INTRO: (FEEL FREE TO SKIP IF YOU WISH TO GET RIGHT TO THE DEETS. oh god im never saying deets again.)
I was staring at my P.C. the other day (you know, as any normal person does) and i really wanted it to be cooler. I could put a grand into water cooling but wheres the fun in doing what so many have done before?! No no no, I need MORE. Even if water cooling could yield ambient temperatures ( which it cant {dont argue about this...} ) it is just not good enough when you look at Peltiers and N2. Now I am well aware of those who have made what i could best describe as a fridge out of peltiers for their reservoir. They have yielded great results! Some getting the water down to 12C! but then... condensation strikes them down. Ive seen people post threads on lowering the humidity in their system to get that extra 3 degrees out of their peltiers (which is utmost impressive). This brings me back to my long gaze into the LED's of my belove....i mean PC
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Water, given the system that it is most always surrounded by in a PC (hot chipsets, processors, drives, the next greatest oven (290x) can only get so cold. If it gets too cold it starts to attract its friends that are just floating around in the air we breath. Probably tired of the hot monotonous work it has to do, it forms a drop right above your gpu, you thought you were smart setting up ur peltier "fridge" until Bloop. the drop hits its mark, and you gotta take a hit right in the checkbook.
BEGIN HERE: Alright lets get serious. Im going to make some propositions, ive currently designed most of this on paper and have found almost everything i need to build the system, and this log will be updated as time goes on (and as i get payed haha )
I HAVE NEVER built a water cooling loop, but i do not need help building one. Its simple fluid dynamics. ive
I do however, understand Fluid and Thermal Dynamics and Statics (which will be a small role in this project)
YOUR CRITICISM IS WELCOME!
YOUR ADVICE IS WELCOMED MORE!
SUGGESTION ARE AWESOME!
PLEASE SEE POST #13 FOR MORE INFORMATION ON TOP OF WHAT IS DETAILED BELOW!
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I am going to be completely sealing off a pc case. I have chosen a case that is pretty. Because the looks matter. It is also very simple, this makes it easier to seal. And it has a window because well if im gonna do all this work i damn well better be able to look at it haha.
The case will be under a vacuum of about 100 to 40 microns. As far as the computer is concerned, this will not hurt it. UNTIL it is turned on. With nowhere to put all that heat the processor will fry in seconds!!!
BUT of course the whole point behind this is so I can use water JUST ABOVE freezing. so why not, while we are at it, lower the freezing temperature of water.
A nice little solution of 60% Ethylene Glycol 40% water sounds nice to me SO FAR.
It drops the freezing temperature IN CELSIUS to -52.8 degrees!
THE PLAN IS TO USE A WATER/ ETHYLENE GLYCOL SOLUTION AT -48C
***I UNDER STAND THAT ETHYLENE GLYCOL ISNT AS SAFE AS PROPYLENE GLYCOL BUT ITS 4C MORE EFFECTIVE SO ILL TAKE THE RISK ***
If you are interested heres all the chemical properties one would need to know about the aforementioned mixture. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-glycol-d_146.html
But how do i get the heat off of the north bridge and the south-bridge, and the hard drives... ok im not putting my hard drives in a vacuum bc you cant even sneeze with those things in ur hand sometimes and i now when to admit that i dont know about something and i have no idea how hard drives are sealed.
But i digress.
I have 2 Options that are good enough for me right now. REMEMBER! SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME
1) I take off the stock heat-sink and create my own/ mod the stock to accept the water, but i would prefer it not be too cold as the cpu will get bc i dont wan the board to crack under rapid cooling.
2)Run copper in the most beautiful way possible to from these components to a sort of peltier array. or straight too the **two main "CPU" blocks**
**this is where a consider able amount of the cooling will happen**
EDITED: THERE USED TO BE A LINK HERE BUT I DECIDED IM GOING TO MAKE THE BLOCKS MYSELF
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2 of those in series both with 3 pelitiers on one side of them.
this will then flow into the reservoir which will be very beautified version of this IDEA not actually this really at all just in concept, just wanted to give him cred,
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/275185-29-exploring-ambient-water-cooling
Now because of the damn laws of physics, this part will have to come out of the vacuum and then enter back in at the end of the series. Everything that youve read is ENTIRELY my idea. (except the refrigerating the RES, i would have probably done this regardless of finding this article in my initial research into finding if anyone has had this idea before, so i cant be for sure that it didnt influence me so im giving him credit
I've scoured the internet for someone who has done this post exploring the idea and all i have found is quite ill informed folks thinking if they make a vacuum in their computer, it will reach 0 kelvin.......... or my personal favorite.....have fans spin around in side so it becomes T<0 kelvin..... i will post pictures of that if i can find the forum again and after i edit out the user names of those involved. haha oh speaking of fans, if you didnt notice, there are no fans in this system, JUST A PUMP IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF NOISE IN THIS SYSTEM. , that vacuum pump will run once every month to year depending on how well i can seal the pc.
