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http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/node-series/node-804

I've always had a problem with the standard tower case design. The motherboard goes up top, but up top you have the 5.25 bays instead of intakes. (Even if you mod the 5.25 bays you need three of them to add a single 120mm.) The intakes are on the bottom front, but that's also where the hdd cages and drives go, and even without those, a performance gpu (usually long) bisects the airflow coming in. So you need to create an airflow path that comes in from the bottom front, maneuvers around/past hdd cages and gpu, and somehow follow a sharp bend and make it to the cpu cooler and out the top rear. Just as a matter of physics this seems needlessly convoluted.

I undersrand plenty of folks make this work just fine. My Define R4 was working fine too -- until I fully populated the hdd cages, absolutely crushing the front intakes to uselessness, and got a 290mm hot gpu. And then my D14 temps went up 10c+. I modded the 5.25 bays to add some more air. Had minimal effect. I can have great cooling, or a lot of hdds, I can't have both, in the Define R4. And if I'm not going to have a lot of hdds, why do I have a full atx board and a big case? Unless I'm running triple gpu there doesn't seem to be a point.

The FT02 had the right idea with a straight path airflow from intakes to cpu cooler/gpu and out the back with psu and hdd cages out of the way. But then they rotated the board mount so air moves from bottom to top. You need a specific type of gpu cooler to make that work, even SIlverstone says so. The FT04 corrected that flaw, but then they put the hdd cage in front of the intake.

Enter the Node 804. If I were asked to design a case, this pretty much would have been it.

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PSU and hdd cages are segregated into their own chamber, which you can use to install custom loop gear instead of hdds. In the motherboard compartment, you have a 120mm intake with a direct path to the cpu cooler and out the back, nothing can get in the way. The gpu gets its own front 120mm intake as well as bottom mounted double 80mms also being an option. Space up top to mount twin 280mm rads, or you could mount a single 280mm on either side. There's also a 140mm mount in the psu/hdd chamber for a smaller push-pull rad. No restriction on psu length. It's even got a big window and all cabling can be stuffed into the psu/hdd chamber for maximum presentability.

There's other cases similar to this obviously, but where the Node 804 takes the crown is, unlike those other dual compartment cases, this one can mount 10 (actually 12) 3.5" hdds with straight air path intakes cooling them, and all intakes are filtered. The dual 280mm mounts up top is also unusual.

So, unless you're running triple gpu, this seems to me as close to perfect as you can get in case design right now. About the only change I would make, is increase the dimensions half an inch all around. This would allow longer gpu, push-pull up top, and an option for a vertically mounted slim odd along the outer edge of the psu/hdd chamber. Maybe also replace the dual 80mm mounts in the bottom for a single 140mm. Other than that, this case is exactly what I want. And it comes from a manufacturer I respect as quality.
 
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Very few posts anywhere referring to this case, so I am glad to see someone started one. I picked up this case a week ago thinking it would be an awesome case. I am currently using an R4 and still have the Define Mini. This case intrigues me greatly for its compactness. A couple questions for you all who have this setup:

1. What matx motherboard did you choose? I am going to be using an i5 4690k in here, and it seems impossible to find a motherboard what would look half-decent in a case such as this, which should not be at all hard to find something for. I currently have the Asus z97m-pro in my possession which would work, but I would like something with sli support.

2. As cpu coolers are concerned, what will fit? Are we only relegated to single-tower or low-pro coolers (air) or watercooling? I have had my eye on the Phanteks dual tower, but it seems that will block the first PCIe slot. I am aiming for an acoustic-oriented (read: quiet) build.

Thanks in Advance for any suggestions.
 
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Originally Posted by leftythrillz View Post

Very few posts anywhere referring to this case, so I am glad to see someone started one. I picked up this case a week ago thinking it would be an awesome case. I am currently using an R4 and still have the Define Mini. This case intrigues me greatly for its compactness. A couple questions for you all who have this setup:

1. What matx motherboard did you choose? I am going to be using an i5 4690k in here, and it seems impossible to find a motherboard what would look half-decent in a case such as this, which should not be at all hard to find something for. I currently have the Asus z97m-pro in my possession which would work, but I would like something with sli support.

2. As cpu coolers are concerned, what will fit? Are we only relegated to single-tower or low-pro coolers (air) or watercooling? I have had my eye on the Phanteks dual tower, but it seems that will block the first PCIe slot. I am aiming for an acoustic-oriented (read: quiet) build.

