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Gobigorgohome · Jun 17, 2015

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Originally Posted by thespoon

I tried to get 4.5 at v1.37 but it chashed after 5 minutes of stress test and CPU temperature was already at 90C. To high for a 24/7 usage.
So I go to 4.4 and, after some tests I found a compromise: v1.296 / 30C in idle, v1.312 under stress test with 68C of CPU temperature (Cores between 69C and 78C). What do you think about these temperature? Are they appropriate for a 24/7 usage?

What's the temperature I have to look, the cpu or the cores one?

If I want lower temperature, I have to go to 4.3 v1.26, so I have 58C MAX in stress test.
Thank you

I would advise you to look for a better overclocking chip (buy a second hand chip like I did)

78C of one of the cores is still too much in my mind, I tested 4,9 Ghz @ 1,38 volts on my chip, two cores went to 72C after two hours of stress-testing. For me personally, I think 72C also is too much. I ran my old 3930K around 70-75C, but I did not really care for that chip, so if you want your chip to last a while dial back the overclock untill you find something that is a little colder. OR get better cooling for your CPU.

Do 4,3 Ghz @ 1,26 volts if you have that stable, no real reason to keep pushing for high overclocks unless you are bottlenecking some other hardware.

seross69 · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by reev3r

I just reread my last post... What a total nerdgasm I was having there... Suchadork.

Where you been hiding at????

reev3r · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo

ha, I never knew about the intel tuning plan. If I could get a chip that will do 4.5ghz @ 1.4 vcore I would be very happy!
I am signing up for it right now!

Just as a fair warning, the tuning plan is far from glitter and gold! I have seen more bad stories of woes and disaster than I have happiness in a bucket of ice cream.

Just be absolutely CERTAIN that you have duplicates of EVERYTHING, take photographs of your retail packaging and the serial number and barcodes there, as well as the CPU itself, both sides, and be certain that the text on the IHS is actually legible,, and be sure you retain a physical copy of your purchase order, as well as receipts of that just in case...

I had thought about getting the plan, but between the problem some people have with it, and the fact that in the last *insert ridiculous number of years here*, and have never once had a CPU fail ever, so historically it is not the best financial decision I could make.

reev3r · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by seross69

Where you been hiding at????

In the happy, peaceful land of PMville.

Madmaxneo · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by reev3r

Just as a fair warning, the tuning plan is far from glitter and gold! I have seen more bad stories of woes and disaster than I have happiness in a bucket of ice cream.

Just be absolutely CERTAIN that you have duplicates of EVERYTHING, take photographs of your retail packaging and the serial number and barcodes there, as well as the CPU itself, both sides, and be certain that the text on the IHS is actually legible,, and be sure you retain a physical copy of your purchase order, as well as receipts of that just in case...

I had thought about getting the plan, but between the problem some people have with it, and the fact that in the last *insert ridiculous number of years here*, and have never once had a CPU fail ever, so historically it is not the best financial decision I could make.

Well I have a much better chance of getting a much better CPU than the one I have. I purchased my 4930k from Amazon so getting the purchase info is no problem. Though I do not have the box anymore (who keeps those hoarders?...lol).
I wonder if that would be a problem?

electro2u · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo

Well I have a much better chance of getting a much better CPU than the one I have. I purchased my 4930k from Amazon so getting the purchase info is no problem. Though I do not have the box anymore (who keeps those hoarders?...lol).
I wonder if that would be a problem?

Return it through Amazon maybe? I don't think they would mind.

But I just feel like it's splitting hairs. The difference between even 4.4Ghz and 4.9 is totally underwhelming--especially outside of benchmarks when it would be completely negligible.

Madmaxneo · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by electro2u

Return it through Amazon maybe? I don't think they would mind.

But I just feel like it's splitting hairs. The difference between even 4.4Ghz and 4.9 is totally underwhelming--especially outside of benchmarks when it would be completely negligible.

The CPU still runs fine, but has a low average OC ability. I am not sure Amazon would replace it.
BTW what is that webpage that shows the numbers of which CPU's are the better OCers?

PachAz · Jun 18, 2015

Exactly what are the physical differances betwen the rampage iv extreme and the black edition? Would a black edition waterblock fit on the regular rampage iv extreme, that is something I always wondered about.?

reev3r · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo

Well I have a much better chance of getting a much better CPU than the one I have. I purchased my 4930k from Amazon so getting the purchase info is no problem. Though I do not have the box anymore (who keeps those hoarders?...lol).
I wonder if that would be a problem?

Well, your math is flawed if you think you are more likely to get a better processor than what you have... What you have is an average processor, and by average, we are not talking the 50% kind of average, we are talking the 90% kind of average, and that only the processors closest to the center of the wafer perform any better, and unfortunately, every processor that does perform that well at the center of the wafer is going to be designated as a 4960X, Intel specifically does it this way so that the likelihood of you getting a 4960X grade processor from a 4930K (less the cache), is as close to zero as possible... This is why they can charge $1,000 for the highest-end CPU, because the yields on them are so incredibly low, that they effectively have to charge that much.

