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[mpc] "They Should Really Be Asking About The Future of Console Gaming”

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Remember when everyone said PC gaming was dying? Remember when they were completely and utterly wrong - forever? Of course you do. And so does history, as it tends to favor victors. As for who's going to be forgotten, well, turnabout's kind of a bitc-- we mean fair play. And so, somewhat fittingly, Age of Empires Online developer and Gas Powered Games head Chris Taylor believes it's now consoles that are circling the drain.

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i don't think consoles are going anywhere anytime soon... however i do see current consoles entering end of life soon seeing as we have all these wii2/xbox720/ps4 rumors/new articles popping up
 
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I dont forsee consoles going anywhere anytime soon lol
 
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I'd like to see him explain himself a bit, as I'm at a loss as to what hurdles he thinks will present themselves to consoles and not PC.
 
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I'm admittedly drunk...ish. BUT!

I say that he has a bit of a point. Consoles pretty much are just for gaming from a basic standpoint. The peripherals are a lot of pluses that people like and enjoy. Consoles get used for more than just gaming by LOTS of people.

The problem isn't when you say I have a gaming device that can do A,B,C,D,... etc. Console makers are constantly solving that. No I think the issue he is worried about is that you will say I have this device that does yadda yadda yadda, and it also is used for gaming. So someone might ask why have a console if its for gaming when gaming is a secondary thing to them compared to the rest of the item's use? PC's don't have this problem as most people have lots of uses for them other than just gaming. Even the high end gaming PC's people justify very easily because they love it and they can do lots more with it than a console (I use my PC for lots more than just gaming). I think the "threat" to consoles are these smaller mobile devices. Consoles just have to offer a better gaming experience to keep people interested.

And you know what?!?! They WILL! Console makers aren't dumb. And people will buy consoles for years to come. They aren't in danger and aren't going anywhere for quite some time.

I think often people who make games, consoles, peripherals, etc., are usually worried not because the piece of the pie they get is getting smaller, but because the pie is getting bigger and the piece they get isn't keeping pace. Gaming is an expanding market and selling a couple hundred thousand games isn't what it used to be. Gotta keep selling more and making more money (which is logical). Sadly its just a theory and I don't have the numbers to back it up.

Well I'm done rambling. So as a PC-Gaming-Elitist-Funk Monkey I say consoles are here for a long time to come. GNITE!
 
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Originally Posted by Acroma
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In the end you wont need a console. Your T.V. will come with a "OnLive" type service.

I'm willing to bet console makers get in on their own "microconsoles," offering exclusive services and access to their first-party titles. Then you have publishers like Activision, who would in all likelihood take advantage of a Call of Duty-esque fanbase and make their own microconsole.

If we ever do go that route entirely, I can't imagine a smooth transition for anyone, PC and console gamers alike.
 
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More and more we want our devices to do everything. Specialization will not be around forever. Consoles have a limited life. Computers in one form or other will last far longer.
 
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Consoles won't go anywhere, just look, even the hardware in them are stone age by todays standards...
 
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I think it's going to be more like fusion with the PCs than anything else, you connect a "console" up to your TV, it has its own probably Linux based OS or even Windows, it has a TV tuner, it plays games, etc, it does everything a PC or a Console actually does now, but with the TV as a screen.
 
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Originally Posted by Paradox me;13673396
I'd like to see him explain himself a bit, as I'm at a loss as to what hurdles he thinks will present themselves to consoles and not PC.
Probably over specialization.

Multi and general purpose devices are taking over, and the PC is nearly the original general purpose consumer electronic device.

As consoles become more capable, and traditional PC software more cross platform, there may come a point when they don't just resemble each other, but where there isn't any appreciable difference at all.

Take phones, for example. They started off as phones, and now they are small form-factor tablet PCs. We also now have things like Android emulators for PC, and the most common PC OS will soon support the ARM instruction set.

I would not be surprised if in 5-10 years phones, PCs, and consoles are all so interoperable that there is no point in distinguishing the platforms from each other outside of physical shape and price point.
 
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Originally Posted by Mootsfox;13673960
More and more we want our devices to do everything. Specialization will not be around forever. Consoles have a limited life. Computers in one form or other will last far longer.
^^^This^^^

Just look at other technologies, like record players for instance, they started as playing one medium, evolved into entire music systems playing records, tapes, and including graphic equalizers and amps. Then they died out to evolve again into smaller more portable formats and of course reached the digital age.

Anyone who thinks consoles will be here forever are either very young or myopic, maybe both.

Look at the current advancements in cpu's and graphics, the worlds heading to ever more powerfull graphics on the cpu die. Any modern cpu is good enough for general usage, without the frustrations of yesteryear, when you'd press enter and wait and eternity for anything to happen, and god forbid you tried to run two programs at once. Soon mobile cpu's (smartphones, tablets and laptops) will run everything you throw at them with ease too.
 
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I think the next generation of consoles is gonna be much smaller leap forward than the last. I bet Microsoft/Sony focus on keeping hardware costs low without sacrificing reliability and making the hardware easier to code for developers.
 
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Originally Posted by BinaryDemon;13675079
I think the next generation of consoles is gonna be much smaller leap forward than the last. I bet Microsoft/Sony focus on keeping hardware costs low without sacrificing reliability and making the hardware easier to code for developers.
Then why buy another iteration in the first place?

Rule #34 for consoles:80% of the user base are cheap-asses.They expect a gaming machine to achieve a higher fidelity of graphics that costs as much as the current price of their console.
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What they don't know is that this kind of mass consumerism isn't sustainable and is unhealthy for the industry as a whole to move forward to.There would be a time where R&D costs would outweigh any sort meaningful profit transition to another platform whilst getting more people to have their machine in the living room.