IMPORTANT! PLS NOTE! THANK YOU
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THIS WILL EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY SOON, BECOME THE PROTOTYPE BUILD LOG.
THE ONLY THING I CAN DO A PRIORI IS GIVE THOSE INTERESTED A DETAILED OUTLINE OF THE LOOP AND WHAT THE VACUUM WILL LOOK LIKE. AND THE LOGIC BEHIND IT ALL. THAT IS COMING SOON!
BEING 17 AND A SENIOR WHO IS UNEMPLOYED CURRENTLY MONEY ONLY COMES AT THE END OF THE QUARTER AS I GET PAID TO GET GOOD GRADES. (i dont receive an allowance and never did so that's my form of allowance) SO WITHIN A MONTH I SHOULD HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THIS DONE/ PILED UP IN MY ROOM hehe.
Im shooting for 450 to 550 bucks for just the case all rigged up and ready to be depressurized. NO PC HARDWARE IS INCLUDED IN THAT. but i do have to buy a 2 cycle vacuum pump whos price is included in my estimate so really if one were to do this on the cheap and not the prettiest as i am doing for the prototype you could do it for 300. i just dont have fittings or tubing or a pump haha. gotta put in that initial investment!
AND FINALLY: I will ON THE SAME THREAD, post the final build, given the prototype yields positive results. IM GOING TO BE GOING ALL OUT ON THE FINAL BUILD
im currently thinking of using the 900D because of the monsterous size and simplicity. plus i could hide everything ugly in the bottom bay!
Let me know what you think though
Thanks so much for reading this if you got to the end and i hope to see you in a year when i plan on having the 900 D complete and my wallet emptied!
***if i made a typo i promise you that you can get over it
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COST LOG
2x ALUMINUM L BRACKET: 1 1/2" X 48" $22.00
Looking for my unused H50 cooler 15 calories
plugging in the 8320 stock cooler for the first time: 5 minutes of laughter at just how sad that thing is.
Quick disconects: $5*3
Ball valve: $10
I was staring at my P.C. the other day (you know, as any normal person does) and i really wanted it to be cooler. I could put a grand into water cooling but wheres the fun in doing what so many have done before?! No no no, I need MORE. Even if water cooling could yield ambient temperatures ( which it cant {dont argue about this...} ) it is just not good enough when you look at Peltiers and N2. Now I am well aware of those who have made what i could best describe as a fridge out of peltiers for their reservoir. They have yielded great results! Some getting the water down to 12C! but then... condensation strikes them down. Ive seen people post threads on lowering the humidity in their system to get that extra 3 degrees out of their peltiers (which is utmost impressive). This brings me back to my long gaze into the LED's of my belove....i mean PC
Water, given the system that it is most always surrounded by in a PC (hot chipsets, processors, drives, the next greatest oven (290x) can only get so cold. If it gets too cold it starts to attract its friends that are just floating around in the air we breath. Probably tired of the hot monotonous work it has to do, it forms a drop right above your gpu, you thought you were smart setting up ur peltier "fridge" until Bloop. the drop hits its mark, and you gotta take a hit right in the checkbook.
BEGIN HERE: Alright lets get serious. Im going to make some propositions, ive currently designed most of this on paper and have found almost everything i need to build the system, and this log will be updated as time goes on (and as i get payed haha )
I HAVE NEVER built a water cooling loop, but i do not need help building one. Its simple fluid dynamics. ive
I do however, understand Fluid and Thermal Dynamics and Statics (which will be a small role in this project)
YOUR CRITICISM IS WELCOME!
YOUR ADVICE IS WELCOMED MORE!
SUGGESTION ARE AWESOME!
PLEASE SEE POST #13 FOR MORE INFORMATION ON TOP OF WHAT IS DETAILED BELOW!
I am going to be completely sealing off a pc case. I have chosen a case that is pretty. Because the looks matter. It is also very simple, this makes it easier to seal. And it has a window because well if im gonna do all this work i damn well better be able to look at it haha.
The case will be under a vacuum of about 100 to 40 microns. As far as the computer is concerned, this will not hurt it. UNTIL it is turned on. With nowhere to put all that heat the processor will fry in seconds!!!