Anyhow, I had a long description of the basic principles of why the 4930K processors hit 4.4GHz pretty easily, but then to go past that takes not only a LOT more power than it took to get to 4.4GHz, but also a special chip that is even capable of it...

So, since I am guessing you are not spending much time in the Ivy Bridge-e and 4930K owners clubs, I strongly suggest you take a venture on over there, and see what they say about your goal... I am thinking they are going to give you 1 of 2 suggestions, number 1 - To crank your voltage up to 1.45v, and see how it does there (The processors WILL survive at this voltage, but it will also reduce the lifespan of most units - although not probably enough ton kill it before you upgrade in two years), and number 2 - Wait until someone posts a 4930K in the marketplace that clocks well, and expect to pay abouit $500-600 for a used 4930K that gives you an extra 100-200MHz...

I kept it short compared to what is in my mind.

All that I can do at this point, is bid you good luck... It pains me to see this, as everyone has been telling you it just isn't going to happen the way you want, and you simply refuse to accept that. lol Everyone was telling you that your processor wasn't going to make it to 4.5GHz stable (including me), and yet how many hours did we spend (waste - lol) going against the reality of the situation...? Too many, that is how many...

I wish for you the best of luck in your blind 'search' (can it be called a search when probability is against you, and someone else is selecting the part you receive, based on how close it is to their hand so that they can expend the least amount of energy possible putting your replacement CPU in a cardboard box. lol The odds are moving further and further from your favor.

****That being said, I can genuinely say that I do admire you tenacity!!! You crazy, crazy man!****

Madmaxneo · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by reev3r

Well, your math is flawed if you think you are more likely to get a better processor than what you have... What you have is an average processor, and by average, we are not talking the 50% kind of average, we are talking the 90% kind of average, and that only the processors closest to the center of the wafer perform any better, and unfortunately, every processor that does perform that well at the center of the wafer is going to be designated as a 4960X, Intel specifically does it this way so that the likelihood of you getting a 4960X grade processor from a 4930K (less the cache), is as close to zero as possible... This is why they can charge $1,000 for the highest-end CPU, because the yields on them are so incredibly low, that they effectively have to charge that much.

Anyhow, I had a long description of the basic principles of why the 4930K processors hit 4.4GHz pretty easily, but then to go past that takes not only a LOT more power than it took to get to 4.4GHz, but also a special chip that is even capable of it...

So, since I am guessing you are not spending much time in the Ivy Bridge-e and 4930K owners clubs, I strongly suggest you take a venture on over there, and see what they say about your goal... I am thinking they are going to give you 1 of 2 suggestions, number 1 - To crank your voltage up to 1.45v, and see how it does there (The processors WILL survive at this voltage, but it will also reduce the lifespan of most units - although not probably enough ton kill it before you upgrade in two years), and number 2 - Wait until someone posts a 4930K in the marketplace that clocks well, and expect to pay abouit $500-600 for a used 4930K that gives you an extra 100-200MHz...

I kept it short compared to what is in my mind.

All that I can do at this point, is bid you good luck... It pains me to see this, as everyone has been telling you it just isn't going to happen the way you want, and you simply refuse to accept that. lol Everyone was telling you that your processor wasn't going to make it to 4.5GHz stable (including me), and yet how many hours did we spend (waste - lol) going against the reality of the situation...? Too many, that is how many...

I wish for you the best of luck in your blind 'search' (can it be called a search when probability is against you, and someone else is selecting the part you receive, based on how close it is to their hand so that they can expend the least amount of energy possible putting your replacement CPU in a cardboard box. lol The odds are moving further and further from your favor.

****That being said, I can genuinely say that I do admire you tenacity!!! You crazy, crazy man!****

Your logic is flawed my good man...
First if you don't remember I can't hit a stable 4.4 ghz, so if on average the 4930k's can hit a stable 4.4ghz as you suggest then I have a better chance with using the intel program and getting an average CPU.
For one I have been on at least two other boards on here looking for advice and a lot of people just don't respond. I had one give me a video that talked about sandy e chips and as I told him I went down that route and it hasn't helped, no response as as of yet. For another I am NOT going against the reality of the situation. How is it you say that? I am looking in a different direction to maybe have a chance of getting a better chip, and your the only one who has said anything bad about the intel program... most others don't say anything about it. Oh and there is one other person (I forget where) who did the same thing I am thinking of and though he got a worse chip than what he had but he was still able to hit a higher stable OC than I was. I also do not need to have a failed chip to get mine replaced.
For another I have recently discovered someone on these boards that has a 4930k and had a similar problem as mine, only he couldn't even hit a stable 4.3ghz, but with some tweaks he is now at a stable 4.5ghz (I think) with a decent vcore. What he did was lower some of the stock voltages in some other areas... though I am not sure which ones. I asked a question with a quote by him but no response as of yet.

