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Originally Posted by qsxcv View Post

i feel the opposite... with g240 i can feel bumps and dips in the rubber back even when used on a glass desk, but with a ~5mm thick allsop raindrop i can't feel anything

is the surface of g640 identical to g240?
Judging from the close-up images of each on Logitech's website, the surface looks different. G640 looks more even horizontally and vertically.
 
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

Yep, I actually have 2 which is good because my roommate and I are cat sitting, and while it has held up well, if I were to start playing seriously, I'd want to open up the 2nd. Still beautiful.

Interesting. When someone posts "It's beautiful!" by itself it's usually a reaction from seeing it for the first time, certainly not something anyone would expect from someone who has been using it for several months. If you had mentioned this and provided some feedback on the product along with that comment it wouldn't have come off as shady.

Par for the course here.
 
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

Interesting. When someone posts "It's beautiful!" by itself it's usually a reaction from seeing it for the first time, certainly not something anyone would expect from someone who has been using it for several months. If you had mentioned this and provided some feedback on the product along with that comment it wouldn't have come off as shady.

Par for the course here.
This is such a horrible post. Where to begin? The shaming because the poster feels the term beautiful is reserved for first impressions or the scorned emotions from keeping information until the product was released?

Over par for the course.
 
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

This is such a horrible post. Where to begin? The shaming because the poster feels the term beautiful is reserved for first impressions or the scorned emotions from keeping information until the product was released?

Over par for the course.
The product is officially announced now so there's nothing preventing him from commenting on the product. Posters here may not have noticed that someone is posting positively about a product without disclosing that they have in fact owned it for months before release. This is the definition of shill behavior and I don't care how minor it is or how many people get upset about it.

People come here looking for facts and honest opinions. You are free to use the this forum's ignore feature. Take your blue pill and have a nice day.
 
Feedback on the mousepad is premature, the main thing you would feedback on is durability, which I feel is premature because I haven't owned it for very long, that it is still in good condition isn't saying much, especially because my gaming has been light as of late. I also don't have any of my other mouspads with me to directly compare the speed of the mouspad to.

If I had replied with the mouspad is great, its very durable, mine looks practically new after months of use, so much better than the qck that started fraying after only a month or two. While technically true, that would of been shill behavior imo.

It's beautiful, was meant to just be a general acknowledgement that the mouspad fit the basic criteria of what this board seems to like, large cloth pads with no logo in the center, from a company that previously had not offered such a product to us. Like if a company releases a lightweight mouse with a high end sensor, whose ergonomics don't look like an abortion.
 
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

If I had replied with the mouspad is great, its very durable, mine looks practically new after months of use, so much better than the qck that started fraying after only a month or two. While technically true, that would of been shill behavior imo.
That's not a shill response at all. You can easily be 100% satisfied and hyped about a product that you received for free while being completely honest. Toss that sentence in with a "so far" or "I will try to comment on the durability in the future. If I forget, toss me a pm". If you're not interested in PM spam then your initial post could have been " I have one and it's beautiful".
 
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

Feedback on the mousepad is premature, the main thing you would feedback on is durability, which I feel is premature because I haven't owned it for very long, that it is still in good condition isn't saying much, especially because my gaming has been light as of late. I also don't have any of my other mouspads with me to directly compare the speed of the mouspad to.

If I had replied with the mouspad is great, its very durable, mine looks practically new after months of use, so much better than the qck that started fraying after only a month or two. While technically true, that would of been shill behavior imo.

It's beautiful, was meant to just be a general acknowledgement that the mouspad fit the basic criteria of what this board seems to like, large cloth pads with no logo in the center, from a company that previously had not offered such a product to us. Like if a company releases a lightweight mouse with a high end sensor, whose ergonomics don't look like an abortion.
How does it compare to a QCK with it's texture/friction?
 
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Originally Posted by Cloudy View Post

How does it compare to a QCK with it's texture/friction?
I haven't used a qck in years, but the g640 seems faster/slicker then what I recall the qck to have been. Pretty sure it's faster than my puretrak talent and that the talent is faster than my hayate and my hayate faster than the qck. But my memory may not be perfect.

While I can't speak for sure about durability, the impression I get is the edges probably aren't as high in quality as the talent, but that the surface on the g640 is probably less susceptible to wear than the talent. The talent is better at hiding imperfections underneath the pad.
 
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

The product is officially announced now so there's nothing preventing him from commenting on the product. Posters here may not have noticed that someone is posting positively about a product without disclosing that they have in fact owned it for months before release. This is the definition of shill behavior and I don't care how minor it is or how many people get upset about it.

People come here looking for facts and honest opinions. You are free to use the this forum's ignore feature. Take your blue pill and have a nice day.
He's already shortly commented on the product, but obviously not up to your standards.

Shill behavior isn't just a matter of not disclosing prior agreements to review/analyze a product form the company. Pre-release ownership does not count as being a shill no matter how hard you spin it. In fact, the poster already refused comparing it to other pads to avoid looking like a shill. The difference? The potential misleading aspect. That is what makes a shill a shill.

