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LeMonarque

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How bad is it? I want an IPS monitor, but they all refresh at 60Hz. I hear a lot about tearing at framerates above 60Hz, but I'm not really sure how bad it is. What would the tearing be like at say...130 fps on a 60Hz monitor? Deciding between the ASUS VG248QE TN 144Hz and the ASUS MX239H IPS 60Hz.

And also, do you think it's a waste of money if my GPU can output 120+fps in my games and I cap it at 60 fps to run smoothly on a 60Hz monitor? I really like the color benefits of IPS, but I don't want to short-change the power of my graphics card...

But like I said, I don't know how bad tearing is. If it's bad then I'll suck it up and get the VG248QE, or if you guys don't think it's a waste to use vsync or fps target in GPU Boost 2.0, then I'll get the MX239H.
 
If you have a 60hz monitor, there is no reason to bother running 120 fps. You won't be getting the same effect at all.

If you are gaming on 120/144hz just to "not short change the power of your graphics card" then you are doing it wrong anyways.
 
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Originally Posted by Masta Squidge View Post

If you have a 60hz monitor, there is no reason to bother running 120 fps. You won't be getting the same effect at all.

If you are gaming on 120/144hz just to "not short change the power of your graphics card" then you are doing it wrong anyways.
So which would you buy? If you max the games you play at 120 fps, would you buy a 60Hz IPS and set an FPS target/use adaptive vsync or a 144Hz TN and just let the card loose?
 
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Deciding between the ASUS VG248QE TN 144Hz and the ASUS MX239H IPS 60Hz.
Buy neither. Get a QNix QX2710 and clock it up to 96Hz refresh rate through the Nvidia control panel. Then you have a 1440p IPS and are gaming at 96Hz which is WAY better than 60Hz refresh. If capable, you can unlock the graphics drivers and possibly run the monitor at 120Hz too (most people can) so then you are not going down in any way, only upgrading the color, resolution., and viewing angles.

The important thing with getting a good frame rate is not your max FPS, you need to have a good minimum FPS. Capping your graphics card to your refresh rate is not a bad thing as it removes tearing and will let the graphics card run a little bit cooler usually since it isnt trying to render as fast as possible at all times. You do increase your input lag slightly, but not so much that it is really noticeable. And if/when you enable vsync, you will want to run the Adaptive vsync from the control panel because it works better and wont cause you performance issues when your FPS drops below the monitor refresh rate.
 
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Buy neither. Get a QNix QX2710 and clock it up to 96Hz refresh rate through the Nvidia control panel. Then you have a 1440p IPS and are gaming at 96Hz which is WAY better than 60Hz refresh. If capable, you can unlock the graphics drivers and possibly run the monitor at 120Hz too (most people can) so then you are not going down in any way, only upgrading the color, resolution., and viewing angles. Way cheaper to get this monitor too.
EDIT: Fail me, wrong thread.

Just ignore me.
 
can't say what 120Hz looks like but you should always aim to run in vsync with your monitor otherwise you'll get tearing at anything above it's refresh. At EXACTLY 120Hz you shouldn't get any tearing though as your monitor should just display every odd or even frame rendered by the GPU. However it would be pointless to do this as it would be indistinguishable to running the game at 60Hz except for when the GPU couldn't keep up and you'd get tearing at any rate between 61 and 119 Hz.

I think adaptive vsync is more to combat microsturrering in SLI configurations as the frame rendering time for each card is not deterministic so capping to vsync can introduce stuttering as one card has to wait for the other to finish.

Personally I'd take (and have) an IPS panel over a TN screen any day, 120Hz or not. 60Hz is plenty smooth for me and I'd rather have consistent 60Hz than intermittent 120Hz. Most current high end games with all the settings up full won't be able to continuously maintain minimums of 60Hz let alone 120Hz
 
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I like my Catleap a little better overall, but an overclocking (2B) catleap is more than double the price of the QNix, which all models of the QNix can overclock it seems.
I just found this on Ebay, and sold by green_sum no less
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/141016682918

The only thing is that it's not a "pixel perfect" version. It's $600, which is about the price of the ASUS PB278Q 60Hz PLS... So indecisive. QNix 120Hz pixel perfect, Catleap 2B 120Hz non pixel perfect, or ASUS 60Hz and peace of mind?
 
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Originally Posted by LeMonarque View Post

I just found this on Ebay, and sold by green_sum no less
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The only thing is that it's not a "pixel perfect" version. It's $600, which is about the price of the ASUS PB278Q 60Hz PLS... So indecisive. QNix 120Hz pixel perfect, Catleap 2B 120Hz non pixel perfect, or ASUS 60Hz and peace of mind?
That is a tough call, they are all nice monitors. Ill try and break it down a bit for you and hope it helps:

The ASUS is a "name brand" and the panel is very nice. It is however the exact same panel you will find in the much cheaper QNix. The primary advantage of this is you have a 2-3x better chance of not getting a bad pixel over the QNix brand monitors. Another advantage is the much better stand, but that doesnt matter really because you can get a stand just as good or better and mount the QNix to it and still be saving money over the ASUS.
The disadvantage of this monitor is that you are limited to 60Hz motion and no lightboost to help things along either.

The Yamakasi Catleap is also a name brand to anyone in the enthusiast circle. Anyone outside of the upper group of gamers and computer enthusiasts has no idea what this brand is, but that shouldn't matter since it is your monitor, not theirs. This monitor also has the potential of being the best, because it offers 50% higher resolution than standard HD 1080p, while also having the smoother motion of the nicer monitors available. The downsides to this are of course the extra cost and also not guaranteed a perfect monitor pixel wise.

The QNix is just like the ASUS, but much cheaper and lesser guarantee about pixels. But with the price so low, you could almost pay for 2 of these for the price of 1 ASUS brand monitor like this.

I have both a Yamakasi Catleap 2B (overclocks to 130Hz) that has 1 dead pixel, and a QNix that also overclocks to 120Hz and has 1 bad pixel. I think it important that I tell you that even though both monitors have a single dead pixel, I do not notice it on either monitor at all. 1 pixel cant be seen from 3 feet away, I have to be within a foot of the monitor to see the blemish, and only then when I am actually trying to find it. So the possible downside of having 1 or 2 bad pixels is worth it to me because I know from firsthand experience that I never notice it at all. The one thing I would not be able to accept though is if the dead pixel was a "bright pixel" stuck on some color. Both monitors of mine had a dead pixel that is black.

So my recommendation would be to either buy the QNix and a nice stand and save $200 or buy the Catleap and OC it to 120Hz if you would prefer the smoother motion. I did both and dont regret owning either.
 
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