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Improve your existing GPU cooling for cheap!
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First of all yes it works and I'm not selling anything lol..
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I was bored and much of this content was recycled from my other thread
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. I've been doing this for years and so have many others but I never dedicated a thread to sharing it with the community. I'm not claiming to be the first (could care less who is first but never heard of anyone else) just want to share it if it can help you as it has helped me and many others.

It is almost free and it helps a couple degrees..If that doesn't interest you this would not be the thread for you. Most STOCK GPU BIOS' will throttle based on thermal conditions so keeping everything as cool as possible is the name of the game right? This hack will not magically transform your GPU however it will address two very important areas that will provide you with some benefit (every little bit sometimes counts). The primary benefit is stability and the second benefit of this "GPU life-hack" (IF you are lucky) might be overclocking (theory is improved stability may allow more headroom/less throttling). To be clear, overclocking headroom is really NOT what this is about it is about stability more than anything. This is a great hack for those pushing benchmark scores too as it can help you "get through the test"! Some people just don't like to let their GPU sit there and bake either..

After applying this hack your back-plates under heavy load will no longer be hot to the touch (warm). This is obviously helping to "DRAW" heat away from the back of the PCB (where the GPU, memory and VRMs are all exposed). Whether there is direct contact with the back-plate or not, heat rises and this hack will turn any back-plate into an "Active cooler" (including some of the air that may blow into the gpu itself if the back plate has any openings). If you don't have a back-plate you can still use this hack! The obvious thing would be to ensure that the "feet" to create the air gap on your fan isn't (of course) conductive.

This is NOT for the "average user"... This is for those who like to overclock to the limits and every little bit counts.

There are some very basic fundamentals that apply here.

HEAT RISES and GPUs are most often mounted upside-down. This problem is MUCH worse with SLI configurations. This heat (that rises) will usually end up radiating throughout the entire GPU. The main components that we are concerned with are the GPU, MEMORY chips and the VRMs that provide the voltage. We can only measure the GPU temps but don't forget that instability and lack of overclocking ability can be caused by overheating VRMs and/or memory chips also.

A quick benchmark / idle operation isn't going to expose the conditions this "GPU life hack" will address so let's be clear, this is for when the GPU is under LOAD and has been in operations for a considerable period of time (15+ minutes constant up to hours). During these conditions if you were to (Disclaimer: Don't do this, please be careful) touch the back of the GPU you would quickly realize that it is extremely hot... you could fry an egg...it will burn you... I'm not saying that your GPU is not working as intended or that there is a "problem" with that because GPUs are designed to handle very high temps, much hotter than we can tolerate to the touch so this is normal...

in addition, just to get this out of the way....It is has been proven that mot GPU back-plates alone do not provide cooling benefits. In fact some of them actually trap heat inside. Let's be sure that we contain this fact and testing of it to PASSIVE configurations only. Back plates alone are sometimes not even passive coolers at all, some of them are but neither are active.. Keep it simple
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OK so what is this?

A GPU "Life-hack". Adding a simple fan re-purposes your back plate (or bare PCB) and adds active cooling to the back of your GPU, VRMs and in some cases MEMORY chips.
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It is simply taking advantage of common sense. If the GPU back-plate is extremely hot to the touch after a considerable amount of time under load + the fact that a back-plate does NOT provide thermal reduction on its own = The idea... why not make better use of that back plate? Let's make the back-plate/PCB have ACTIVE COOLING.
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The results are easily measurable (try it!) but we can only easily measure the GPU. The gains on average are anywhere from 1-5C under load (share your results!). It would be great for someone to do some before and after pics with a thermal camera
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Sorry, I don't have one.

This applies to GPUs on AIR and H2O! In my case I have an EK Full cover block for my 980Ti G1s and that back-plate actually makes DIRECT contact with both the VRMs and the GPU. A full cover water block's back plate acts as a passive heat sync and WILL get very hot to the touch also (heat still rises) and why this solution can also apply to those with water cooling solutions.

