[TF] The Pirate Bay Moves to .SE Domain To Prevent Domain Seizure
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pirate bay moved on?unlikely!what they did tho was probably this copied everything and sent it all over the web if i am right!where there was one pirate bay before there wi ll be a hundred similar site but with different page etc within a week!happen all the time!it is called retaliation!
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Good luck with that. Both sides need to agree for extradition to happen. Its legal in Sweden, and they are Swedish. Its impossible until Sweden makes it illegal.
Hey Swedish Gov't, we want to extradite some Swedish people from Sweden because they did something that is legal in Sweden.Originally Posted by AMD4ME
Ever heard of extradition?
Good luck with that. Both sides need to agree for extradition to happen. Its legal in Sweden, and they are Swedish. Its impossible until Sweden makes it illegal.
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I support the existence of the pirate bay. However, you can't use thing like there are legal stuff on the bay too so therefore all the pirated stuff should be disregarded in this conversation.
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Simple, they want to have free stuff and make tons of excuses and imply that stealing the hard work of other people is some sort of "crusade", last I check stealing isn't freedom of speech, I guess if someone stole their car it was to express a noble idea and stick it to the MAN.Originally Posted by leafan101
I don't see why any law abiding person wouldn't support the destruction of pirating sights and the imprisonment of it's owners. What is the prevailing argument for supporting the Pirate Bay?
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Riiiiight, we all know people use the Pirate Bay primarily to download linux isos, that's why it's still under 1% marketshare...
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Because stealing a car is the same as downloading content, right? Man, I think you'd be a great politician.Originally Posted by Telimektar
Simple, they want to have free stuff and make tons of excuses and imply that stealing the hard work of other people is some sort of "crusade", last I check stealing isn't freedom of speech, I guess if someone stole their car it was to express a noble idea and stick it to the MAN.
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Riiiiight, we all know people use the Pirate Bay primarily to download linux isos, that's why it's still under 1% marketshare...
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Even if there's no physical loss it's still theft, wether you want to call it "copyright infrigement" or not, acquiring paid contents illegally for free is stealing it.Originally Posted by ChvyVele
Because stealing a car is the same as downloading content, right? Man, I think you'd be a great politician.
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I never said the people who use TPB primarily use it to download open source software. But I am one of the people who does use it for that sort of thing. The last thing I downloaded from there is that GTA IV to GTA VC mod (in public beta) It's just over 1.1GB there is no way I am downloading that from one of the official servers at 30KB/sOriginally Posted by Telimektar
Riiiiight, we all know people use the Pirate Bay primarily to download linux isos, that's why it's still under 1% marketshare...
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It's not really theft though is it? It's copying. I am not saying it is right that people should download copyrighted things but when you were in school and you had to write something down that was in a text book, you are copying. By your logic that would be stealing and you shouldn't have been aloud to pass that particular subject and instead you should have gone to prison for copying something.Originally Posted by Telimektar
Even if there's no physical loss it's still theft, wether you want to call it "copyright infrigement" or not, acquiring paid contents illegally for free is stealing it.
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You do not need to analyze it or find the deeper meaning behind it. Some one gets something for free that was not a gift, prize, or other legitimate way to get something for free. It is stolen.
and copying word for word out of a school book would be plagiarism which is one of the many subtle levels of what we all know as theft. You are stealing some one else's work. Though usually school books will be a little more lenient on this subject as they are a special case.
Inb4 that dumb pig pic...Originally Posted by andrews2547
It's not really theft though is it? It's copying. I am not saying it is right that people should download copyrighted things but when you were in school and you had to write something down that was in a text book, you are copying. By your logic that would be stealing and you shouldn't have been aloud to pass that particular subject and instead you should have gone to prison for copying something.
You do not need to analyze it or find the deeper meaning behind it. Some one gets something for free that was not a gift, prize, or other legitimate way to get something for free. It is stolen.
and copying word for word out of a school book would be plagiarism which is one of the many subtle levels of what we all know as theft. You are stealing some one else's work. Though usually school books will be a little more lenient on this subject as they are a special case.
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If I had the ability to allow people to come into my house and make a full copy of any physical object I own I'd GLADLY allow them to. Comparing stealing physical goods as opposed to pirating software is ridiculous. There's no real limit to how many copies of your digital software you can produce. Overall it's a pretty sure bet that if your $500 software wasn't easily pirated, the people who would have pirated it weren't buying it anyways.
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The only way to really put a dent in piracy, is to take down the internet as a whole. After that? We go back to passing around CD's ( or even better our iPods and external hard drives ) to friends so they can get the music. A few people buy, and hand out to the rest physically. Now, would that be considered piracy? You bought the disc, used it, and gave it away... you still have the music but so does the next person and the next and so on.
As for the whole torrenting is only used for piracy bs, again like the rest of the world, 1 person ruins it for the rest. I seed torrents all day long, all linux distro's and open source programs (repository), which are all 100% legal.
Piracy has been around long looooooooooooong before the internet and machines. Even back in the day when books, yes books, first started coming around, people would copy them. And it's only evolved and grown with time. But you're right it'll never go away.Originally Posted by andrews2547
This as well, piracy has been around since someone decided it would be a good idea to create machines that could copy/store something and even if the internet gets taken down completely it still won't be the end of piracy.
The only way to really put a dent in piracy, is to take down the internet as a whole. After that? We go back to passing around CD's ( or even better our iPods and external hard drives ) to friends so they can get the music. A few people buy, and hand out to the rest physically. Now, would that be considered piracy? You bought the disc, used it, and gave it away... you still have the music but so does the next person and the next and so on.
