Phanteks Evolve fan hub / Corsair ML120 Pro Fans

DigitrevX · May 20, 2017

Tell you guys what. It's a fine hub if you want to have a static rpm.
That's about as much credit as I'll give it. Other then that is just add's more variables to work around when there are better solutions. I don't know where that chart was made but I can say with what I've tested it's not accurate. And that is a small part to why I already ordered a new hub and removing the Phanteks hub. The major reason being I need +12v constant for the new fans and that was the actual reason for the thread. I don't feel this type of designed hub fits a premium case expectations, just like the fans installed don't match my expectations and that is why both are being removed.

doyll · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by DigitrevX

Tell you guys what. It's a fine hub if you want to have a static rpm.
That's about as much credit as I'll give it. Other then that is just add's more variables to work around when there are better solutions. I don't know where that chart was made but I can say with what I've tested it's not accurate. And that is a small part to why I already ordered a new hub and removing the Phanteks hub. The major reason being I need +12v constant for the new fans and that was the actual reason for the thread. I don't feel this type of designed hub fits a premium case expectations, just like the fans installed don't match my expectations and that is why both are being removed.

That's your opinion. I know the man who did the testing and know it's accurate .. way more accurate then your half baked testing and analysis is. At least he used VOM, oscilloscope, etc to do his testing gives resulting data supporting it. Sure beats your "with one fan it does blah blah" and claiming PWM signal to fan RPM should be linear when it's a known fact fans do not have a linear PMW curve in their built-in circuitry .. as shown by test after test after test of fans by professionals.

ciarlatano · May 20, 2017

Well.....I give up. I'm just going to go back to deluding myself with these inferior fans controls and terrible Phanteks fans. Maybe I should dig through my storage unit for some of those superior Corsair fans so I can get some more dB in my system with less actual CFM.

AlphaC · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by DigitrevX

That's cool but I want proper pwm control. The controller that comes with the case has a very narrow rpm range due to impractical design. 1% speed =/= 1% of the fans rpm range even with their own products.
So I still need a hub, and I kinda like the idea of non specific fans for general purpose.

It (the Phanteks hub) isn't "proper PWM control" as you call it because it's designed to voltage control 3 pin fans. 3 pins fan still have a sense pin to read RPM but the Phanteks hub is using the feedback from the PWM fan that acts as the baseline of speed for the 3 pin fans.

The variance in fan speeds is due to analog signal in the form of variable voltage. A digital signal from PWM is always going to be more accurate.

Just because an overpriced Corsair fan requires +12V to work properly doesn't invalidate the hub.

PWM fan pinout:
1 GND Black
2 12 V Yellow
3 Sense Green , aka Tachometer
4 Control Blue

3 pin fan pinout:
1 GND Black
2 +12V Red
3 Tachometer (Speed readout) Yellow

DigitrevX · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by doyll

That's your opinion. I know the man who did the testing and know it's accurate .. way more accurate then your half baked testing and analysis is. At least he used VOM, oscilloscope, etc to do his testing gives resulting data supporting it. Sure beats your "with one fan it does blah blah" and claiming PWM signal to fan RPM should be linear when it's a known fact fans do not have a linear PMW curve in their built-in circuitry .. as shown by test after test after test of fans by professionals.

Cool, ignore the fact I said the fans / plural that come with the case. Anyways, I got 2 electrical mechanical engineers in close family with 50 years combine exp in high speed assembly lines. I'm pretty sure if I needed help understanding whats going on with how phantek is handling fan control in their hub I can manage without your input. But the passive aggressive response is cute.

DigitrevX · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by AlphaC

It (the Phanteks hub) isn't "proper PWM control" as you call it because it's designed to voltage control 3 pin fans. 3 pins fan still have a sense pin to read RPM but the Phanteks hub is using the feedback from the PWM fan that acts as the baseline of speed for the 3 pin fans.

The variance in fan speeds is due to analog signal in the form of variable voltage. A digital signal from PWM is always going to be more accurate.

Just because an overpriced Corsair fan requires +12V to work properly doesn't invalidate the hub.

PWM fan pinout:
1 GND Black
2 12 V Yellow
3 Sense Green , aka Tachometer
4 Control Blue

3 pin fan pinout:
1 GND Black
2 +12V Red
3 Tachometer (Speed readout) Yellow

I know, that's part of why it's going in the trash.
Also: The "overpriced Corsair" fans are not in my possession yet. I'm running this off phanteks amazing case fans that come in their over priced case.

patryk · May 20, 2017

hello
i have phanteks enthoo pimo and orygin phanteks hub (MSI x99s gaming 7)
In the channel SYS FAN 1,2,3 case fan no work
and the question is whether in my motherboard i can change the dc signal to pvm?
Because in the manual I have not found anything about it

AlphaC · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by DigitrevX

I know, that's part of why it's going in the trash.

