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Because it is a commercial product. A non-profit project and a commercial product have VERY different quality demands. If MS did it, they would no doubt be doing it for profit, and if people are paying for it, it better damn work. Those emulators that you can use as long as you own the system (legally) are not for profit, you are not paying for them and people's expectations reflect that. Why do you think people are upset when games are buggy? They are not working at 100%, and they did not pay for 90% of a product. When a game on an emulator doesnt work, people dont get all upset and go rant to the programmers. They did not pay for it.

haha yeah i forgot those are/were free roms. But in reality who cares if windows 8 emulates xbox games?
 
Even if it gets a little more than %50 of the xbox 360 I will be happy with it ( more preferably if it were just the exclusives
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I just want an emu to play my games with , not a near perfect emulation , if it did not play this one game or the other , no biggie .

And to his defence the PCSX2 played more than MGS3 . It played almost every game I threw at it whether it was a US game or that one JPN game I played 2 months ago , hell even Dragon Quest V + translation patch (JPN to EN ) ran perfectly on it ...

And for ****s sake I just ran my Evergrace game with rock solid 60 FPS , that was a random game I just pulled from my PS2 collection .

The only I game that I had problems with is Primal , it ran at 15-20 FPS .

One game is nothing if I can play all those 150+ games again and play those JRPGs that I missed .

A small team made all that in 3 years , If MS can just do the same its more than enough for me .
 
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C'mon, this article deserves opinions xD


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Forget it seriously. In the end, we will know who's right next year. You can't predict what's gonna happen next year. Neither do I, so this discussion is pointless.

Well you literally asked for it.

I'm not going to pretend that i know more than either of you, But i just can't see microsoft doing this. Wii U will be the start of new generation of consoles surely M$ is going to follow up shortly if not same year announcement of new console. Why go through Emulating 360 On PC if they're not big fans of M/KB Against Controller, And their market would be PC gamers not people with PC's I agree that you're going to need some decent to serious power to take advantage of this. And as you can see if you just lurk a tad bit more 7/10 PC gamers don't even like the idea of console to begin with so its like opening a candy shop in senior citizen home
 
They have been working on it for 7 years. 71% of games are listed as "playable," but that doesnt mean they are playable 100% of the way through. This is also for a previous gen console, which only really became playable with 3.5GHz+ Core2s and Phenom IIs, and that was usually using speed hacks to raise frame rates, and paired with a 9600GT or better card. Again, that alone would disqualify the average home computer, and again this is for a previous gen console. Ill say it again, if they can manage to make it run on next years top of the line processors and video cards, it will have a TINY market, as those computers will generally be workload computers, and the people that would most likely use it would not have access to the computer power required to run an Xbox 360 game. It is not worth it.
 
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They have been working on it for 7 years. 71% of games are listed as "playable," but that doesnt mean they are playable 100% of the way through. This is also for a previous gen console, which only really became playable with 3.5GHz+ Core2s and Phenom IIs, and that was usually using speed hacks to raise frame rates, and paired with a 9600GT or better card. Again, that alone would disqualify the average home computer, and again this is for a previous gen console. Ill say it again, if they can manage to make it run on next years top of the line processors and video cards, it will have a TINY market, as those computers will generally be workload computers, and the people that would most likely use it would not have access to the computer power required to run an Xbox 360 game. It is not worth it.


Well I thought the development started with the release of capable hardware not before .
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And on their site they say playable means you can get from start to finish just fine (with the some bugs on the way , ofc ) , regardless of FPS count .

So 71 percent of the PS2 library is alot ...
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Anyways , if MS can make x360 games run on W8 , Great ! If not (becuase of hardware limitations ) , I can live and continue with my life just fine
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It's useless to explain these kind of things to a person like you, who thinks he's the owner of the truth and who is never going to accept the fact that there is nothing written about opinions. We will never agree if you have the attitudes you have.

Forget it seriously. In the end, we will know who's right next year. You can't predict what's gonna happen next year. Neither do I, so this discussion is pointless.

Oh no you din't.

Duckie is very intelligent and usually only speaks when he is knowledgeable on a subject. See his 50k posts.
 
PCSX2 is glitchy. Play Valkyrie Profile 2, Star Ocean 3, and other games like that. Weird slowdowns, lines running down the screen, artifacts, etc.

People without backgrounds in computer science, computer engineering, software development, game development, etc. should not make bold claims of easy hardware emulation that come from magic.
 
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In your very limited time here, you still haven't learned one of the amazing truths of OCN... Duckie doesn't speak unless he knows what he's talking about. He's made over 50,000 posts, so he knows a lot about what he's talking about.
And? For having 50K post, he has to be the owner of the truth, or know more than anyone? Your statement there is not valid. I can't say: "I have the truth because I've been at the forum for a long time and I have 50K posts" Life would be simpler if things would be like that. And don't come here saying "He has more experience than you" because you don't know which is my experience (if that was what you wanted to say with your message). Yeah, he can have more posts, but that doesn't represent anything in regards to experience.
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Also, Precarious? There's nothing "precarious" about the Gamecube, or its technology.
I bet no, but it's precarious COMPARED to the newer technology. And yeah, it is like that.