In this case I wanted to "get creative" and not only cool the PCI-e RAID card in-between the GPUs but the lower GPU in my SLI configuration as well. I used two fans for this. A single 40mm fan alone would not be sufficient.

Size of the fan:
The largest fan size you'll want to use is an 80mm fan however 60mm fans are another excellent choice. 40mm is too small and 120mm+ is simply too big.

Adding a fan changes everything
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Get creative! Don't worry about looks worry about heat
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What you need:
(1) Tie Wraps / Zip ties whatever you call them in your area. The "standard" size I guess not too small and not too large. They have to fit SNUG in the corner holes of the fan used. Use colored ones if you want, they have all kinds of colors.

(2) 80mm fan (ball bearing preferred). You want a high quality fan designed for static pressure. You don't need a high rpm fan that will make a lot of noise but you also don't want a "junk fan" either. If you want to get fancy, use a PWM fan that you can control the RPM to "dial it in" but in a 60mm size the "full speed" is really not audible with a quality fan.




You ALWAYS want the fan BLOWING DOWN on the back-plate/PCB.
This allows the air to SPREAD OVER the entire surface of the back-place/PCB.
Blowing the air UP doesn't work it will only cool that one spot.
You can also adjust the length of the zip ties/tie wraps to adjust the amount of open space between the fan and the GPU.

Give it a try, it is cheap and it may help with stability or possibly even a higher O/C. If nothing else your GPU will thank you
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Please share your Ghetto Cool Tech pics and results (be sure to test accurately, under load over and extended period)!
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Reactions: TomcatV
"Ghetto Cool Tech" ... Great name, needs a patent
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Back in the day a form of this is how we cooled our ram or other mobo troublespots! ... Then by accident I discovered how well it works on GPU's when I realized my custom mount ghetto cooling solution for my ASRock/Sandy Bridge chipset was also cooling my new G1 980Ti (-3-4c) ...



And thanks to Laithan I discovered it works even better on top of the backplate! But I came up with a slightly different mounting method ... which could also work great for you guys without backplates
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Quote from HERE ...

Great point Laithan ... I have a slight variation on my "Ghetto Tek" ... I had some one side sticky weather stripping (1/4" thick x 1"w) laying around ... cut to fit, Works Great! And the rubber won't slide, "dampens" any vibration while protecting that beautiful finish on the Backplate
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That is a 70mm fan from a P4 CPU heatsink IIRC
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Cooler Master Delta AFB0712HHB 70mm x 70mm x 15mm 3-pin Fan
70mm 4300 RPM (Hi speed with RPM sensor) 37.54 CFM 2 Ball 38.5 dBA
Delta AFB0712HHB (3-Wire) Dimensions: 70x70x15 MM
Voltage: DC 12V Current: 0.26A, (Max. 0.45A) Power: 3.12W
Speed: 4300 RPM Air Flow: 37.5 CFM Noise: 38.5 dBA
Bearing: Ball Feature: Speed Sensor (Tach) Termination: 3-Pin / 3-Wire / 7-Inch
I run the fan @1200-1500rpm ... Works great ... +R
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Originally Posted by chimico9 View Post

useless in watercooling
WRONG ... downvote if I could ... read Laithans Post!
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Originally Posted by TomcatV View Post

WRONG ... downvote if I could ... read Laithans Post!
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specifically where ?
I read temperature difference but not absolute temperature
and if it is as the video says : 45°C to 40°C = no gain (other than in temperature and noise pollution?)

do you need to run the fans at full 12V to have those improvements ?
 
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Originally Posted by chimico9 View Post

useless in watercooling
>quoting something j2c says as factual truth

Yeah... that's gonna go well.

4 degrees C could be the difference between stability or instability.

Back when I ran my Phenom at full blast overclocks (4.15GHz), 62C was impossible to boot into Windows. 58? Stable all day long.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

>quoting something j2c says as factual truth

Yeah... that's gonna go well.

4 degrees C could be the difference between stability or instability.

