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Originally Posted by d3viliz3d

Filters, speed throttling and interceptions will be treated as illegal and prosecuted.

Wow. Big move! Good for them!

 

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On 8 May 2012 The Netherlands adopted crucial legislation to safeguard an open and secure internet in The Netherlands. It is the first country in Europe to implement net neutrality in the law. In addition, it adopted provisions protecting users against disconnection and wiretapping by providers. Digital rights movement Bits of Freedom calls upon other countries to follow the Dutch example.

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Filters, speed throttling and interceptions will be treated as illegal and prosecuted.
Well, Netherlands here I come! gratz to all the Dutch friends here!

finally, a country that recognizes the internet as a vital outlet to free speech and thus, needs to be protected

there might be problems with the network slowing down if there is no throttling, but if ISP's spent just a little of their billions in profits on upgrading networking infrastructure, then that would be no problem

 

Interesting, doubt the UK will be seeing anything like that...

 

Does this mean the pirate bay will be unblocked and BREIN can no longer prosecute the pirates ?

 

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Interesting, doubt the UK will be seeing anything like that...

Lol mind Italy...
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Originally Posted by Xenthos

Does this mean the pirate bay will be unblocked and BREIN can no longer prosecute the pirates ?

It looks as simple as that. Added a pic to the OP which says it all.

 

Well it wasn't like the netherlands had a respectable media industry to begin with.

Wonder how this plays out and if the rest of the world jumps on.

 

Wow.. hope this works out for them. But wont ISPs just lower speeds then if people can download 24/7?

 

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Wow.. hope this works out for them. But wont ISPs just lower speeds then if people can download 24/7?

If they ain't allowed to throttle people wouldn't the usage just lock at 100% and everyone's routers would time-out/disconnect?

 

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Well it wasn't like the netherlands had a respectable media industry to begin with.

Wonder how this plays out and if the rest of the world jumps on.

Our media laws aren't restricted to just the domestic market industry, so I don't really get your point there.

I do agree with what you're literally saying though. XD

 

Congrats, smart country.

 

Most broadband is actually massively oversold. If everyone in an area tried to maximise their usage, it'd be 10 times or more the capacity of the pipe into that area. Broadband companies depend on most people just grabbing email before an evening on farcebook or myface. Those of us who use it for more than that thus still get a decent amount of speed (just don't live in a major University dormitory area popular with student homes).

All I have to say to this new law?
HUP HOLLAND!
(That's go Holland in Dutch BTW)

 

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Does this mean the pirate bay will be unblocked and BREIN can no longer prosecute the pirates ?

No. They've been very quick to clarify that any websites that are blocked because of a court order will remain blocked, and will sites will still able to be blocked in the future.

Which is very peculiar because I think that file sharing movies and music (not games and software) is legal for personal use in Holland. Just as it is in Switzerland, and... another country I always forget.

 

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Does this mean the pirate bay will be unblocked and BREIN can no longer prosecute the pirates ?

Nope i don't think so because from now all isp's are suppose to block the pirate bay

 

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One more reason to move. I'm sure if we buy up a whole plane we can get some great discounts, who's in?

 

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No. They've been very quick to clarify that any websites that are blocked because of a court order will remain blocked, and will sites will still able to be blocked in the future.
Which is very peculiar because I think that file sharing movies and music (not games and software) is legal for personal use in Holland. Just as it is in Switzerland, and... another country I always forget.

It goes like this: Downloading is fine, uploading is illegal. So if you download something from someone else, you're not doing anything illegal, but he is. And previously they also ruled that downloading programs (rather than music or video) was not allowed. But as far as actual sanctions or rulings on that, I have yet to hear of one. So by any means, we can download whatever we want, just not upload it.

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Nope i don't think so because from now all isp's are suppose to block the pirate bay

Not all of them, just a couple of big ones. And it's not like they're a dime a dozen anyway.

And since they switched over half of the municipals to fiber optics throttling really was a thing of the past anyway. Now they just made it official.

FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO MOVE HERE, make sure you move to a place that allows for a fiber optic connection. They come very very cheap. 60 euro's a month, that includes TV, a phone connection and internet at 100Mbit up and 100Mbit down. And depending on the ISP, free installation for 2 PC's and 2 TV's (KPN for instance).

 

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It goes like this: Downloading is fine, uploading is illegal. So if you download something from someone else, you're not doing anything illegal, but he is. And previously they also ruled that downloading programs (rather than music or video) was not allowed. But as far as actual sanctions or rulings on that, I have yet to hear of one. So by any means, we can download whatever we want, just not upload it.

That's insane. Thanks for clarifying that though.

 

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One more reason to move. I'm sure if we buy up a whole plane we can get some great discounts, who's in?

ME!!!

Just make sure that everyone onboard runs Linux to avoid... confrontations.

 

Damn, I'm really not one who wants to see Belgium split up but if we do, I so want to join the Netherlands ! (you can keep your lousy accent though

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Seems that people around the world have internet throttling?
not here in the north

would suck tho

 

If only BREIN would go away now

But today the court ordered all other ISP's (large ones atleast) should block TPB. So KPN, T-Mobile, UPC, Tele2, Telfort have to follow XS4ALL and Ziggo with blocking TPB....

 

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ME!!!
Just make sure that everyone onboard runs Linux to avoid... confrontations.

Haha, a plane full of OCN people, it would be a bloodbath.... reminds me of the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny lol

Who would remain standing? Linux, mac, windows, solaris, intel, amd, nvidia, air coolers, folders, candlestick-makers?

 

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Originally Posted by Skiivari

Seems that people around the world have internet throttling?
not here in the north

would suck tho

I don't know. I can get max 3-4 Mbps download speed on my 25 Mb line ( 24 ish according to speedtest) so I don't know if that's throttling. But a certain site is blocked here in Belgium. And I hate the general idea of oppression ^^
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Haha, a plane full of OCN people, it would be a bloodbath.... reminds me of the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny lol

Who would remain standing? Linux, mac, windows, solaris, intel, amd, nvidia, air coolers, folders, candlestick-makers?

"I'm tired of these mfing fanboys on this mfing plane ! " - Samuel L Jackson

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Or a better idea: The Hardware Games . Let forum members fight for hardware. That would be television

 

I was always under the impression that "Net Neutrality" law is one of the worst things for consumers. Wouldn't you rather have the ability to speak with your wallet to effect ISPs as opposed to fold to the whim of what your government law thinks you can and cannot legally do with your internet connection? It's rare that any NN law that governs how your ISP can act goes without stipulations of how a user can act.

If ISPs (specifically large ISPs) continue to impose throttling and filtering (which consumers don't want), it's only a matter of a short period of time before a smaller ISP comes in to offer what the consumers prefer. Happened where I live (granted, not the netherlands). A small ISP that has no caps and doesn't appear to impose throttling came in, and they have had no problem getting customers. Same price or lower as similar packages with larger providers.

Having net neutrality laws basically means that your ISP doesn't need to respond to consumer demands by speaking with their wallets.

Also, this seems like the first step toward huge limitations and laws on what you're allowed to do on the net, and what you're allowed to access (specifically what you'll be able to access in the future) for your given region. More than it already is.

 

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*SNIP*

"I'm tired of these mfing fanboys on this mfing plane ! " - Samuel L Jackson

*SNIP*

I LOL'ed hard!

But seriously, grats to this...now if only the world would just jump into this.