Thanks in Advance for any suggestions.
Heh I too am going from a Define R4 to the Node 804. I was all set to pick up a Node 304 and I'm glad I procrastinate so much because they announced the 804 before I got around to it,

I'm going with a Maximus VII Gene, it's early days yet but I think that's the top z97 matx board atm. Looks wise I'm not crazy about anything ROG, but for what this board offers I'd pick it if it was hot pink with lime green accents. Audio chip separated on to a daughterboard to shield from board interference, mini pcie combo slot, 60mm/80mm m.2 slot, 8 sata IIIs, 8 power phases, 5 fan headers (only cpu and cpu opt are pwm however), big heatsinks over the chipsets with even a heatpipe connecting them, etc etc. For $200 I don't think this can be beat atm. But I need the 8 sata ports though, if I didn't need those and could pick up a different board for substantially less I might consider it. It would have to be substantially cheaper though, for $30 extra or so I'd take the extra features and 8 power phases of the Maximus VII Gene. It does offer x8/x8 dual gpu.

For coolers I have a different thread on that subject: http://www.overclock.net/t/1513802/best-cooler-smaller-than-d14-130mm-or-less-wide/0_100#post_22875758

I think the Prolimatech Megahalems Rev B (or C, same thing) is a solid pick, I think I'll do either that if I don't do the h100i. It's not cheap but it seems a good performer and the fan mounting is so nice and easy, I use the Megahalems fan clips whenever I can (on my D14 currently, for example). The Megahalems does not come with fans, so you can pick a quiet one. I don't think any of the 140mm+ wide twin tower coolers like the TC14PE or D14 will fit without blocking the x16 slot. Maybe the D14 might, if you were willing to insulate the fan clips and have them pressing up against your gpu. I'm not into ghetto solutions though, I'd rather just pick a cooler that actually fits without looking all hillbilly.

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if i were on air, i'd go with this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608040

but an h100i also sounds great for this case. i have one 240 now and will add a second when i get my 970.
I'm not a fan of the U12s. With Noctua in general, I think you go big or you go elsewhere, because once you go below the D14 and U14s, price/performance gets ridiculously bad. Something like a Cooler Master TX3 can be had for $20 and it will perform close to the U12s and better than any Noctua below that probably. You can't beat the look and feel of a Noctua though, I do love all their products in that regard.

I think it's coming down to Megahalems or h100i for me. I generally prefer air to AIOs but having that extra thermal overhead with the h100i might be nice. And it would be nice to see my motherboard and reach the connectors for a change without a gigantic heatsink blocking everything.
 
A thread about the case I want, but no information as to the OP's configuration with all the hard drives? I am planning on a minimum of six 3.5" HDD, but I'm not sure how well that will fit with all the wires needed to accommodate 6 or more drives. I've seen almost no pics online of this case stocked full of hard drives, which makes me think it's completely unworkable, and the case design is for show. Coincidentally, like some of the other posters here, I also have a Fractal Design XL as my current media server, but this one would look so much nicer as a NAS box/backup box to keep the functionality of my different builds separate.

If the OP happens upon this post, please update.
 
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A thread about the case I want, but no information as to the OP's configuration with all the hard drives? I am planning on a minimum of six 3.5" HDD, but I'm not sure how well that will fit with all the wires needed to accommodate 6 or more drives. I've seen almost no pics online of this case stocked full of hard drives, which makes me think it's completely unworkable, and the case design is for show. Coincidentally, like some of the other posters here, I also have a Fractal Design XL as my current media server, but this one would look so much nicer as a NAS box/backup box to keep the functionality of my different builds separate.

If the OP happens upon this post, please update.
I haven't put it together yet, working on this and an Enthoo Primo water cooled at the same time, and the Primo has my attention ATM.

But I can't see any problems with the hdds. The right side chamber holds nothing except the hdd cages and the psu. So think of that chamber divided into quarters, one holds psu, two hold hdd cages (mounting 5 drives each), and you have the fourth quarter for cables. Here you see how it looks without cabling, you see how much space is there.



Tons of space. Nice big cutout there too to route sata cables from mobo over to the hdd chamber.
 
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great,Still choosing parts. I'm not going custom loop though, might use an h100i. Finding a top tier air cooler that will fit on a matx isn't easy.thanks
IRgcrh
I made a thread about this, choosing an air cooler for a node 804 matx build, and doyll -- who is a resident air cooling guru -- recommended the Thermalright True Spirit 140 rev A. http://www.overclock.net/t/1513802/best-cooler-smaller-than-d14-130mm-or-less-wide/50_50#post_22902895

The Rev A is offset to clear the first PCI slot, and slightly shorter.http://www.thermalright.com/html/products/cpu_cooler/true_spirit_140_bw_reva.html?panel=1 Unless your mobo has really tall components along the top edge this should fit. Seems like a great performer.