On top of that , they're already using cheap ass materials to cut down costs but they're STILL losing money.By the next cycle we will see this bubble burst simply because going after cheap ass consumers isn't profitable and will never be($500 for a new console? OMG thats as expensive as 1/6 of the 50" plasma TV i play my games on!!!).Where the hell is your business sense M$/Sony?????
 
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Eventually consoles will die, they'll be replaced by iPads and Facebook games. This is about 20 years down the road however. And when I say iPads and Facebook games I mean those sorts of things, it's all about convenience. Obviously in the future we'll be able to do several times more with even the weakest pieces of modern hardware.
 
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Originally Posted by Shrimp;13675274
Eventually consoles will die, they'll be replaced by iPads and Facebook games. This is about 20 years down the road however. And when I say iPads and Facebook games I mean those sorts of things, it's all about convenience. Obviously in the future we'll be able to do several times more with even the weakest pieces of modern hardware.
Not to mention browser based games are coming to fruition. I remember there was a demo of Spore completely browser based.
 
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True, I read somewhere today that the PS3 graphics cards is based of the 7900GT?
A pimped 7800GTX.
 
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Chris Taylor is a long-time voice for PC gamers. This article carries about as much insight as the a Sony game developer saying that Playstation is better than Xbox, or someone who sells parts to Ford saying that the F-150 is a better truck than the Dodge Ram. Of course they are going to say that. They may certainly believe it to their core, but they also have a vested interest in the advocacy they are spouting.
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In this modern Future World of PCs, tablets, smart phones, and other Swiss army knives of technological prowess, is there still room for single-purpose devices?
Of course there is. In many, many cases the specialized device performs its task better than the generalized device. As long as it is priced appropriately, it can and should sell well. Not everyone wants an iPad, some people just want to read a frickin eBook (in the sun). The trouble comes when those specialty devices cost more than they should...the closer you get to the price point of the general device, the more attractive its price-to-feature balance becomes.

But a major issue with Chris's argument here is claiming that consoles are single-function devices. That's just not true anymore...at least technically. Even the PS2 was used as a DVD player, so even then a console was not a single-function device. Today, I use my PS3 as a Blu-Ray player and Netflix terminal exclusively...I play no games at all on it. Once Microsoft finishes the Skype acquisition and works that into Live (especially coupled with Kinect), goodness...the Xbox could be less about gaming than it is basic interaction with your social network (meaning family and friends, not the random Live or Facebook "friends" that are actually total strangers.)

Here's the actual nugget of truth that this article completely ignores: the cable box is on the verge of being a dead platform, not game consoles. Bill Gates' 1990's vision of replacing the cable box with his own set top box is becoming more and more possible. In ten years, will anyone still need cable? ("Need", not "want".) If Netflix and its competition provides access to all of the "television content" we need, in an on-demand fashion, you won't need a cable box anymore. That is the true single-function device (decoding encrypted TV streams served according to the cable company's time schedule and agenda, not the content consumer's) that can, and will, be replaced by what we call "game consoles" today.
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Originally Posted by Artikbot;13675050
Consoles are a closed platfom, PC is an open platform.

Open paltforms never die.

period.
Um...audio cassettes? Video tapes? Cripes, even paper books (outsold by eBooks this year for the first time, according to a recent article that I read on MSN, I think).

Never say never. Everything can "die" if something better comes along.
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Originally Posted by Mootsfox;13673960
More and more we want our devices to do everything. Specialization will not be around forever. Consoles have a limited life. Computers in one form or other will last far longer.
Depends on what you are classifying as a "computer", I guess.

I truly believe than in 10 years time, Average Joe will no longer be buying boxy desktop PCs. They just don't need them, and there is just no reason to be anchored to a desk anymore. Tablets will continue to take over the world...no one who really only surfs the web and does e-mail/social networking will have a reason to use anything else. Laptops will be for the people who can't let go. And PCs will be for us...people who like to build their own hot rods.

But like I said, specialization will never fully go away. We already have computers in our card, refridgerators, geez pretty much everything, right? Do I want my refridgerator to cost an extra $300 because there is a full-blown PC-like computer ot tablet built in, or do I want the much cheaper specialized hardware that does only what it needs to do? I don't think I need to play Angry Birds on my fridge, so I vote for el cheapo specialized model.
 
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PC > Console hands down. But consoles can put out much better graphics with the same hardware. Optimization. So what happens now? When CPU's are going well beyond our current needs, and GPU's are doing the same. PC parts prices are dropping all over the place and building an entry level single monitor (1080 or 1050) can be done for pretty cheap. So if Consoles are just PC's with a very closed environment and extremely optimized, why would consoles go away? The parts for them will get cheaper and cheaper and they can afford to stay a generation, or 2, maybe 3 or 4 behind (considering a GPU like a 4870 would still work well in consoles, well it does. Isn't the wii2/p.cafe going to use R700 based GPU?)

So as far as I'm concerned, we're at a point where Consoles might actually pick up, and if they are built well enough, and cheap enough *cough Sony B-Ray ripoof *cough* and still to tried and true cheaper hardware, they can afford to have a new console every 3-5 years as long as they stay backwards compatible, something I think would be quite easy if developed from the ground up to be a platform like that.

But I think as consoles get to be more computer like, and computer gaming becomes easier and cheaper, you'll see game dev's build for the PC most of the time. Just my 2 cents.
 
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isn't the pc also a form of "console" gaming?

unless the majority of pc game support split screen multiplayer, consoles are here to stay