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#21 ·
As the Stilt mentioned, the newest chips are generally better,as the refinement process is ongoing. 8320e or 8370e
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The 9590/9370's very existence is cause for many people's poor experience with AMD products. I've had to talk people out of buying them at Microcenter myself because they were going to put one of them in a cut rate motherboard.
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Ehh, I have mixed feelings on it. If I did it again I would go 8370e and overclock but I'm able to cool the 9590 at stock with a NH-D14 at only 800RPM's. The 5GHZ turbo works quite well and it's really easy for people who don't want to overclock. My takeaway from it has been it's a good CPU at stock with the right motherboard but a poor CPU to overclock with unless you are using a custom loop. Anything higher than stock and you need a decent amount of LLC and the heat output just grows exponentially.

I'm actually contemplating selling the 9590 and going back to my 1100T until Zen drops. Miss that CPU, I had the 1100T up to 4.1GHZ on a really bad motherboard. I wonder what I could do now with the Crosshair.
 
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Ehh, I have mixed feelings on it. If I did it again I would go 8370e and overclock but I'm able to cool the 9590 at stock with a NH-D14 at only 800RPM's. The 5GHZ turbo works quite well and it's really easy for people who don't want to overclock. My takeaway from it has been it's a good CPU at stock with the right motherboard but a poor CPU to overclock with unless you are using a custom loop. Anything higher than stock and you need a decent amount of LLC and the heat output just grows exponentially.

I'm actually contemplating selling the 9590 and going back to my 1100T until Zen drops. Miss that CPU.
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You're informed and cognizant of the chip's cooling needs; the guys I'm talking about see "5GHZ!!!" and the Microcenter salesmen see high gross.
 
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You're informed and cognizant of the chip's cooling needs; the guys I'm talking about see "5GHZ!!!" and the Microcenter salesmen see high gross.
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Lol, well now I am that I lived it. When it came out my thought process was the 9590 was the best of the best of the binning process and would give me a good starting point to overclock with.
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I had no idea about leakage, low or high.
 
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In store deals from microcenter are a waste of time. The $30 saved from ordering online would be negated by the fact the nearest to some people (aka me) is over 4-6 hours and would cost me $200 in fuel
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Worth it to me.
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In store deals from microcenter are a waste of time. The $30 saved from ordering online would be negated by the fact the nearest to some people (aka me) is over 4-6 hours and would cost me $200 in fuel
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4-6 hours = $200 in fuel? damn what do you drive?

To everyone else, I'm working on a response to most posts, Work is just really busy, but thank you all for the input! I'm still reading through some actually.
 
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Ok $200 exaggerated but in store deals for most of us is like posting $20 discount if you fly to the moon
 
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FX-8370E got my vote. All my best chips are either FX-8370E or FX-8370. I have some FX-8320+, 8350, 9370 and 9590s too but they don´t come even close to the newer stuff. The FX-9370 and the 9590s run so hot that I don´t feel comfortable running them even at stock with some heavy undervolting.

My "V.S / Special Reserve" FX-8370/Es all do 4.7 - 4.8GHz with 1.35V - 1.39V depending on leakage, in temperatures < 63°C. Most of them have abnormally low SIDD too (hyper low leakage)
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You can get the FX-9590 too as long as you remember to undervolt it (together with LLC adjustment), and remember that it is not guaranteed to do anything higher than 4.7GHz.

Regardless what you do, we need to have a word about you "cooler"...
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Lol not mine. Nice run with that chip!
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I always get the cheapest fx 8 I can find (8300, 8310, 8320) and overclock to 4.4-4.8 and call it a day
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There really is no reason not to buy a cheap fx 8 and hyper 212+ evo and OC 4.4-4.6 ghz
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See bolded statement below.

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That would be my recommendation too, but he said he isn't going to overclock and I really can't see a 9xxx functioning on his cooling.
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On the cooling, I really don't know much about that cooler myself, so maybe we could start to find some data to toss in here? Like I said though, it seems like it does pretty good for him, and yes, I am aware that we are talking about a FX-9 chip, and I don't want to sway one way or the other yet until I see more data about the cooler, but would like to point out that the cooler is rated at 220W TDP IIRC. Hence my not having a stance on the matter of cooler at this time, just not enough exp and/or personal exp.