Another thing I am learning is that it is very important to keep the MB components cool, that XPSC cooler I'd like to install cools the parts I have seen a couple videos on that says to keep them cool.

I'd like to know why your so negative? Because apparently I haven't even tried but a small part of the things I can do to try and reach a higher OC.... your telling me to stop and all is hopeless.
I am more positive than that (despite everything) and I don't give up so easily. I have not really spent a lot of time trying to push this chip, I do what people recommend and try it then try some things myself and sometimes they work but never over 4.3ghz...
I have tried what you guys on here have recommended but what you all have told me on here is just the basics, so why can't I try something more advanced?
The funny thing is I am now seeing a lot of people that have pushed their chips to 4.5ghz but with a 1.44 vcore because that is what they wanted. Though I'm not that idiotic I would like to know how long they ran their chips like that before they started to see problems.

xarot · Jun 18, 2015

My 4960X does 4.4 at 1.27 V and 4.5 at 1.36 V and I think it's quite average. I never got it stable at 4.6 and cannot even bench at 4.7, I think reached a point where the extra voltage just does nothing. But what does another 100 MHz really matter - for gaming even less.

About tuning plan...I used a tuning plan with my newer 5960X and ended up getting a LOT better chip this time with max. bootable frequency 300 MHz higher with less voltage. Don't know what success people have had with 49xx processors though, as usually they hit their cap at 4.5 - 4.6 GHz.

Kimir · Jun 18, 2015

If bought on Amazon, try your luck with them first, if replacement isn't any better, try the tuning plan.
But in the end, it's only a matter of silicon lottery. (which I seems to be losing at, every time)

Gobigorgohome · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo

Well I have a much better chance of getting a much better CPU than the one I have. I purchased my 4930k from Amazon so getting the purchase info is no problem. Though I do not have the box anymore (who keeps those hoarders?...lol).
I wonder if that would be a problem?

No reason to get a better overclocking chip unless the chip you already got bottleneck some of your hardware. You will not be able to do 4-way SLI/Crossfire on that chip, I need 4,7 Ghz not to bottleneck quadfire R9 290X (at stock clocks), I think the same thing is the deal if you decide to go that route. It will also be bottlenecked in 3-way SLI/Crossfire with newer GPU's. So the bottom line is, if you plan on using up to three cards (without voltage modded GPU's) you will probably be fine with the chip you have. Benchmarking is another story, but for benchmarking the new Haswell-E is getting better scores than IVY-E anyways.
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Originally Posted by PachAz

Exactly what are the physical differances betwen the rampage iv extreme and the black edition? Would a black edition waterblock fit on the regular rampage iv extreme, that is something I always wondered about.?

Perhaps it works, I have read somewhere that the old EK-R4E block do work on the RIVBE (that way you could keep the "ROG-logo" with the red light), never tried it myself though. So, out from that it the EK-FB R4BE should work on the RIVE, but as I said I have not tried it so I am not sure. I am doing a little rebuild of my loop in a short while (3-4 weeks) and I could take of my block and measure out the distance from each hole for the fastening of the blocks for you. Then you could do the same and you will find out if it will fit or not.

Do not quote me on it, but I think it will work. EK-FB ASUS R4BE, check the third picture and this picture

Do it on your own risk though.

chrisnyc75 · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Gobigorgohome

I would advise you to look for a better overclocking chip (buy a second hand chip like I did)

78C of one of the cores is still too much in my mind, I tested 4,9 Ghz @ 1,38 volts on my chip, two cores went to 72C after two hours of stress-testing. For me personally, I think 72C also is too much. I ran my old 3930K around 70-75C, but I did not really care for that chip, so if you want your chip to last a while dial back the overclock untill you find something that is a little colder. OR get better cooling for your CPU.

Do 4,3 Ghz @ 1,26 volts if you have that stable, no real reason to keep pushing for high overclocks unless you are bottlenecking some other hardware.

4.9 @ 1.38v? Ivy Bridge-e? Sorry, but with all due respect, screenshots or it didn't happen.

And even if it did happen, that's a totally unrealistic expectation to put out there for anybody else. Such a chip would be literally one in ten million.
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Originally Posted by Kimir

If bought on Amazon, try your luck with them first, if replacement isn't any better, try the tuning plan.
But in the end, it's only a matter of silicon lottery. (which I seems to be losing at, every time)

That's good advice.... Amazon's return policy is ridiculously liberal, if you bought it on Amazon try reporting to them that it's "unstable" (just dont elaborate. lol)

Also worth noting, the Intel Tuning Plan replacement chips by-and-large seem to be low performers, so don't go getting your hopes up for one that will do more than 4.4ghz (which, as I keep telling you, is a perfectly respectable overclock)

Madmaxneo · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by chrisnyc75

4.9 @ 1.38v? Ivy Bridge-e? Sorry, but with all due respect, screenshots or it didn't happen.