Back when I ran my Phenom at full blast overclocks (4.15GHz), 62C was impossible to boot into Windows. 58? Stable all day long.
Indeed so true, especially when we are only measuring GPU temps... I wish GPUs would include VRM and memory thermal sensors (standard) also but most don't. A MOD BIOS will be pushing the VRMs harder if voltage has been increased over stock.
 
1-I quote j2c for what he said, not because he said it;
I hope you understand the difference

2- @ Artikbot
few degrees are a big difference when you are very near the maximum temp allowed for your cpu
(phenom II ? I read it's something like 70°C, correct me please)
so
what is the difference between 40°C and 45°C when a GPU can handle "like a breeze" even 90°C ?

3- @ Laithan

source : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-water-cooling,4975-2.html

same talk : what can few degrees do when vrm can operate at like 105°C ?

I hope to see some real data, test, achievement,... before and after the mod
otherwise my statement hold the same values as yours

I will be the first to downvote myself if proven to be wrong
 
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Originally Posted by chimico9 View Post

1-I quote j2c for what he said, not because he said it;
I hope you understand the difference

2- @ Artikbot
few degrees are a big difference when you are very near the maximum temp allowed for your cpu
(phenom II ? I read it's something like 70°C, correct me please)
so
what is the difference between 40°C and 45°C when a GPU can handle "like a breeze" even 90°C ?

3- @ Laithan

source : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-1080-ti-water-cooling,4975-2.html

same talk : what can few degrees do when vrm can operate at like 105°C ?

I hope to see some real data, test, achievement,... before and after the mod
otherwise my statement hold the same values as yours

I will be the first to downvote myself if proven to be wrong
Hey bud. I can appreciate your comments and thank you for your feedback.
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Since you busted out the screenshot
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This really shouldn't be a debate so I would like to not make it one but I also wanted you to understand what was actually stated
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. The points that you are making are indeed valid in the narrow context that you are presenting your opinion and I would agree with you there. There isn't a "one result fits all variables" solution here and that's what I think needs to be understood.

» For example that thermal image used was on a GPU that (1) Is a founder's edition card (less VRMs, etc) (2) Is using Pascal which is one of the cooler running chips in comparison to older architectures. (3) Is using a STOCK BIOS... Pascal BIOS' cannot be MOD'd yet which means the voltage cannot be increased which means the VRMs will not work harder, etc...



» We should keep in mind that there's NO DOUBT (I suppose this is common sense right) that the benefits of Ghetto cool tech
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on an AIR COOLED system VS a WATER COOLED system will be considerably different. The MAJORITY of people that will benefit... no let me re-phrase that, people using this supplemental cooling MOD will gain far more benefit when using an AIR COOLED GPU... this doesn't mean there are no benefits what-so-ever for a water cooled system under all possible configurations and conditions. Some people really push things hard...others just "feel better" when things are "nice and cool"... Trust me a back-plate on a water block gets pretty toasty after a while!

» Some people build loops with insufficient rad space.. it happens.. Many years ago I have had to literally shut down and just let my loop cool off before I could use my PC reliably again.

» It was never stated or implied that equal improvements would be seen with AIR and H2O, I simply stated that it can be used with a water block also. I did say that it can be of benefit to water cooled GPUs also even if the benefits are far less than AIR.
Let me give you MY specific example:
This is the back of my GPU as I was assembling the block. Placing thermal pads on the BACK of the VRMs and GPU are part of the manufacturer's instructions. This was not my wild idea. The thermal pads are placed there for only one reason... because they are making direct contact with the BACK-PLATE.




You can clearly see that this back-plate is legitimately a PASSIVE COOLER. Changing a PASSIVE COOLER into an ACTIVE COOLER is part of the idea here. With the fact that heat rises and that active cooling is far more efficient than passive cooling there's no way this cannot be of benefit.


My GPUs
980Ti G1s w/MOD BIOS
1.293v
475W
Average boost speed in SLI = 1610Mhz
Using Ghetto Cool Tech the back-plates are nice and warm instead of too hot to touch... The fans are actively removing a LOT of heat and my back-plate cooling efficiency has probably doubled if not more...again, heat rises... heat radiates throughout the entire GPU....Overall stability has improved.