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At minimum he will need a dual tower cooler or AIO to handle the FX-9590 at stock speeds. I also don't think the vrm's on that motherboard will cut it. It's a good board buts its not as robust as the Sabertooth or Crosshair. Definitely go with one of the FX-8***
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My main concern was the VRM area of the board in relation to running the FX-9 on it, I've read many times about it needed to be quite strong to really handle one. Would it be ok to run @ stock clocks if we put some actve cooling on the power delivery area of the board? IIRC it does have heatsinks there already, could find a way to put some fans nearby I'm sure, shouldn't be too hard.

Side note: sabertooth is great and all but... camo? nah. don't like that color scheme. The snow one on intel's side is sweet looking though.

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Ok $200 exaggerated but in store deals for most of us is like posting $20 discount if you fly to the moon
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Well, I could see it costing a ton of gas if you drive a huge truck or a sports car/modded car. Just was curious. Yeah some of their deals haven't been that great, and they're ~30 minutes away from me.
 
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My main concern was the VRM area of the board in relation to running the FX-9 on it, I've read many times about it needed to be quite strong to really handle one. Would it be ok to run @ stock clocks if we put some actve cooling on the power delivery area of the board? IIRC it does have heatsinks there already, could find a way to put some fans nearby I'm sure, shouldn't be too hard.

Side note: sabertooth is great and all but... camo? nah. don't like that color scheme. The snow one on intel's side is sweet looking though.
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It's only a 6+2 phase setup, I wouldn't do it.
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It's only a 6+2 phase setup, I wouldn't do it.
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What is the crosshair formula and sabertooth running in that department?
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8+2 (+2) ( i don't know how many ram phases the non-tuf/rog boards have)
 
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The Frio OP is using has a bad reputation in the air cooling forums. It seems to cool well but the decibel levels are painful. Any of the twin tower coolers is better and even some of the single tower ones. Overall it is probably similar to a Noctua U14S but far louder.
 
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The Frio OP is using has a bad reputation in the air cooling forums. It seems to cool well but the decibel levels are painful. Any of the twin tower coolers is better and even some of the single tower ones. Overall it is probably similar to a Noctua U14S but far louder.
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I haven't actually heard it myself, so I'm not sure. Maybe we're all just sensitive to noises
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My main concern was the VRM area of the board in relation to running the FX-9 on it, I've read many times about it needed to be quite strong to really handle one. Would it be ok to run @ stock clocks if we put some actve cooling on the power delivery area of the board? IIRC it does have heatsinks there already, could find a way to put some fans nearby I'm sure, shouldn't be too hard.

Side note: sabertooth is great and all but... camo? nah. don't like that color scheme. The snow one on intel's side is sweet looking though.
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It's only a 6+2 phase setup, I wouldn't do it.
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tell that to my 5GHz 8370.
 
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At minimum he will need a dual tower cooler or AIO to handle the FX-9590 at stock speeds. I also don't think the vrm's on that motherboard will cut it. It's a good board buts its not as robust as the Sabertooth or Crosshair. Definitely go with one of the FX-8***

My main concern was the VRM area of the board in relation to running the FX-9 on it, I've read many times about it needed to be quite strong to really handle one. Would it be ok to run @ stock clocks if we put some actve cooling on the power delivery area of the board? IIRC it does have heatsinks there already, could find a way to put some fans nearby I'm sure, shouldn't be too hard.

Side note: sabertooth is great and all but... camo? nah. don't like that color scheme. The snow one on intel's side is sweet looking though.
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If you have a look at ASUS M5A99FX cpu support list. 9xxx series chips are supported. THe boards a tough little puppy. Mine currently runs my 8370 @ a full 5GHz at 1.475V ran my 8350 quite happily at 4.9GHz with 1.55V.

So the M5A99FX can handle it. Going beyond 4.8GHz on the M5A99FX's is a crapsoot. But anything before that isn't too difficult.
 
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If you have a look at ASUS M5A99FX cpu support list. 9xxx series chips are supported. THe boards a tough little puppy. Mine currently runs my 8370 @ a full 5GHz at 1.475V ran my 8350 quite happily at 4.9GHz with 1.55V.

So the M5A99FX can handle it. Going beyond 4.8GHz on the M5A99FX's is a crapsoot. But anything before that isn't too difficult.
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That's pretty impressive
 
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Soooo since some people seem to own theses chips that are posting in here... does anyone have benchmark (preferably game benches or handbrake, etc, no synthetics for now) results they want to post to show the real difference between the 3 chips?

Would be helpful to see lol
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