I have a Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma headphones i plan to change them because they are sort of uncomfortable after a couple of hours of use, can someone help me out if should buy the Sennheiser HD 558, 598 or The Game One., and would they sound better than my Razer Kraken 7.1 chroma ?
Sennheiser HD 558 vs Sennheiser HD 598 vs Sennheiser Game One
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I have a Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma headphones i plan to change them because they are sort of uncomfortable after a couple of hours of use, can someone help me out if should buy the Sennheiser HD 558, 598 or The Game One., and would they sound better than my Razer Kraken 7.1 chroma ?
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558s are lighter and I loved them for long term (6+ hours) use, even with glasses.
598s are a little heavier, but are built a bit better and sound a bit better too.
Depends on how much they cost to you. And as the above, what will you be using to power them?
598s are a little heavier, but are built a bit better and sound a bit better too.
Depends on how much they cost to you. And as the above, what will you be using to power them?
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Actually this question is for my friend who has the high end gigabyte Z170x G1 motherboard which has a decent in built sound card, but the problem is that in my country 598 is 50$ more expensive than the 558, is it worth the extra money?
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I loved both though, I don't think I could justify $50 more, it really is a close tie at that difference. $50 could also buy a ModMic, then he'd get a microphone too.
It has a Creative ZxRi on-board. Not a Realtek. It is probably the single best on-board sound solution in the market.Originally Posted by Drake87
You're going to want a dedicated amp/dac. I don't know the specs of that board, but using onboard sound to drive headphones has never been ideal.
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The 598s use a leather wrap and pad on the headband instead of no wrap and felt pad. I believe the sound quality is a bit better.Originally Posted by SauronTheGreat
Actually this question is for my friend who has the high end gigabyte Z170x G1 motherboard which has a decent in built sound card, but the problem is that in my country 598 is 50$ more expensive than the 558, is it worth the extra money?
I loved both though, I don't think I could justify $50 more, it really is a close tie at that difference. $50 could also buy a ModMic, then he'd get a microphone too.
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If I'm reading this right, you're saying that it has one of these onboard? Because it doesn't look that way to me.Originally Posted by KyadCK
It has a Creative ZxRi on-board. Not a Realtek. It is probably the single best on-board sound solution in the market.
The 598s use a leather wrap and pad on the headband instead of no wrap and felt pad. I believe the sound quality is a bit better.
I loved both though, I don't think I could justify $50 more, it really is a close tie at that difference. $50 could also buy a ModMic, then he'd get a microphone too.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/9819/the-gigabyte-z170x-gaming-g1-review-quad-sli-on-skylake-and-now-with-thunderbolt-3/2
The price ain't pretty, but it's one hell of a board.
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If I'm reading this right, you're saying that it has one of these onboard? Because it doesn't look that way to me.Originally Posted by KyadCK
It has a Creative ZxRi on-board. Not a Realtek. It is probably the single best on-board sound solution in the market.
The 598s use a leather wrap and pad on the headband instead of no wrap and felt pad. I believe the sound quality is a bit better.
I loved both though, I don't think I could justify $50 more, it really is a close tie at that difference. $50 could also buy a ModMic, then he'd get a microphone too.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9819/the-gigabyte-z170x-gaming-g1-review-quad-sli-on-skylake-and-now-with-thunderbolt-3/2
The price ain't pretty, but it's one hell of a board.
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Telling you right now, everything you have ever tried is inferior to the Cloud Revolver, its miles better than Cloud 1 and 2 as well.Originally Posted by SauronTheGreat
I have a Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma headphones i plan to change them because they are sort of uncomfortable after a couple of hours of use, can someone help me out if should buy the Sennheiser HD 558, 598 or The Game One., and would they sound better than my Razer Kraken 7.1 chroma ?
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These headphones are not available in my country's online market, and if i order them from amazon the custom charges will be sky high. The only high end headphone available is the Sennheiser HD 800 which are like over a 1000$ here :'(Originally Posted by caenlen
Telling you right now, everything you have ever tried is inferior to the Cloud Revolver, its miles better than Cloud 1 and 2 as well.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128833
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-Motherboard-GA-Z170X-Gaming-G1/dp/B013E37GCO
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The motherboard cost $500 on launch.Originally Posted by Drake87
I was looking at the newegg listed specs of the board. Must have been off. Seems odd that the sound card by itself cost more than that motherboard alone.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128833
https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Intel-Motherboard-GA-Z170X-Gaming-G1/dp/B013E37GCO
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Lol no. Gamer branded headphones made by Kingston are not good. At all. Nor are any other Gamer branded headphones, including Corsair and Razer.Originally Posted by caenlen
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Telling you right now, everything you have ever tried is inferior to the Cloud Revolver, its miles better than Cloud 1 and 2 as well.Originally Posted by SauronTheGreat
I have a Razer Kraken 7.1 Chroma headphones i plan to change them because they are sort of uncomfortable after a couple of hours of use, can someone help me out if should buy the Sennheiser HD 558, 598 or The Game One., and would they sound better than my Razer Kraken 7.1 chroma ?
