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Windows 7 SSD's Setup and Secrets

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NOTE: To install Win7 on a SSD only have the SSD and DVD/CD connected, do not have any other hard drives connected. Make sure your BIOS is set to boot off the DVD. After you get your OS installed set your BIOS back to boot off the SSD. After you get your OS running fine off your SSD then you can hookup the rest of your Hard Drives.



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Change from IDE to AHCI Mode after Windows 7 Installation

AHCI stand for Advance Host Controller Interface. AHCI is a hardware mechanism that allows software to communicate with Serial ATA (SATA) devices (such as host bus adapters) that are designed to offer features not offered by Parallel ATA (PATA) controllers, such as:

Hot-Plugging and Native Command Queuing (NCQ) -might improve computer/system/hard disk responsiveness, especially in multi-tasking environment

There is one way to fix this, although you need to have knowledge of registry editing. The detailed steps from Microsoft website are as follows:

(1) Exit all Windows-based programs.

(2) Press [Win] + R or take the RUN option from the start menu.

(3) Now type regedit there and press Enter Key to open up the Registry Editor Window. (If you receive the User Account Control dialog box, click Continue.)

(4) Locate and then click the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\msahci

(5) In the right pane, right-click Start in the Name column, and then click Modify.

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(6) In the Value data box, type 0 [3 is default], and then click OK.

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(7) On the File menu, click Exit to close Registry Editor.

(8) Restart your computer

(9) Go to BIOS and enable AHCI, Save & Reboot

(10) Another restart will be required to finish the driver installation.

Now you are ready to enter the bios and Work some real magic.

(1) Check the board is in AHCI mode, if no option is available there is nothing you can do.

(2) Check if S1 and S3 sleep are supported in bios, I usually set S1 but S3 should be ok also....if they are not in bios there is nothing you can do

(3) Check ACPI 2.0 is in bios and enabled, if its not in bios there is nothing you can do.

(4)
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Originally Posted by TwoCables;11028564 
I think that the installer doesn't align it properly to begin with. Here's a method that was recently taught to me that I guarantee will work perfectly to properly align a solid state drive:

(5) Check and see if there is an Update to the FIRMWARE of you SSD and Update if necessary.
  1. To make things easy, disconnect all other drives (but leave any optical disc drives connected)
  2. Boot from the Windows 7 installation DVD
  3. When you see the "Install now" button, click "Repair your computer"
  4. You'll see a little window named "System Recovery Options" appear that searches for Windows installations.
  5. When it finishes, you will see a dialog box. Select "Use recovery tools that can help fix problems starting Windows. Select an operating system to repair.", and then click Next.
  6. Click "Command Prompt"
  7. Type diskpart to load DiskPart
  8. Type list disk
  9. Type select disk 0 (or whichever number your SSD gets)
  10. If you want to be sure you have the right one selected, then type list partition.
  11. Once you know you have the right drive selected, type clean.
  12. Type create partition primary align=1024
  13. Type format quick fs=ntfs
  14. It will appear like it's going to take forever, but then like 5-10 seconds later, it suddenly finishes, jumping straight from 0% to 100%.
  15. Type active
  16. Type list partition to see your creation. smile.gif
  17. Type exit
  18. Type exit
  19. Click Restart
  20. Boot from the DVD again and perform a normal installation using the "Custom (advanced)" type of installation.

So to summarize:
  1. Get to that Command Prompt
  2. Type diskpart
  3. Type list disk
  4. Type select disk 0 (or whichever number it turns out to be)
  5. Type clean
  6. Type create partition primary align=1024
  7. Type format quick fs=ntfs
  8. Type active
  9. Type exit
  10. Type exit
  11. Click Restart
  12. Install Windows 7

Immediately after installing Windows:

(1) Turn Off Hibernation File: Type cmd in search, right click cmd symbol that comes up and choose "run as administrator". Type “powercfg -h off” and press enter.

OPTIONAL BUT RECOMMENDED SHORT STROKE DRIVE 25%: control panel/administrative tools/computer management/storage/disk management/ right click on C drive/ shrink volume follow instructions to shrink volume shrink so you have 25% unallocated space minimum. Helps drive maintain its self at higher performance and helps overall drive life.

(2) OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY RECOMMENDED: Turn off paging file: control panel/ system/advanced system settings/performance settings/advanced/virtual memory/change click no paging file, click set, apply, ok. (Restart later) Note: if you want to use a paging file for some reason set the minimum size to 1000mb and the maximum size to 1000mb. (Restart Later)

(3) OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY RECOMMENDED: Turn off system protection: control panel/ system/system protection make sure all drives are off especially C. You can make system images so system protection is just a giant waste of disk space.

