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Mainly directed to r0ach but thought yall would maybe like to chime in on this aswell.

When I use the timer resolution program to change from the current resolution (1.000) to "Maximum" (0.500) my DPC latency stays the same at ~20, however when I go back to "Default" my DPC sky rockets to ~500 and stays there untill I reboot, it does this on all 3 PCs I tested. Why would that be? not that it matters, but I'm just curious as to why such a simple program can mess up DPC like that.

Also I don't even know what the program really does and what it's benefits are related to mouse movement/gaming, if someone would care to explain I'd be very gratefull
 
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useless software. having 5u or 25u is the same
you will just have to open this program everytime..

and in some cases, like mine in new board, i get worse result with it activated

P L E A S E, go private message with r0ach, i respect but dont make threads about r0ach plzx
 
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He seriously needs his own enthusiast snake oil forum for this stuff and really should stop littering the mice section with it. Most of what he says now is about tiny input lag improvements in general, which isn't even a mice-specific topic.
 
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He seriously needs his own enthusiast snake oil forum for this stuff and really should stop littering the mice section with it. Most of what he says now is about tiny input lag improvements in general, which isn't even a mice-specific topic.
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lol, this. For some reason people seem to think hes an expert in I am not sure what.

I guess I should write a guide with random stuff too like if you can reduce your AC power cord by atleast a feet, well... the power will be... super fast!
 
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it's very easy to install a "service" so it gets automatically reduced to 0.5ms everytime you boot the system

it feels "different" if not more responsive, i use this trick for 1 year now without any noticeable side effects, my motherboard has HPET forced on so i decided to make the most of it by following these simple steps -> http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4495540&postcount=265
 
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useless software. having 5u or 25u is the same
you will just have to open this program everytime..

and in some cases, like mine in new board, i get worse result with it activated
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Pretty easy to notice the difference in a setting of 15 and 1. Windows sets timer resolution to 1 when you run a video already. If your board has a problem with the timer, it's probably because you tried a setting below 1 since Windows uses 1 anyway.

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He seriously needs his own enthusiast snake oil forum for this stuff and really should stop littering the mice section with it. Most of what he says now is about tiny input lag improvements in general, which isn't even a mice-specific topic.
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Oh please, you're the only person on the entire forum that couldn't notice a difference in original Avior 7000 firmware, 3.08 firmware, and 3.38 firmware.
 
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Pretty easy to notice the difference in a setting of 15 and 1. Windows sets timer resolution to 1 when you run a video already. If your board has a problem with the timer, it's probably because you tried a setting below 1 since Windows uses 1 anyway.
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FEEL THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT?
?????????

its NOT 15MS OR 1MS OF INPUTLAG.. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DPC LATEEEENNNCYYYYY
NOT NOTICIABLE 1 TO 100u.

and its FACT, try wikipedia haha [/caps]

sorry i went mad style
mad.gif
 
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DPC latency myth was created by audio workers..

"When working with streaming audio or video that uses interrupts, DPCs are used to process the audio in each buffer as they stream in. If another DPC (from a poorly written driver) takes too long and another interrupt generates a new buffer of data, before the first one can be processed, a drop-out results"

They had to optimize their system to work with audio.

... and dont come with craptalk
The OP is stupid because of you, you are making not smart people to be dumb before anything else
 
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lol keep bashing me for that r0ach, I destroyed in BF4 just as much on original firmware and 3.38 alike. Difference between 3.08 and 3.38 I repeat is again very minimal. Easily less than 1 or 2 ms.
 
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FEEEL THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT?
SERIOUSLY ARE U ******ED ?

its NOT 15MS OR 1MS OF INPUTLAG.. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DPC LATEEEENNNCYYYYY
NOT NOTICIABLE 1 TO 100u.

and its FACT, try wikipedia haha [/caps]

sorry i went mad style
mad.gif
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"Mad style" is why many online games have banned the entire country of Brazil, which I'm sure you're aware of, mostly free to play ones. I'm expecting to see a bunch of "jajaja" spam and random cuss words for no reason any second.

It's very easy to notice the difference in minimum and maximum timer resolution. Very few people can't notice the difference. Sorry that makes you angry and wanting to spam "jajajaja" and cuss words everywhere.
 
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But will it make you the world's best player? Do you think even a single pro MOBA player uses your ridiculous step by step process to optimize every machine? HELL no.
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FPS players use low sens as a crutch for bad hardware or poorly configured PCs so a random Windows service or BIOS setting doesn't have as much impact. If they could aim with higher sensitivity, there would be no reason not to use it instead of people running things like macros just to be able to turn around.
 
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FPS players use low sens as a crutch
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Stop, stop, I'm dying and almost falling off my chair in laughter.

How hard is this to understand? Low sensitivity is not to cover up input lag, but in your delusional ways you might think that that's true. It's to play into the human factor of a larger margin of error. Do you really think I intentionally lower my sensitivity and tell other people to do the same without mentioning they should cap their framerate at a very high value and make sure it never dips below that value? No.
 
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Stop, stop, I'm dying and almost falling off my chair in laughter.
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Yes, because the game designers clearly designed the game to force players to use a macro just to be able to turn around with their 100cm/360 movement. It's not remotely fun playing like that, but obviously more effective for many people, hence, it is a crutch.
 
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I think it's great. I can outaim everyone without even trying, and it's the combination of stable high framerate capped to eliminate most input lag AND the lower sensitivity that does it. It's very fun. Keep trying to rain on my parade though.
 
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FPS players use low sens as a crutch for bad hardware or poorly configured PCs so a random Windows service or BIOS setting doesn't have as much impact. If they could aim with higher sensitivity, there would be no reason not to use it instead of people running things like macros just to be able to turn around.
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Actually most CS pros use much higher sensitivities than OCN users who are overly concerned about cursor feel and input lag. I use "high" sens (400CPI@3.4 ingame) with the ah, so horrible FK but I'm still able play well with it.
 
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Actually most CS pros use much higher sensitivities than OCN users who are overly concerned about cursor feel and input lag. I use "high" sens (400CPI@3.4 ingame) with the ah, so horrible FK but I'm still able play well with it.
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Pros are just people too, they use whatever feels comfortable to them.
 
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