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im looking to either get the mo-ra3 or the phobya 1080
we had our first hot days this week and i really didnt like the temps i was getting was hitting 35c with spikes into the 40's . normal i was idle in the low 20's and under load into the high 20's

atm i have a
xspc 360 30mm
ek 240 38mm
bitspower top with res adapter d5v
i7 4820k 5ghz
msi gtx 970 1600mhz +20mv edit have a second 970 also but its on air
all rads have ek vardars 2200 Rpm fans

if i get either of these im looking to mount the pump/res onto the rads can i mount them on the sides or on the front atm im not looking to get the external shroud thing phobya sells, are the feet needed for either of them ?
im going to either stick it in the corner or on top of a desk thats what im planing to do with it atm

i use the aquaero 5 lt to control the fans can i just run the fan cable to the fans or will that not work . i have them attached to a swiftech 8 to 1 splitter so i know the 12v line im fine just need the pwm signal . can i get like a 3 foot 4 pin cable or will i have to move my aquaero to the rads .

if i am going to get the mo-ra3 will probably get it from watercool.de/en has anyone ordered from them did it ship out quick/come fast ?

the res i have is from bitspower its the 250mm is the acrylic tube only good up to 50c since i was going off that as my max temp the fluid can hit ?
 
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those were the temps were the coolant . i had my first hot day of summer/sping hit 70 outside , both rads only have a dust filter on them so they get more then enough air my pump is a mcp655-b so i cant speed control it like i said normal durring the winter i only had a 5-10c temp change . the fans i have on my rads are ek vardars 2200rpm i have them set to stay around 800-1500 till coolant hits 40 then 100% speed. one rad is push pull other is just pull .
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redid my loop back in January i think so its been stable since the temps dont think my pump is failing pulled some fluid out seem to have alot of flow
 
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The delta should be the same whatever the season.

if the air temp is 10*C and the coolant tops out at 20*C under load then if the air temp is 20*C the coolant should top out at 30*C

If you were seeing coolant temps going up 5 to 10 degrees over the air temps and now you are seeing 20 degrees over air temp, something is operating different than it used to be.

Temps are just measures of change in energy levels for all intent and purpose. It takes X amount of energy to increase the temp of water by Y amount. You are either not not dissipating the heat energy as fast as you were previously, or you are introducing more energy into the loop than you were previously.

Now there is a 3rd option, the room your PC is heating up more so it's actually just that the ambient temp is going up and your loop is still only going up 5 to 10 degrees above ambient. In this case you can add all the rads and fans in the world and it wouldn't help any. Turn the AC on and see if your temps go back to normal. I'm running 2 of the 1080 rads right now and my coolant goes up to about 7* above ambient, so if you are already in the 5 to 10 range, more rads won't help much.
 
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man wish i could hit 5ghz on my 4820k
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it wasnt easy took alot of trial and error spent like 2 months trying to get it stable

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Originally Posted by DNMock View Post

The delta should be the same whatever the season.

if the air temp is 10*C and the coolant tops out at 20*C under load then if the air temp is 20*C the coolant should top out at 30*C

If you were seeing coolant temps going up 5 to 10 degrees over the air temps and now you are seeing 20 degrees over air temp, something is operating different than it used to be.

Temps are just measures of change in energy levels for all intent and purpose. It takes X amount of energy to increase the temp of water by Y amount. You are either not not dissipating the heat energy as fast as you were previously, or you are introducing more energy into the loop than you were previously.