(4) Turn off drive indexing: Right click all drives and uncheck drive indexing, click apply (ignore all when comes up) Also go to windows storage manager select the system reserved partition right click uncheck drive indexing, click apply (ignore all when comes up).

(5) OPTIONAL: Turn off Recycle Bin or reduce in size.

(6) Turn Off Reliability Monitor: Admin tools, open task scheduler. expand task scheduler library, then Microsoft, then Windows. Scroll down and click on RAC. Go to the top and select View then show hidden tasks IF RACTASK is not showing. Right click on RacTask and select disable. To re-enable it, you right click it and select enable.
Here is the good part.... disabling it stops it from PROCESSING reliability data and errors for reliability viewer. The data is still collected in the logs, just stored efficiently. You can re-enable it and see the reliability stuff when U wish. Disabling it saved RAM and some drive churning until U need to look at it.

(7) Set the power state to high performance and set the machine to never sleep, HDD power down to OFF (off is before 1 minute).

(8) Disable SuperFetch: Type regedit in search, click on symbol then go HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchPerameters right click EnableSuperfetch hit modify and change to 0 and hit OK. (NOTE: alot of people also disable prefetch as well as superfetch but i find system runs better with prefetch enabled).

(9) Enable Large System Cache: Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\Memory Management right click LargeSystemCache hit modify and change to 1 and hit OK.

(10) Go to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem right click NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation hit modify and change to 1 and hit OK then right click NtfsMemoryUsage hit modify and change to 2 and hit OK.

(11) Disable SuperFetch in services: Go to Control Panel select Administrative Tools\Services double click SuperFetch select startup type as disabled then click ok.

(12) While in Services double click Disk Defragmenter select startup type as disabled then click ok.

Now Restart Your System For The First Time then:

(1) Install Chipset Drivers.

(2) Use win7 native AHCI (Will be automatically installed by windows during installation) driver for AMD. Use the newest Intel RST driver (Download and install after windows installation. Note INTEL Chipset Drivers should be installed first then RST driver.)for INTEL systems.

(3) RESTART

(4) Enable windows write back catching on C drive: right click C drive/hardware/your drive/ properties/change settings/policies/ check turnoff windows write-caching buffer flushing.......................



This will prevent Windows 7's installer from creation that 100MB partition, and it will also be properly aligned! cheers.gif

If this helps you send some love to "Two Cables" for his wisdom.

BTW. Two Cables informed me that he got this info from lsdmeasap
Much love to you and all.
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Originally Posted by coelacanth;12487881 
SSDs aren't really a pain. Pop them in, install OS. Done. Experience ridiculous speed that will have you swearing off mechanical hard drives forever. No need to use it in moderation, NAND flash should last more years than anyone will even have these drives for the most part.

All of these tweaks and stuff are to get even more out of the SSD, though none of this stuff is mandatory. Some people really enjoy the hacking and tweaking, but none of it is necessary. But who doesn't like a free performance bump?

The biggest reason not to get a SSD is the price, but those are falling pretty fast.

For a comparison of SSD vs. mechanical hard drive, check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiLSXvNaCME

A Word about Indexing..
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Indexing is not that big of a problem, as long as you move the index files by going into Indexing Options and specifying a location on a mechanical hard drive. People will say you don't need it because the SSD is fast, and that would be true if everything you want to search is on the SSD. But in many systems, you need a hard drive for mass storage anyway, and the fast SSD isn't going to make searching the HDD faster.

Also in Indexing Options, you have to specify which drives/folders you want indexed, as Windows only indexes part of C: by default.

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Here is a portion of ZD NET's blog on the subject.
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1. Make sure you have the latest firmware. Because firmware updates wipe out all data on the drive, you must do this operation as the first step; make sure to back up all existing data first. You’ll need to check with the drive manufacturer or the OEM, depending on whether you purchased the drive as a retail upgrade or as part of an OEM PC. Follow the instructions to complete the firmware update; this typically requires booting from removable media such as a USB flash drive.

2. Set the disk controller to AHCI mode. In the system BIOS, set the SATA controller for Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) operation before installing Windows. This step is crucial. Using the legacy IDE or ATA mode prevents you from installing the proper disk controller driver later and will result in reduced performance.