I would eBay it, but to each his own.

Anyhow it isn't totally trash, just not applicable for the purpose you are using them. The Corsair ML120 fans are an oddity that requires +12V.
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Originally Posted by patryk

hello
i have phanteks enthoo pimo and orygin phanteks hub (MSI x99s gaming 7)
In the channel SYS FAN 1,2,3 case fan no work
and the question is whether in my motherboard i can change the dc signal to pvm?
Because in the manual I have not found anything about it

I don't think you can use PWM on auxiliary fans on that board. It has NC for the 4th pin. Unless your PWM fans are odd like the ML120, it should work fine with voltage control.

DigitrevX · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by AlphaC

I would eBay it, but to each his own.

Anyhow it isn't totally trash, just not applicable for the purpose you are using them. The Corsair ML120 fans are an oddity that requires +12V.
I don't think you can use PWM on auxiliary fans on that board. It has NC for the 4th pin. Unless your PWM fans are odd like the ML120, it should work fine with voltage control.

That is true it isn't a normal situation. The hub isn't worth all that much really. Shipping it would cost half the value of it.

patryk · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by AlphaC

I would eBay it, but to each his own.

Anyhow it isn't totally trash, just not applicable for the purpose you are using them. The Corsair ML120 fans are an oddity that requires +12V.
I don't think you can use PWM on auxiliary fans on that board. It has NC for the 4th pin. Unless your PWM fans are odd like the ML120, it should work fine with voltage control.

i want 2 CPU FAN chanel to me water loop but phanteks hub do not want to act on SYS FAN chanel

doyll · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by DigitrevX

That is true it isn't a normal situation. The hub isn't worth all that much really. Shipping it would cost half the value of it.

Didn't you get it as accessory in your case? If this is true and it's value is half of it's value and that the shipping cost of the case is double digit this a vary valuable piece.

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Originally Posted by patryk

i want 2 CPU FAN chanel to me water loop but phanteks hub do not want to act on SYS FAN chanel

For the Phanteks hub to work you must have "speed control" on pin-4. That is the PWM sjgnal required for hub to change 12v constant voltage to variable voltage.

DigitrevX · May 20, 2017

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Originally Posted by doyll

Didn't you get it as accessory in your case? If this is true and it's value is half of it's value and that the shipping cost of the case is double digit this a vary valuable piece.

Half the value of shipping the hub if I sold on ebay. It's 19usd new. Mine doesn't even have a shroud, and its considered a used item now. So I can sell it for like 10-15usd. Shipping will be between $3-6. It's not even worth putting gas in the car and my time listing it for that sorta profit.

patryk · May 21, 2017

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Originally Posted by DigitrevX

Half the value of shipping the hub if I sold on ebay. It's 19usd new. Mine doesn't even have a shroud, and its considered a used item now. So I can sell it for like 10-15usd. Shipping will be between $3-6. It's not even worth putting gas in the car and my time listing it for that sorta profit.

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Originally Posted by AlphaC

I would eBay it, but to each his own.

Anyhow it isn't totally trash, just not applicable for the purpose you are using them. The Corsair ML120 fans are an oddity that requires +12V.
I don't think you can use PWM on auxiliary fans on that board. It has NC for the 4th pin. Unless your PWM fans are odd like the ML120, it should work fine with voltage control.

CPU_FAN1 CPU_FAN2 (4pin)
SYS_FAN 1 ,2 ,3 (4pin)
But in the bios I can not find anything about these channels

ciarlatano · May 21, 2017

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Originally Posted by patryk

CPU_FAN1 CPU_FAN2 (4pin)
SYS_FAN 1 ,2 ,3 (4pin)
But in the bios I can not find anything about these channels

The SYS headers do not have a PWM signal, and therefore can not control the hub.

patryk · May 22, 2017

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Originally Posted by ciarlatano

The SYS headers do not have a PWM signal, and therefore can not control the hub.

You do not know if my motherboard has the ability to change DC on PWM (msi x99s gaming 7) ?

claes · May 22, 2017

I think AlphaC posted your motherboard's manual earlier - you should check it out! Some of those 4-pin headers are not PWM. The manual should explain if you can change the true PWM headers to voltage control.

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