Prolimatech Megahalems should also fit most matx builds.
 
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Originally Posted by shishuise View Post

great,Still choosing parts. I'm not going custom loop though, might use an h100i. Finding a top tier air cooler that will fit on a matx isn't easy.thanks
IRgcrh
I had the same problem with trying to find a cooler (twin tower) that I liked the look of that would also fit. I almost decided on the dx series of Phanteks. Ultimately, I decided to install the H105 with the Noctua F12 fans (not the first and certainly won't be the last with this setup). I couldn't be happier - completely silent!

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A thread about the case I want, but no information as to the OP's configuration with all the hard drives? I am planning on a minimum of six 3.5" HDD, but I'm not sure how well that will fit with all the wires needed to accommodate 6 or more drives. I've seen almost no pics online of this case stocked full of hard drives, which makes me think it's completely unworkable, and the case design is for show. Coincidentally, like some of the other posters here, I also have a Fractal Design XL as my current media server, but this one would look so much nicer as a NAS box/backup box to keep the functionality of my different builds separate.

If the OP happens upon this post, please update.
I have put my setup together with this case. I can confirm, although I don't have the drive config this way, that as far as space goes, you won't have ANY problem fitting a 6 drive config in here. There are two hanger hdd cages that hold 4 hdd each. There is a big cutout in the front that you can route your sata through and the psu is right below the hdd cages. The two issue you may have is heat with that many hdd being right on top of each other and a matx mobo that supports 6/8 sata connectors.
 
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I had the same problem with trying to find a cooler (twin tower) that I liked the look of that would also fit. I almost decided on the dx series of Phanteks. Ultimately, I decided to install the H105 with the Noctua F12 fans (not the first and certainly won't be the last with this setup). I couldn't be happier - completely silent!
Megahalems look pretty good imho, except maybe the transformers styling on top. Basically a twin tower arranged side by side.



Fit matx boards easily.


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I have put my setup together with this case. I can confirm, although I don't have the drive config this way, that as far as space goes, you won't have ANY problem fitting a 6 drive config in here. There are two hanger hdd cages that hold 4 hdd each. There is a big cutout in the front that you can route your sata through and the psu is right below the hdd cages. The two issue you may have is heat with that many hdd being right on top of each other and a matx mobo that supports 6/8 sata connectors.
Oh that's right the hdd cages hold 4 each not 5. Heat-wise those cages have better spacing than bay hdd adapters I've used that don't have heat issues, like the Evercool Armor.

As for sata ports you can get a 2 port Asmedia 1061 pci card for $15. That's the same controller you'd get on atx boards that add to the chipset sata count and a matx board can fit them along with a gpu.
 
Taem, yea the Megahelms does look pretty good in design but, for someone coming from the 212 Evo, the very generic silver heatsink is boring to me. That was one of the selling points for Phanteks for me. (I know, its the stupid little things that erk me.)

As for the hdd cages, they are good spacing wise. I'm just saying in general when you have that many hdd in a setup close together you may have issues, especially since you can't throw fans in the top of that side if you have the cages hanging. There are most certainly add-on cards for additional sata ports, however, just the motherboard MAY be an issue.
 
Ordered it last night, and should get it by Friday. My concern isn't spacing for cooling because I will be using WD Red drives that have been nice and cool in one of the 3 to 4 Optical bay to hard drive bay converters. I am just concerned with the power supply cables, since the SATA plugs are usually not spaced the same as the space between the drives will be. The more drives there are, the closer together they are, and that forces the power cables to bend abnormally and stress the plastic on the hard drive's SATA plug. However, if there are two other slots, I am only forced to use 4 of the hanging slots (although I would rather have them all fit their comfortably), and that will give me good clearance between drives....enough that I may not have to worry at all about the room for cables above the power supply.
 
I think that is the general issue with angled connectors. I never understood why they angled them as it doesn't particularly secure the connection any better than straight cables would. Also, the flex, or lack thereof, of power supply cables in general has me confused.
 
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Ordered it last night, and should get it by Friday. My concern isn't spacing for cooling because I will be using WD Red drives that have been nice and cool in one of the 3 to 4 Optical bay to hard drive bay converters. I am just concerned with the power supply cables, since the SATA plugs are usually not spaced the same as the space between the drives will be. The more drives there are, the closer together they are, and that forces the power cables to bend abnormally and stress the plastic on the hard drive's SATA plug. However, if there are two other slots, I am only forced to use 4 of the hanging slots (although I would rather have them all fit their comfortably), and that will give me good clearance between drives....enough that I may not have to worry at all about the room for cables above the power supply.
You can just get some sata power extension cables



cost $4, $5 at places like Amazon or Newegg, and I'm sure places like Monoprice would have them for half the price. These are much more flexible than the stiff flat ribbon cables that come with psus. You can even get multi connector cables

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Might be a worthwhile investment if you're getting $300 6tb drives, or even $200 4tb hdds and you're worried about damaging the ports on the drives. Because you're right, while there's tons of space for cables, the area where cables actually plug into the drives is rather cramped.
 