3. Consider using a Secure Erase utility to reset the drive to its original, out-of-the-box state.
This step isn’t essential but can be helpful, especially on a well-used drive. Do not perform a full format using Windows disk management tools. For Intel drives, you can use the Intel Solid State Drive Toolbox. If you have a Lenovo computer, this feature is available as part of a BIOS Menu Setup Extension. For OCZ drives, see this discussion thread for links to a Secure Erase utility. The HDDErase tool also works with many drives; see this tutorial for download links and instructions.

4. Boot from the Windows media and begin the clean install. Use the Windows Setup utility to create the partition. If you have a partition created using any other tool, delete it and use the Windows 7 disk tools to create a new one. This ensures that the partition is properly aligned.

5. Install the latest storage driver. If your system includes an Intel SATA controller, you should use the most recent version of the Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver, which is located here. Currently (January 2011), the most recent version is 10.1.0.1008.

6. After completing setup, check the Windows Experience Index. Click Start, click Computer, then click System Properties. On the System page, click Windows Experience Index, which takes you to the Performance Information and Tools page. The Primary hard disk score for a properly configured SSD should be over 7.0. If necessary, click Re-run The Assessment to refresh the numbers.

To verify that all the features of the SSD are working properly, install the free CrystalDiskInfo utility. As this example shows, it confirms that Native Command Queuing (NCQ) and TRIM are enabled.

It also offers an interesting glimpse at the health of your disk.

When Windows 7 detects that you have a properly configured, fast SSD drive, it disables several unnecessary features, including Superfetch, Prefetch, and ReadyBoot. It also disables scheduled defragmentation operations for the SSD, which isn’t necessary, and can reduce the usable life of the drive.

In the final installment of this series, coming up next, I’ll discuss the best ways to split up system and data disks.

SSD TWEEKER...

Thumbs up SSD Tweak Utility

SSD Tweak Utility

With all the advice online for SSD hard drives it can take hours of research and fiddling to properly setup your SSD drive. Now with this little app you can Tweak Windows 2K/XP/Vista & 7 including x64 in seconds.

SSD Tweaker 1.8 Lets you Tweak the following:

Windows Services
Query and Set Windows 7 TRIM Status (Pro Only)
Experimental TRIM Optimization (Pro Only)
Hibernation Settings
Use Large System Cache
Ntfs Memory Usage
Disable 8.3 Filenames
Disable Date Stamping
Disable Boot Tracing
Windows Prefetcher
Windows Vista Superfetch
Windows Indexing Service
System Restore
Windows Defrag

The only thing is not having the GUI Boot on the Boot up. I turned mine back on. But that is just personal Preference.

MSCONFIG/guiboot I like the window to glow and start up. It gives me a bad feeling when I don't see it.
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This last option is basically taking away the Windows Logo upon start up. Personally I like this feature and I left the GUI on startup Checked. Like all of these it is not vital for you to do every one of these tweaks but it helps to do most.

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What is TRIM

In computing, a TRIM command allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally.

TRIM was introduced soon after SSDs started to become an affordable alternative for traditional hard disks as permanent storage in PCs. Because low-level operation of SSDs differs significantly from traditional hard disks (see details below), the typical way in which operating systems handle operations like deletes and formats (not explicitly communicating the involved sectors/pages to the underlying storage medium) resulted in unanticipated progressive performance degradation of write operations on SSDs. TRIM enables the SSD to handle garbage collection overhead, that would otherwise significantly slow down future write operations to the involved blocks, in advance.

Although tools to "reset" some drives to a fresh state were already available before the introduction of TRIM, they also delete all data on the drive, which makes them impractical to use for ongoing optimization. More recent SSDs will often contain internal idle/background garbage collection mechanisms that work independently of TRIM; although this successfully maintains their performance even under operating systems that do not (yet) support TRIM, it has the drawback of increased write amplification and associated increased wear of the flash cells.

1. Here is what OCZ Says about Write Amplification, Trim and GC



2. (ZDNet) Windows 7 and SSDs: Cutting your system drive down to size.



3. (OCZ Forum)Great SSD Guide..

4. (OCZ Forum) SSD Windows 7 Tweaks

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Originally Posted by jamesschmidt82;12453640 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976

That guy right there. Down the page they have an automatic DL that you can use instead of having to go into reg and do it yourself if your like me and dont want to mess something up lol

Also might wanna skim through some of this I found on my search to my headaches lol. My retain to people with more c300's though not sure.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=646971&mpage=1&print=true

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistasecurity/thread/19ccf0d4-bc9b-40ad-80cf-be2be546e4c0

http://windows7forums.com/windows-7-installation-upgrade/5119-setup-unable-create-system-partition.html
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Hi smile.gif

The purpose of this thread. Is to bring to the attention of SSD owners. To what I consider to be maybe the best App, as an SSD owner cool.gif
Now, don't let the name put you off wink.gif
The App is Steam Mover! But it is so much more band.gif
With it. You can move any program or game. From your HDD to your SSD, and back!