And even if it did happen, that's a totally unrealistic expectation to put out there for anybody else. Such a chip would be literally one in ten million.
That's good advice.... Amazon's return policy is ridiculously liberal, if you bought it on Amazon try reporting to them that it's "unstable" (just dont elaborate. lol)

Also worth noting, the Intel Tuning Plan replacement chips by-and-large seem to be low performers, so don't go getting your hopes up for one that will do more than 4.4ghz (which, as I keep telling you, is a perfectly respectable overclock)

And as I keep saying, a stable 4.4 would be awesome! I wish I could reach it!!!
which also means that 4.3 is not as respectable.......

Madmaxneo · Jun 18, 2015

Anyone here check out the new Radeon releases on Newegg? They have the 8gb SAPPHIRE NITRO for only $329.00. I wonder how well they perform along with heat and noise specs... I also wonder if these will cause nVidia to drop their prices?

Anyone know of any site that has done some pre-testing on these cards?

I've checked and could only find reviews from a month or more ago.....

PachAz · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Gobigorgohome

No reason to get a better overclocking chip unless the chip you already got bottleneck some of your hardware. You will not be able to do 4-way SLI/Crossfire on that chip, I need 4,7 Ghz not to bottleneck quadfire R9 290X (at stock clocks), I think the same thing is the deal if you decide to go that route. It will also be bottlenecked in 3-way SLI/Crossfire with newer GPU's. So the bottom line is, if you plan on using up to three cards (without voltage modded GPU's) you will probably be fine with the chip you have. Benchmarking is another story, but for benchmarking the new Haswell-E is getting better scores than IVY-E anyways.
Perhaps it works, I have read somewhere that the old EK-R4E block do work on the RIVBE (that way you could keep the "ROG-logo" with the red light), never tried it myself though. So, out from that it the EK-FB R4BE should work on the RIVE, but as I said I have not tried it so I am not sure. I am doing a little rebuild of my loop in a short while (3-4 weeks) and I could take of my block and measure out the distance from each hole for the fastening of the blocks for you. Then you could do the same and you will find out if it will fit or not.

Do not quote me on it, but I think it will work. EK-FB ASUS R4BE, check the third picture and this picture

Do it on your own risk though.

Yes you can do that, maybe other people will benefit since the original R4E blocks are discountinued mostly.

Madmaxneo · Jun 18, 2015

So I think I found the batch number for my cpu... I got this number from my receipt BX80633I74930K, of which I think the batch number is 3317B806, but I can't find anything on that number. Anyone know where I might be able to find a complete list of batch numbers and their respective averages?
I did a google search and came up with nothing, even when entering that number.

chrisnyc75 · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo

And as I keep saying, a stable 4.4 would be awesome! I wish I could reach it!!!
which also means that 4.3 is not as respectable.......

Ah, sorry, I must be confusing who has which chip in this thread. lol Yeah, 4.3 is kinda bad if that's the best it can do under 1.4v, that puts it at the very bottom of the spectrum. Hit up Intel for a IPTP replacement and try your luck again.... you can't do worse than 4.3 (I've never heard of one that maxed out at 4.2)

Gobigorgohome · Jun 18, 2015

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Originally Posted by chrisnyc75

4.9 @ 1.38v? Ivy Bridge-e? Sorry, but with all due respect, screenshots or it didn't happen.

And even if it did happen, that's a totally unrealistic expectation to put out there for anybody else. Such a chip would be literally one in ten million.

4930K: 4,9 Ghz @ 1,38v. I have posted pics of it earlier in this thread, the CPU has been benched at 5 Ghz @ 1,424 volts. It also do 4,895 @ 1,36 volt, 4,8 Ghz @ 1,34, 4,7 Ghz @ 1,3 volt, 4,5 Ghz @ 1,2 volt all with RAM-speeds from 1866Mhz to 2666Mhz (4x 4GB sticks of RAM). I paid 630 USD for it second hand and have yet to regret it. I could have gotten a new chip for about 610 USD just in comparison. You do not get a chip like that for free.

And this chip is not a normal chip, it is a golden sample and as far as I know all the owners of it have paid the same amount of money for it. I bought it cause my 3930K was bottlenecking my quadfire r9 290x, with this chip at 4,7 Ghz that problem got solved.
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Originally Posted by PachAz

Yes you can do that, maybe other people will benefit since the original R4E blocks are discountinued mostly.

I can do what? Measure out the holes for you?

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