Now there is a 3rd option, the room your PC is heating up more so it's actually just that the ambient temp is going up and your loop is still only going up 5 to 10 degrees above ambient. In this case you can add all the rads and fans in the world and it wouldn't help any. Turn the AC on and see if your temps go back to normal. I'm running 2 of the 1080 rads right now and my coolant goes up to about 7* above ambient, so if you are already in the 5 to 10 range, more rads won't help much.
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ive had this setup since January same 2 blocks and 2 rads nothing has changed except for the temperature outside has recently . ill have to get back to you with the A/C the temp outside drop 40f today dam crazy weather . so temporarily i dont have to deal with the ambient rising . i know if im removing the heat as quickly as im producing it more rad space doesn't help . sometime probably near the end of the summer im going to be getting my second gpu block , but i know i should just barely have enough rad space when i upgrade to 3 blocks . so im kinda wanting to double check things before i put all my eggs in one basket .

im out of places internal of my case to stick a rad so if i need any more its either screw it to the outside of my case or the external ones which look fairly nice . i looked around to see how much it would be for the metal/parts to make my own enclosure, and it wasn't much more to buy one of the ones i found if i needed it . in your rig how many pumps do you have ?
if i end up getting one of the 1080's how do you like the phobya one was it clean inside when you got it . since the d5 should be enough to run it all as long as the tubing stays under 10 feet .
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it wasnt easy took alot of trial and error spent like 2 months trying to get it stable
ive had this setup since January same 2 blocks and 2 rads nothing has changed except for the temperature outside has recently . ill have to get back to you with the A/C the temp outside drop 40f today dam crazy weather . so temporarily i dont have to deal with the ambient rising . i know if im removing the heat as quickly as im producing it more rad space doesn't help . sometime probably near the end of the summer im going to be getting my second gpu block , but i know i should just barely have enough rad space when i upgrade to 3 blocks . so im kinda wanting to double check things before i put all my eggs in one basket .

im out of places internal of my case to stick a rad so if i need any more its either screw it to the outside of my case or the external ones which look fairly nice . i looked around to see how much it would be for the metal/parts to make my own enclosure, and it wasn't much more to buy one of the ones i found if i needed it . in your rig how many pumps do you have ?
if i end up getting one of the 1080's how do you like the phobya one was it clean inside when you got it . since the d5 should be enough to run it all as long as the tubing stays under 10 feet .
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The rads had a ton of flux in them. definitely need to get some of the Mayhems Blitz 2 or something of that nature if you go phobya, as for the Mora's I don't know. They are a pain to fill since they have so much fluid going through them a ton of air pockets can build up and cause some issues while trying to fill it. Would suggest priming the radiator by getting it full of coolant before connecting it to avoid that problem. Aside from those which are both rather minor in my opinion, I'm very happy with how they perform.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1579994

Probably already seen it but that's a good comparison round up review of the Mora and Phobya Nova Rads.
 
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The rads had a ton of flux in them. definitely need to get some of the Mayhems Blitz 2 or something of that nature if you go phobya, as for the Mora's I don't know. They are a pain to fill since they have so much fluid going through them a ton of air pockets can build up and cause some issues while trying to fill it. Would suggest priming the radiator by getting it full of coolant before connecting it to avoid that problem. Aside from those which are both rather minor in my opinion, I'm very happy with how they perform.

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1579994

Probably already seen it but that's a good comparison round up review of the Mora and Phobya Nova Rads.
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ok thanks ill wait a bit longer and see if anyone says anything about the watercool rad since if the phobya needs to be cleaned as might as well spend a bit more for a high quality one . with the mo-ra3 it has ports all over it so i was just going to flip it upside down fill it up then recap it , since i had expected them to be a pain to fill for the most part
 
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I should be getting a MO-RA3 from Watercool directly next week, I will let you know how long it takes. Usually depends on the courier- DHL is incredibly fast, and UPS is not bad either.

As far as cleanliness goes, the MO-RA3 uses compression seals and not soldering so there is no flux involved, but also means thicker tubes and higher airflow restriction. I don't have the Phobya rads to test against though, so you would have to take the other comparisons done at their word.
 
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ok thanks the fans i have should be more then enough static pressure to do the job. for the shipping if it takes a month for it to show as long as it doesn't get damaged during it i would be fine with that have had way too many packages get broke or lost this year .
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fedex ups usps are all incompetent near me
when your get yours you running dual pumps i guess d5/dcc ? im going to try with one but i only have 2 blocks atm second gpu block im waiting on getting for a bit
 
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ok thanks the fans i have should be more then enough static pressure to do the job. for the shipping if it takes a month for it to show as long as it doesn't get damaged during it i would be fine with that have had way too many packages get broke or lost this year .
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fedex ups usps are all incompetent near me
when your get yours you running dual pumps i guess d5/dcc ? im going to try with one but i only have 2 blocks atm second gpu block im waiting on getting for a bit
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DHL typically does 2-3 business days on their ~30 euro shipping method which is standard for most outlets from Europe to the US.