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Some would say it is way too big for matx case. Too much space reserved for drives.
For me that's the appeal. It really does fill a niche, I do not know of another matx case that fits so many hdds. The space is utilized to near perfect efficiency, I can't see how they could make it smaller and still fit 8 hdds.

But keep in mind you don't have to put hdds there. Even for a matx build for dual gpu, that chamber can fit a second 240 rad and pump and res, and thermally isolates the psu, while giving you cable management space. So it makes sense for a water cooled dual gpu build also and gives you a case that's half the size of a mid tower.

If you don't need any of that there's the Node 304 for itx.
 
My only concern about this case, is the front panel... Its too blank, and simple, and looks sad...

The case would easy allow a 5.25 space, or even two, for fan controlling.
The Corsair air 240's front panel is much better, since you can remove it without cabling, to simply acces the dust fitlers. And with corsairs case, you can even go horizontal mb, with top window, wich is awesome.
I also dont like the sideways usb's... i build my case in to to furniture (355x355 space), but even if this fits, its simply not ideal.. But then again, the Node is bigger, allowing for much better airflow, and interior...
 
You would need to appreciate a very clean look to appreciate the front panel of this case. More options is not necessarily always better. If they added a 5.25" bay, that would defeat a lot of the purpose of this case and would also not be practical because there is really no room for a cd-rom to protrude into the case. (I know you are talking fan controller, but manufacturers install 5.25" for the majority which means cd-rom.)

The Corsair 240 is nice, but it is also WAY too flimsy of a build overall. The cabling built into the front panel is a slight pain, but not nearly as bad as it looks at first glance. You can also access the dust filters from the opening slot on the bottom of the panel. In a way, I kind of wish they would have done the horizontal mb like the 240, but this case not being symmetrical in design (not shape), such as the 240 is with the open air design all around, it's no surprise that they weren't aiming for the dual-positioning. Overall though, I would take this case over the 240 any day of the week (and being that the 240 is one of the very few alternatives to this, I did consider it as well) because it is built 100x better. I do like Corsair very much, they just need to come up on their build quality of cases.

The one thing that I undoubtedly agree on is the just plain BAD choice of usb placement. I'm not sure what they were thinking when putting them on the entirely opposite side of the case from the window. This way, if you want to see the inside of your setup you have to strain yourself to reach around and plug into the ports if you need to use them. This is one of the cases that they should not have veered from commonplace with front connector placement and left them on top of the case. An aside, my Juiced 10-port usb hub takes care of this issue however.
 
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You would need to appreciate a very clean look to appreciate the front panel of this case. More options is not necessarily always better. If they added a 5.25" bay, that would defeat a lot of the purpose of this case and would also not be practical because there is really no room for a cd-rom to protrude into the case. (I know you are talking fan controller, but manufacturers install 5.25" for the majority which means cd-rom.)

The Corsair 240 is nice, but it is also WAY too flimsy of a build overall. The cabling built into the front panel is a slight pain, but not nearly as bad as it looks at first glance. You can also access the dust filters from the opening slot on the bottom of the panel. In a way, I kind of wish they would have done the horizontal mb like the 240, but this case not being symmetrical in design (not shape), such as the 240 is with the open air design all around, it's no surprise that they weren't aiming for the dual-positioning. Overall though, I would take this case over the 240 any day of the week (and being that the 240 is one of the very few alternatives to this, I did consider it as well) because it is built 100x better. I do like Corsair very much, they just need to come up on their build quality of cases.

The one thing that I undoubtedly agree on is the just plain BAD choice of usb placement. I'm not sure what they were thinking when putting them on the entirely opposite side of the case from the window. This way, if you want to see the inside of your setup you have to strain yourself to reach around and plug into the ports if you need to use them. This is one of the cases that they should not have veered from commonplace with front connector placement and left them on top of the case. An aside, my Juiced 10-port usb hub takes care of this issue however.
Did you see the Antec ISK600M? That kombines the space in the Node with the horizontal mb of the air 240
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I have really high expectations for that case... but i think it wont be as high quality. When it was showcased, i didnt see any dust filters for example.
(with a similar boring front panel tough
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