"Newer technology leaves precarious the older technology"
 
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Oh no you din't.

Duckie is very intelligent and usually only speaks when he is knowledgeable on a subject. See his 50k posts.
Arrrghh dude, do you know how many 52,195 posts are??????? You seem not to have a clue. He registered in November 2006. He has been on the forum for 46 months (1380 days approximately). If he has 52.195 post that means that on average he made 37 posts per day!!! Are you sure he only speaks when he knows?

Guys please, be more rational when you talk...
 
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No, PSP does not run PS games. It runs PSP games that are copies of PS games in PSP code, not PS games directly. You cant just throw an image of a PS game onto a PSP and run it.
Yes, you can actually.

That said, it's not perfect.

oh, and they were both mips CPUs.
 
Saizer, what programming experience or computer science background do you have? Please stop attempting to base your case on limited information or without understanding design.

Like I already said... If XBox is to work on W8, I do not believe it will be emulation but a translation layer. Emulation is computationally expensive and may not be necessary.
 
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Saizer, what programming experience or computer science background do you have? Please stop attempting to base your case on limited information or without understanding design.

Like I already said... If XBox is to work on W8, I do not believe it will be emulation but a translation layer. Emulation is computationally expensive and may not be necessary.
What is "emulating a translation layer"
 
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What is "emulating a translation layer"
I never said "emulating a translation layer". I said not an emulator but a translation layer.

An emulator basically is software that tries to replicate hardware and this is very computationally expensive. Imagine trying to replicate a NVIDIA GPU in software. Actually, this DOES happen during the design phase.... however, it requires massive amounts of server processing power. (http://www.anandtech.com/print/998)

A translation or compatibility layer is software that replicate software calls. Instead of duplicating all the underlying hardware, this just converts the the native command to something that the host system can understand. If MS was to implement XBox on PC, I would think it would be done something more like Wine: http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths#head-7c9ecddfaff60d8891414b68d74277244e7109eb

Silly Example...
I have a touchscreen virtual keyboard on my tablet and want to interface with my desktop. Which is faster:
1) Use the tablet to control a robotic hands that types on my desktop's physical keyboard. (Emulator)
2) Use the tablet to control a full body replica that types on my desktop's physical keyboard. (Really Good Emulator)
3) Plug my tablet into desktop via USB and have some piece of software convert the tablet virtual keyboard signals into keyboard input. (Translation Layer)
 
Please op stop commenting on something you don't know much about. Yes psxe runs a few games and a lot of them have major graphical glitches and frame rate issues even on top of the line hard ware. Ms can't get xbox 1 to work all that, great on the 360, which is much more powerful then the original xbox. Emulation requires much more power then the original hardware. Gamecube for example isn't overly powerful and we, manage to run a bunch of games but with graphical issues, frame rate issues and again theres fairly high requirements for it. Neither of those emulators are in a state that could be commercialized, even after years and years of development.

Yes I'm on a phone.
 
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I never said "emulating a translation layer". I said not an emulator but a translation layer.

An emulator basically is software that tries to replicate hardware and this is very computationally expensive. Imagine trying to replicate a NVIDIA GPU in software. Actually, this DOES happen during the design phase.... however, it requires massive amounts of server processing power. (http://www.anandtech.com/print/998)

A translation or compatibility layer is software that replicate software calls. Instead of duplicating all the underlying hardware, this just converts the the native command to something that the host system can understand. If MS was to implement XBox on PC, I would think it would be done something more like Wine: http://wiki.winehq.org/Debunking_Wine_Myths#head-7c9ecddfaff60d8891414b68d74277244e7109eb

Silly Example...
I have a touchscreen virtual keyboard on my tablet and want to interface with my desktop. Which is faster:
1) Use the tablet to control a robotic hands that types on my desktop's physical keyboard. (Emulator)
2) Use the tablet to control a full body replica that types on my desktop's physical keyboard. (Really Good Emulator)
3) Plug my tablet into desktop via USB and have some piece of software convert the tablet virtual keyboard signals into keyboard input. (Translation Layer)
Nice.

But in the end, what really matters is to play the xbox 360 games on the PC; if you're using an emulator or a translation layer, meh, its the same thing.

p.d: I'll give you +1 in REP
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p.d 2: **** I can't >.<.

p.d 3: Holy hell, I messed up with a moderator >>>>.<<<<<

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But in the end, what really matters is to play the xbox 360 games on the PC; if you're using an emulator or a translation layer, meh, its the same thing.
...but it's not the same thing.

What you just said would be like:
A non-gamer saying that the PS3 and a PC is the same thing since they both play games. This completely ignores many details of hardware, design, and usage differences.
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