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Correct, and even those Sennheisers listed are the cheap entry level ones.Originally Posted by Drake87
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Those sennheisers are better than that thing.Originally Posted by caenlen
Telling you right now, everything you have ever tried is inferior to the Cloud Revolver, its miles better than Cloud 1 and 2 as well.
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headphones will sound better with an external DAC and amp, but you will love them. When people talk about the price increase in headphones and wither it is worth it is silly to me. It's all about personal preference. if you spend all day playing games and don't have the money than get the cheap ones. If you have the money to spend than first go out and get a dedicated external DAC and AMP then look at buying better headphones. Sure the headphones will feel great and sound good. But it's like buying a nice car with the cheapest engine it in. Sure it looks nice, but there is something missing. you might not know what your missing and be ok with it. But once you get a half way OK dedicated DAC and AMP you will never go back. I got a Combo DAC and AMP that was a American engineered DAC and AMP that was made cheap called a Zero. I loved that thing and I would buy another if I only had a limited amount of money. However, Now I am spending a lot more and really not getting a huge increase in performance. As you clime the later in performance the prices go up exponentially. Just like in PC whole if you want to go towards the top of performance you will pay a ton more.
Especially the HD 558/598 are very sensitive when it comes to "output impedance".
The usual ALC onboard implementation has very high ~70 Ohm output impedance, and this would hit the headphones in question very hard, by causing boomy bass - what the output impedance of this obscure SB ZXRi is, i don't know, but even the real thing has a much too high output impedance(~40 Ohms) for these cans.
The usual ALC onboard implementation has very high ~70 Ohm output impedance, and this would hit the headphones in question very hard, by causing boomy bass - what the output impedance of this obscure SB ZXRi is, i don't know, but even the real thing has a much too high output impedance(~40 Ohms) for these cans.
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I'm both with and against @Scaz - Or maybe I just misunderstood his post.
My short version is without the 558s and the 598s in the same room you probably won't notice the difference, especially coming from a Razer headset. You'd notice they're better, no doubt there.
Similarly with and without a DAC and/or amp you likely won't notice until you have it in hand side by side.
I think its like buying a good MB/processor. Start with something affordable that you can upgrade as you get more involved in audio.
If you have the cash for the 598s, start there, if money is a concern, start with the 558s. Then add a cheap but good DAC. Then maybe an amp.
After that Scaz is right on the money - literally. Upgrading from a 598 + ok DAC/AMP combo will not see much change in performance, but it will cost a pretty penny! Not saying it isn't worth upgrading from there, it all depends on if you're really enjoying your new-found audiophile experience.
Also don't forget if you're using voice comms you'll want a good external mic! You can go cheap and get a Zalman, go mid range and get a ModMic, or go full bore and get a Blue Yeti or similar desktop mic. Depends on what you're doing (Console gaming you'd probably not want a desktop mic).
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My short version is without the 558s and the 598s in the same room you probably won't notice the difference, especially coming from a Razer headset. You'd notice they're better, no doubt there.
Similarly with and without a DAC and/or amp you likely won't notice until you have it in hand side by side.
I think its like buying a good MB/processor. Start with something affordable that you can upgrade as you get more involved in audio.
If you have the cash for the 598s, start there, if money is a concern, start with the 558s. Then add a cheap but good DAC. Then maybe an amp.
After that Scaz is right on the money - literally. Upgrading from a 598 + ok DAC/AMP combo will not see much change in performance, but it will cost a pretty penny! Not saying it isn't worth upgrading from there, it all depends on if you're really enjoying your new-found audiophile experience.
Also don't forget if you're using voice comms you'll want a good external mic! You can go cheap and get a Zalman, go mid range and get a ModMic, or go full bore and get a Blue Yeti or similar desktop mic. Depends on what you're doing (Console gaming you'd probably not want a desktop mic).
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