You just select the "Location and destination" and click move cool.gif
And this means! You can have all your games installed on a HDD. And move games "on and off" of the SSD when ever you wish smile.gif
And so, the game of the "moment" is just where you want it! cool.gif

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I know, its just using standard Windows commands to move files and set up a junction point!
But not every one knows how to do that wink.gif
And "SSD owners, Must have App!" might be a little bit Strong!
And that, it has been mentioned in posts before!
But I feel this App, is that good! That it's worth a special mention here where SSD owners will see it smile.gif
And not just "in a post as an answer" wink.gif

Also! The App just runs, you don't install it cool.gif

So Author. If you read this. Thank you!
AC smile.gif

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is it the same alignment if in raid?
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Wow great information will do this to my SSD once I go for round two of building my new computer tomorrow. Does my 30gb Kingston SSD have trim?
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Tips On RAID 0
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Fairly sure NCQ is just when using a raid array, and nothing to do with a single drive. My vertex2's in raid0 didn't hit thier full potential till i used the raidXpert AMD program as menched earlier. The whole raid thing was doing my crust in took aeons as it was my first EVER attempt at Raid.

Bloke on ocz forum said I should use the program and enable NCQ or there aint much point bothering with Raid0 otherwise..., I was lothe too as just about had enuff by then! Anyway I did and my read/ writes shot way up over prior benchmarks.

Thing was I hadn't accounted for longer boot times! So after spending all day setting raid up I broke the array , loaded windows back on a single disk n flogged the other! "It's all a learning curve" I try to convince da misses with! lol

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is it the same alignment if in raid?

Not sure about Raid Yet.. Just started the forum so I am still learning as well. just wanted to help out as much as I can.
    
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SSD 60g OS. 500GB + 300 GB VelociRaptor 10000 rpm PLEXTOR PX-850SA Windows 7 Professional SAMSUNG 920 BW 
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Phenom II 940 BE ASUS M3A32-MVP DELUXE Wifi Sapphire 5770x2 Crossfire 4 Gb. of G.Skill 5-5-5-15 1066 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD 60g OS. 500GB + 300 GB VelociRaptor 10000 rpm PLEXTOR PX-850SA Windows 7 Professional SAMSUNG 920 BW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Cyborg HX1000 Watt Corsair modular CM STACKER ENIGMA EDITION Microsoft SideWinder Gaming Mouse 
Mouse Pad
Black Leather with grey stitching 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II 940 BE ASUS M3A32-MVP DELUXE Wifi Sapphire 5770x2 Crossfire 4 Gb. of G.Skill 5-5-5-15 1066 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
SSD 60g OS. 500GB + 300 GB VelociRaptor 10000 rpm PLEXTOR PX-850SA Windows 7 Professional SAMSUNG 920 BW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Cyborg HX1000 Watt Corsair modular CM STACKER ENIGMA EDITION Microsoft SideWinder Gaming Mouse 
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Black Leather with grey stitching 
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Holy moly. Information overload on my brain.
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AMD A10 7850K ASUS A88X-Pro Sapphire 290x Patriot Viper Extreme Division 4 
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OCZ Vertex 460 WD 1TB Blue Koolance 380A EK-FC R9-290X 
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Windows 8.1 64-bit DUCKY! Antec HCP 850W Hand built wooden desk 
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Logitech G700S 
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AMD FX-8350 @ 5ghz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX Sapphire 280x Sapphire 280x 
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Patriot Viper Xtreme Div4 1866mhz 60GB Vertex2 WD Caviar 500AAKS CoolerMaster Geminii S 
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Windows 7 64 bit CRT monitor EVGA 1000W G2 Home made bench 
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My gaming desk
(13 items)
 
Miner
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10 7850K ASUS A88X-Pro Sapphire 290x Patriot Viper Extreme Division 4 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
OCZ Vertex 460 WD 1TB Blue Koolance 380A EK-FC R9-290X 
OSKeyboardPowerCase
Windows 8.1 64-bit DUCKY! Antec HCP 850W Hand built wooden desk 
Mouse
Logitech G700S 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD FX-8350 @ 5ghz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX Sapphire 280x Sapphire 280x 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Patriot Viper Xtreme Div4 1866mhz 60GB Vertex2 WD Caviar 500AAKS CoolerMaster Geminii S 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 64 bit CRT monitor EVGA 1000W G2 Home made bench 
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