EK back-plate Instruction manual
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/EK-IM/EK-IM-3831109830932.pdf

Details

EK-FC980 GTX Ti WF3 Backplate is a retention backplate made of black anodized aluminum for EK-FC980 GTX Ti WF3 series water block.

Backplate covers the whole lenght of graphics cards PCB, serves as an aesthetic add-on and also provides passive cooling for the backside of voltage regulation module (VRM).

This backplate is guaranteed to be compatible only with GIGABYTE design GeForce GTX 980 Ti G1 graphics cards.

Enclosed:
-EK-FC980 GTX Ti WF3 Backplate - Black
- mounting mechanism
- thermal pads

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LOL!!

Have a great day my friend
 
Sorry for the image
I know that is inappropriate
in my short research it was the first that I found with direct comparison between air and liquid cooler

I'd like to see a flir image of a 980Ti watercooled but google image didn't help
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as for the backplate:
cooling is NOT its primary purpose
but change it into a heat trap (without pads) would be pretty stupid, not?
 
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Originally Posted by zGunBLADEz View Post

Actually i found removing the 1080 reference backplate and put active cooling on it drop temps 3-5C.. Theres only 3 thermal pads on the plate which touch the backplate itself..
Thats an extra 240 rad space drop alone XD
Good point thanks for sharing the results. +REP
 
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"Ghetto Cool Tech" ... Great name, needs a patent
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i have the patent ,IP & copyright
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(Laithan as the TM
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Last years range but will be updated soon once the peeps in ghetto labs get off there arses ...but eh! this is ghetto tech slow production **** products but do the job ...



What's new coming this year from Ghetto Tech

The Ghetto i Tech Apple Laptop range

PC to Apple converter ...cheap too....



Apple turbo ultimate ghetto plus plus cooler



And the Ghetto tech Room Range

Very proud of my team creating this one



supplied with 2 free plastic bottles and 1 ice tray to place in freezer once frozen then attach them on the cooler unit and your good to go ...(water & freezer NOT inc)
 
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Originally Posted by harney View Post

i have the patent ,IP & copyright
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(Laithan as the TM
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Last years range but will be updated soon once the peeps in ghetto labs get off there arses ...but eh! this is ghetto tech slow production **** products but do the job ...



What's new coming this year from Ghetto Tech
The Ghetto i Tech Apple Laptop range

PC to Apple converter ...cheap too....



Apple turbo ultimate ghetto plus plus cooler



And the Ghetto tech Room Range

Very proud of my team creating this one


supplied with 2 free plastic bottles and 1 ice tray to place in freezer once frozen then attach them on the cooler unit and your good to go ...(water & freezer NOT inc)
Good ones! LMAO!!! We'll make millions (in NVIDIA bux...like monopoly money)

Now THAT'S really GHETTO COOL TECH right there!


I bet the ice pack with the fan actually works!
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Thanks for the laugh my friend!
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

Good ones! LMAO!!! We'll make millions (in NVIDIA bux...like monopoly money)

Now THAT'S really GHETTO COOL TECH right there!


I bet the ice pack with the fan actually works!
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Thanks for the laugh my friend!
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it works believe me it works extensive ghetto testings where carried out over the winter period ......unfortunately two workers where electrocuted in the ghetto lab while in the process of testing (there fine by the way) ....condensation & ice tray leakage onto the fan motor where the cause ...but do not worry if you order the product ... as its the updated motor fan mk3 with ghetto gaffer water proof tape which is supplied free as standard so again its safe
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still unsure
well it does come with a seal of approval by chuck .....

 
Discussion starter · #19 ·
Lol!
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Got a little ghetto from 2003...

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Added a couple fans to help cool the gpu on my gf3 and 9700pro. Used a piece of plexi, hole saw, 60-80mm fan adapter (to focus airflow), and two pipe holders to bend and hold top fan blowing on back of the gpu.

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Later model adding duct through pci blower.
 
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