As far as pumps go, my case will be pretty unique in that there will be a lot of rads, blocks and pumps but I would go ahead and use a single DDC at the very minimum- this thing is very restrictive compared to your other two rads.
 
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i didnt think it would be that restrictive since the cpu/gpu block most of the time are what are restrictive in a loop .

sadly i spend like 150 on a d5 pump top kit+res adapter so i really dont want to have to buy another one of them. and another pump i have a an extra pump is a ek 2.2dcp from my ek kit when i started with watercooling but it didn't work well enough by itself to run the loop , i could i put it in to boost the flow if i end up having it too slow ? or is it bad to mix pump types d5/dcc ect
atm my flow is stupid fast i wish i could lower the pump speed but i got a -b version at the time when i bought it all . i know there is the diva pump mod i can do but ive been fine with the way its been working .

i was at first going to get the phobya one but found out its still filthy inside needs to be cleaned with mayhems cleaner and at 40$ for that is cheaper to get the mo-ra3 . there all about the same in cooling performance a few degrees more or less ant much , its not like cooling quad titan x's
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i didnt think it would be that restrictive since the cpu/gpu block most of the time are what are restrictive in a loop .

sadly i spend like 150 on a d5 pump top kit+res adapter so i really dont want to have to buy another one of them. and another pump i have a an extra pump is a ek 2.2dcp from my ek kit when i started with watercooling but it didn't work well enough by itself to run the loop , i could i put it in to boost the flow if i end up having it too slow ? or is it bad to mix pump types d5/dcc ect
atm my flow is stupid fast i wish i could lower the pump speed but i got a -b version at the time when i bought it all . i know there is the diva pump mod i can do but ive been fine with the way its been working .

i was at first going to get the phobya one but found out its still filthy inside needs to be cleaned with mayhems cleaner and at 40$ for that is cheaper to get the mo-ra3 . there all about the same in cooling performance a few degrees more or less ant much , its not like cooling quad titan x's
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That's actually why I opted for the Phobya, the lower restriction. Having two of them + blocks and around 15 ft of tubing between them all, I was worried 2 pumps would have difficulty pushing it all and haven't heard many good things about going with 3 or more pumps.
 
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That's actually why I opted for the Phobya, the lower restriction. Having two of them + blocks and around 15 ft of tubing between them all, I was worried 2 pumps would have difficulty pushing it all and haven't heard many good things about going with 3 or more pumps.
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im hoping for only around max 9 feet of tubing since i can get away with it with my sole d5 should be able to do it
the only reason now i wont get the phobya rad is i would have to buy the mayhem's cleaning kit since it comes filthy inside , it ant cheap and shipping on it is like 20$ so it cost much more at that point.
i wont really mind if i had to buy a second pump but the local store near me has squat for watercooling parts there supplier was frozen and they are now nearly cleaned out after his **** went down .
i havent heard really bad stuff like running 3 pumps in serial just put the stronger ones up front and the weaker one down line
do either of you know can you run a pwm fan cable like 6-10f with no issues just for the signal not the 12v line
 
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im getting the watercool rad once performance-pcs gets the stand in stock . only ran into one snag they never have all the quick disconnects in stock i need so im going to just getto one with http://www.performance-pcs.com/alphacool-bushing-g1-4-inner-thread-to-g1-4-inner-thread-chrome.html and some rotary barbs/compressions so i can still pull it apart quick. yes i know it will drain . i could use the black koolance ones but i know they have that issues still with them jamming/white build-up inside. going to try to have it all on one d5 with my 2 blocks cpu+gpu and see what the flow is i get
 
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