Lastly, he gave what is presumably his honest opinion. If the threat of shills/terrorists is that distracting to your forum browsing then perhaps you should use the ignore feature.

I for one am happy someone who owns it puts their two cents in on both the good and bad.
 
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Originally Posted by SmashTV View Post

Shill behavior isn't just a matter of not disclosing prior agreements to review/analyze a product form the company. Pre-release ownership does not count as being a shill no matter how hard you spin it. In fact, the poster already refused comparing it to other pads to avoid looking like a shill. The difference? The potential misleading aspect. That is what makes a shill a shill.
Lastly, he gave what is presumably his honest opinion. If the threat of shills/terrorists is that distracting to your forum browsing then perhaps you should use the ignore feature.
I for one am happy someone who owns it puts their two cents in on both the good and bad.
His first comment was "It's beautiful!". That's it, nothing else added which is the entire point. Any kind of comments about the pad were posted after I asked about him having owned the pad for months. Again, he did NOT share this fact in his first post

You should really freshen up on your definition of the term shill. Just google the word and you can find the exact reason why I have a problem with this. No need to go into the various types.

"an accomplice who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others."
 
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

You should really freshen up on your definition of the term shill. Just google the word and you can find the exact reason why I have a problem with this. No need to go into the various types.

"an accomplice who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others."
Ok, let's use that definition, we can argue over what qualifies as being an accomplice. First problem is you have to interpet a 2 word post as a serious attempt to entice people to buy the product. 2nd problem is for me to act like an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others, I can't legitimately be an enthusiastic customer right?

3rd, its not like I haven't disclosed in the past that I have received free Logitech and Razer gear. That I have to say in my first post about a product that I got it early or I'm a shill, when I've previously disclosed I get free gear from them, and in my 2nd post I clarify that I did get it early is silly. Especially when the first post was 2 words, it was a quick, casual post.

4th there is no agreement and it should be obvious there isn't an agreement because the pr from it being leaked that a company was making an offer for people to mislead customers word be horrible and likely to happen if they doled out such offers.

Can't wait until Roccat updates the pyra, so I can have babies with it and the Logitech shill acusations stop that only exist because I like 1 mouse they made and that they made a large cloth mouspad.
 
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

Ok, let's use that definition, we can argue over what qualifies as being an accomplice. First problem is you have to interpet a 2 word post as a serious attempt to entice people to buy the product. 2nd problem is for me to act like an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others, I can't legitimately be an enthusiastic customer right?
Lets just stick with the facts instead of avoiding them. You made a positive comment about a newly announced product that actual consumers do not have access to yet without disclosing the fact that you have owned that product for months. It's really that simple. As for the rest of this, as I said before, a "receiver of free swag" can be completely hyped and like everything about a product while still remaining honest.
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

3rd, its not like I haven't disclosed in the past that I have received free Logitech and Razer gear. That I have to say in my first post about a product that I got it early or I'm a shill, when I've previously disclosed I get free gear from them, and in my 2nd post I clarify that I did get it early is silly. Especially when the first post was 2 words, it was a quick, casual post.
This is not an excuse. It's not a reader's job to scan the web for those past posts. You should always disclose that fact.
 
The comment was 2 words. You are using the word comment because it implies that I did more than post 2 words. You said it's not the reader's job to scan past posts, so even if I did previously post that I got one you would have something to complain about, going a whole 2 words without reminding everyone I have gotten free Logitech products is too many. You expectations are vastly unrealistic and impossible to meet.
For the last several weeks I've had all these mice on my desk the entire time, this is what a fake mouse enthusiast looks like
 
I took some pictures for you, folks. Some online stores stock them already, so I've had mine for a couple of days now.

I don't have too much experience with cloth pads, so I can't really say anything about how it compares. I don't know whether this is the same surface as the G240. My first impression is that the glide is very smooth and quite fast, and the pad isn't too soft, which I like. If I drag my hand across it, I can feel that it's not perfectly smooth underneath the cloth, but I don't notice it the same way when I glide mice across it. The "G" logo seems to interfere with the tracking of my frankenmouse and the glide is different on it, so I play with the pad upside down just in case. I think stitched edges and a smaller logo would be an improvement. I also did a MouseTester graph and a Paint test with my 3310 ZA12 sensor frankenmouse on 500 hz and about 368 real cpi, but I don't really know what I'm doing with those.

I think it's a great pad and I'm probably going to use this going forward or get a Zowie G-TF X.







EDIT: The MouseTester graph doesn't display properly for me, do you have the same problem? It's an xvelocity graph and goes up to about 4 m/s if you were wondering.
 
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

I haven't used a qck in years, but the g640 seems faster/slicker then what I recall the qck to have been. Pretty sure it's faster than my puretrak talent and that the talent is faster than my hayate and my hayate faster than the qck. But my memory may not be perfect.
My G640 is slower than a hayate by miles.
 
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