As for the whole torrenting is only used for piracy bs, again like the rest of the world, 1 person ruins it for the rest. I seed torrents all day long, all linux distro's and open source programs (repository), which are all 100% legal.
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The issue is just a bit over-exaggerated. Before we had so many mediums of pirating online, we had CD burners and even cassette tape recorders to record music playing over radio stations. Yes, there are MORE and EASIER ways to pirate now; you search, you click, you have it, but that's (analogically) no different from street criminals having easier access to guns and other tools. Piracy is unstoppable just like street crime. It's impossible to eliminate all the scum off the streets. 1. There's no room to keep them all. 2. There aren't enough officers in the world to catch 'em all. 3. There isn't enough enough money to pay those officers. 4. The criminals will always eventually get ahead just like the pirates. All in all, GG government/RIAA/MPAA.Originally Posted by Shrak
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Piracy has been around long looooooooooooong before the internet and machines. Even back in the day when books, yes books, first started coming around, people would copy them. And it's only evolved and grown with time. But you're right it'll never go away.Originally Posted by andrews2547
This as well, piracy has been around since someone decided it would be a good idea to create machines that could copy/store something and even if the internet gets taken down completely it still won't be the end of piracy.
The only way to really put a dent in piracy, is to take down the internet as a whole. After that? We go back to passing around CD's ( or even better our iPods and external hard drives ) to friends so they can get the music. A few people buy, and hand out to the rest physically. Now, would that be considered piracy? You bought the disc, used it, and gave it away... you still have the music but so does the next person and the next and so on.
As for the whole torrenting is only used for piracy bs, again like the rest of the world, 1 person ruins it for the rest. I seed torrents all day long, all linux distro's and open source programs (repository), which are all 100% legal.
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I probably would too, but if your job was to manufacture home furnitures, would you still let people make a copy of your products ? How would you feed and clothe your family then ?Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros
If I had the ability to allow people to come into my house and make a full copy of any physical object I own I'd GLADLY allow them to. Comparing stealing physical goods as opposed to pirating software is ridiculous. There's no real limit to how many copies of your digital software you can produce. Overall it's a pretty sure bet that if your $500 software wasn't easily pirated, the people who would have pirated it weren't buying it anyways.
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I agree completely that's the issue has been greatly over-exaggerated.Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros
The issue is just a bit over-exaggerated. Before we had so many mediums of pirating online, we had CD burners and even cassette tape recorders to record music playing over radio stations. Yes, there are MORE and EASIER ways to pirate now; you search, you click, you have it, but that's (analogically) no different from street criminals having easier access to guns and other tools. Piracy is unstoppable just like street crime. It's impossible to eliminate all the scum off the streets. 1. There's no room to keep them all. 2. There aren't enough officers in the world to catch 'em all. 3. There isn't enough enough money to pay those officers. 4. The criminals will always eventually get ahead just like the pirates. All in all, GG government/RIAA/MPAA.
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I wish them luck. They should start dressing in pink as I hear it brings good luck.
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If you're a developer that sells ~$100 software, and another company distributes their own software that is practically the same for free, causing you to lose thousands of customers, do you think it's right for you to be mad about it and blame the customers for going with the free option? Slightly different perspective in this situation but it's more or less the same idea. The customers are going to get what they can afford, and $100+ software isn't it. My opinion on piracy overall: set better prices and the giants may not be in the same situation.
If I were the manufacturer, yes, I'd be pissed that my possible customers are getting their furniture through ANY other means period, regardless of whether they pay for it or not.Originally Posted by Telimektar
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I probably would too, but if your job was to manufacture home furnitures, would you still let people make a copy of your products ? How would you feed and clothe your family then ?Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros
If I had the ability to allow people to come into my house and make a full copy of any physical object I own I'd GLADLY allow them to. Comparing stealing physical goods as opposed to pirating software is ridiculous. There's no real limit to how many copies of your digital software you can produce. Overall it's a pretty sure bet that if your $500 software wasn't easily pirated, the people who would have pirated it weren't buying it anyways.
If you're a developer that sells ~$100 software, and another company distributes their own software that is practically the same for free, causing you to lose thousands of customers, do you think it's right for you to be mad about it and blame the customers for going with the free option? Slightly different perspective in this situation but it's more or less the same idea. The customers are going to get what they can afford, and $100+ software isn't it. My opinion on piracy overall: set better prices and the giants may not be in the same situation.
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i guarranty you would not gonna say that if you are a programmer or designer or any related stuff. you would not want people just copying your designs or programs for freeOriginally Posted by Stealth Pyros
If I had the ability to allow people to come into my house and make a full copy of any physical object I own I'd GLADLY allow them to. Comparing stealing physical goods as opposed to pirating software is ridiculous. There's no real limit to how many copies of your digital software you can produce. Overall it's a pretty sure bet that if your $500 software wasn't easily pirated, the people who would have pirated it weren't buying it anyways.
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So are the companies REALLY losing out on money? No.
The problem with this is, most that pirate wouldn't buy the program regardless of price, so that removes the whole `potential customers` variable. They wouldn't be a customer one way or another, they either get it free or they don't get it at all.Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros
If I were the manufacturer, yes, I'd be pissed that my possible customers are getting their furniture through ANY other means period, regardless of whether they pay for it or not.
If you're a developer that sells ~$100 software, and another company distributes their own software that is practically the same for free, causing you to lose thousands of customers, do you think it's right for you to be mad about it and blame the customers for going with the free option? Slightly different perspective in this situation but it's more or less the same idea. The customers are going to get what they can afford, and $100+ software isn't it. My opinion on piracy overall: set better prices and the giants may not be in the same situation.
So are the companies REALLY losing out on money? No.
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