Athlon II is an AM2+ platform, but can be used on AM3+. That's an old series. Doesn't have any L3 cache and can be considered a rubbish Phenom basically

it's cheaper.

Athlon X4, the newer ones, are Piledriver based chips, so they are essentially an A10-6700 without the iGPU onboard. They fused off the graphics portion because it was unstable so CPU wise it's essentially the same chip. These newer Athlons are a bit different to previous ones as they are now an APU just without the iGPU onboard

 

Current Athlons are FM2. APUs with the video function turned off.
Athlon II were lower priced than the Phenom II chips. X2, X3, X4 denoted the number of cores. An Athlon II X3 was a popular inexpensive gaming choice.
Could be overclocked and might unlock to a 4 core chip.
There were low energy variants like the Athlon II X2 240e (45 watt instead of 65 watt). Athlons were popular with budget builders, and prebuilt companies. Built an Athlon II X3 440 somewhere around 2008? on a 785 motherboard (DDR2?).

 

Athlon IIs are AM3 (938) with DDR3 support, so they'll plug straight into an AM3+ (939) socket also.

 

Bookmark this site.
http://www.cpu-world.com/

Everything you need to know.

 

In addition to the CPU-WORLD recommendation (which comes in very handy for referencing those oddball hard to remember details about chips)

Here's some very useful references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_microprocessors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units

There are other good wiki pages for AMD and Intel and Nvidia products. Use them to cross reference around to complete pieces of the puzzle. We could fire away at this sort of Q/A for a year and not cover it all.

Use PCpartpicker.com to show lists of modern hardware in various categories. You can organize CPUs in many different ways on there, which will help "sort out" some of the confusion.

The best way to "absorb" it, is through continued exposure.