BUT of course the whole point behind this is so I can use water JUST ABOVE freezing. so why not, while we are at it, lower the freezing temperature of water.
A nice little solution of 60% Ethylene Glycol 40% water sounds nice to me SO FAR.
It drops the freezing temperature IN CELSIUS to -52.8 degrees!
THE PLAN IS TO USE A WATER/ ETHYLENE GLYCOL SOLUTION AT -48C
***I UNDER STAND THAT ETHYLENE GLYCOL ISNT AS SAFE AS PROPYLENE GLYCOL BUT ITS 4C MORE EFFECTIVE SO ILL TAKE THE RISK ***
If you are interested heres all the chemical properties one would need to know about the aforementioned mixture. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-glycol-d_146.html
But how do i get the heat off of the north bridge and the south-bridge, and the hard drives... ok im not putting my hard drives in a vacuum bc you cant even sneeze with those things in ur hand sometimes and i now when to admit that i dont know about something and i have no idea how hard drives are sealed.
But i digress.
I have 2 Options that are good enough for me right now. REMEMBER! SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME
1) I take off the stock heat-sink and create my own/ mod the stock to accept the water, but i would prefer it not be too cold as the cpu will get bc i dont wan the board to crack under rapid cooling.
2)Run copper in the most beautiful way possible to from these components to a sort of peltier array. or straight too the **two main "CPU" blocks**
**this is where a consider able amount of the cooling will happen**
EDITED: THERE USED TO BE A LINK HERE BUT I DECIDED IM GOING TO MAKE THE BLOCKS MYSELF
2 of those in series both with 3 pelitiers on one side of them.
this will then flow into the reservoir which will be very beautified version of this IDEA not actually this really at all just in concept, just wanted to give him cred,
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/275185-29-exploring-ambient-water-cooling
Now because of the damn laws of physics, this part will have to come out of the vacuum and then enter back in at the end of the series. Everything that youve read is ENTIRELY my idea. (except the refrigerating the RES, i would have probably done this regardless of finding this article in my initial research into finding if anyone has had this idea before, so i cant be for sure that it didnt influence me so im giving him credit
I've scoured the internet for someone who has done this post exploring the idea and all i have found is quite ill informed folks thinking if they make a vacuum in their computer, it will reach 0 kelvin.......... or my personal favorite.....have fans spin around in side so it becomes T<0 kelvin..... i will post pictures of that if i can find the forum again and after i edit out the user names of those involved. haha oh speaking of fans, if you didnt notice, there are no fans in this system, JUST A PUMP IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF NOISE IN THIS SYSTEM. , that vacuum pump will run once every month to year depending on how well i can seal the pc.
IMPORTANT! PLS NOTE! THANK YOU
THIS WILL EVENTUALLY, HOPEFULLY SOON, BECOME THE PROTOTYPE BUILD LOG.
THE ONLY THING I CAN DO A PRIORI IS GIVE THOSE INTERESTED A DETAILED OUTLINE OF THE LOOP AND WHAT THE VACUUM WILL LOOK LIKE. AND THE LOGIC BEHIND IT ALL. THAT IS COMING SOON!
BEING 17 AND A SENIOR WHO IS UNEMPLOYED CURRENTLY MONEY ONLY COMES AT THE END OF THE QUARTER AS I GET PAID TO GET GOOD GRADES. (i dont receive an allowance and never did so that's my form of allowance) SO WITHIN A MONTH I SHOULD HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THIS DONE/ PILED UP IN MY ROOM hehe.
Im shooting for 450 to 550 bucks for just the case all rigged up and ready to be depressurized. NO PC HARDWARE IS INCLUDED IN THAT. but i do have to buy a 2 cycle vacuum pump whos price is included in my estimate so really if one were to do this on the cheap and not the prettiest as i am doing for the prototype you could do it for 300. i just dont have fittings or tubing or a pump haha. gotta put in that initial investment!
AND FINALLY: I will ON THE SAME THREAD, post the final build, given the prototype yields positive results. IM GOING TO BE GOING ALL OUT ON THE FINAL BUILD
im currently thinking of using the 900D because of the monsterous size and simplicity. plus i could hide everything ugly in the bottom bay!
Let me know what you think though
Thanks so much for reading this if you got to the end and i hope to see you in a year when i plan on having the 900 D complete and my wallet emptied!
***if i made a typo i promise you that you can get over it
COST LOG
2x ALUMINUM L BRACKET: 1 1/2" X 48" $22.00
Looking for my unused H50 cooler 15 calories
plugging in the 8320 stock cooler for the first time: 5 minutes of laughter at just how sad that thing is.
Quick disconects: $5*3
Ball valve: $10
