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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

"windows 10 best OS ever"

Better than 7?????

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You really don't think the telemetry is a problem?. Even if you trust Microsoft to not do anything too crazy with the data.

Do you really trust them to be able to protect it in the long term?

I gain a lot by giving up my privacy to google. Looking at windows 10 as a windows 7 user I don't see me gaining much but better targeted ads on windows 10
"Better than 7?????"
8.1 is better than 7 in just about every way other than UI, but classic shell or the likes fixes that in all of what...30 seconds?
But the performance boost(no matter how slight) is worth it alone...

As for 10....

Just switched the gaming rig from 8.1 to 10.
I have no issue with MS knowing my steam/origin/battlenet info, don't download anything etc..
So the telemetry and data storage worries me not.
Have not gotten a single ad.

So those points are null... for me at least..

The one thing that actually bothers me about 10 is my graphics driver now crashes 10000% more often lol
 
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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

"windows 10 best OS ever"

Better than 7?????

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Likewise.
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You really don't think the telemetry is a problem?. Even if you trust Microsoft to not do anything too crazy with the data.

Do you really trust them to be able to protect it in the long term?

I gain a lot by giving up my privacy to google. Looking at windows 10 as a windows 7 user I don't see me gaining much but better targeted ads on windows 10
Freedom is slavery.
 
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So MS can now using the patent to categorizing files using the telemetry information, check each file you use in your computer, and decide what to do with it, as well as use the information individually (instead of the information being used under bulk as they said it will be) against each person.

I'm going to see a shift to apple (which claim to not use your information or tracking you), or linux, where there is a lot more free options, and could be a lot more security.

I'm just happy my NAS still runs windows 7/linux without updates and behind a small FW. no telemetry BS.

My gaming rig running windows 10 has nothing to do with any downloads.
 
the problem is that windows 10 often does thins that it wants, not what I want
 
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Originally Posted by Defoler View Post

yet
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Yeah it was pretty much my only fear.
But to my understanding they only show up in file explorer.. So doesn't really matter for my gaming rig where everything is launched from the desktop.

But alas I intend to go back to 8.1 tomorrow as my geforce driver died 3 times during a single round of bf4 tonight...

LoL
 
Speculation over what could happen, as none of this has been implemented. Goes without saying that win 10 adoption would die overnight if any of these policies are enforced.
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Microsoft's patent relies on fingerprint recognition to identify the source of these illegal files and block them. Along with blocking these files, users who frequently share files without authorization could end up being singled out and punished.
Don't most major antivirus already do this? ('accidentally' deleting system files, flagging otherwise clean files, etc) This'll be fun to watch...
 
You can keep the forced advertisements, forced updates that routinely break things, forced setting resets, probable spyware, candy crush, big brother wrongthink etc.

I'll keep using Windows 7 that has been running clean and consistent for years. It' so much run to read all the problem threads and tweaks you people have to do after every single update.
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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

"windows 10 best OS ever"

Better than 7?????

*
You really don't think the telemetry is a problem?. Even if you trust Microsoft to not do anything too crazy with the data.

Do you really trust them to be able to protect it in the long term?

I gain a lot by giving up my privacy to google. Looking at windows 10 as a windows 7 user I don't see me gaining much but better targeted ads on windows 10
I don't think MS are really going to do anything particularly interesting with the data they collect, that said I still disable telemetry.

Just like every competent user on this site is capable of doing.

It's basically a free OS, and not a half bad one, paid for with the data of less tech-adept people. What's not to like?
 
I'm good on constantly checking settings after updates for what amounts to many labor hours for again...nothing

What do you gain by moving to 10?

lol

People on this forum need to learn to stick to older tech until they have a reason to upgrade. Wayyy too much needless changing of platforms around here.
 
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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

I'm good on constantly checking settings after updates for what amounts to many labor hours for again...nothing

What do you gain by moving to 10?

lol

People on this forum need to learn to stick to older tech until they have a reason to upgrade. Wayyy too much needless changing of platforms around here.
Could you link me to one of the updates you are concerned about?
 
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Originally Posted by NihilOC View Post

Could you link me to one of the updates you are concerned about?
There are tens of thousands of reports of updates flipping default windows settings

I feel no need, and i wouldn't have to check those settings in an OS without obviously intrusive telemetry

Why don't you link me to what you gain on windows 10 that justifies the move in your mind?
 
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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

There are tens of thousands of reports of updates flipping default windows settings

I feel no need, and i wouldn't have to check those settings in an OS without obviously intrusive telemetry
*Obviously intrusive anonymised telemetry that can be disabled, with unsubstantiated and irreplicable reports of updates restoring default telemetry group policy settings.

Doesn't sound quite so doom-and-gloom when you put it like that, does it?

I have auto-updates enabled, just checked and telemetry is still disabled btw.

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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

Why don't you link me to what you gain on windows 10 that justifies the move in your mind?
The justifications would be interface improvements, DX12, improved boot times and power management (for laptops).

The interface improvements I understand is quite an expansive description, but realistically it spans everything from the new explorer to better multi-monitor support and the majority of the improvements are iterative anyway.

Mostly the improvements to the GUI to be honest, Windows 7 always seemed a bit naggy to me and Windows 8 was an absolute horror show in terms of interface design.

There are also quite a few security features which are architectural in nature, and you won't be seeing added to your 8 year old OS. (Stuff like secure boot, VBS, DMA attack mitigation etc. although it's not the most exciting stuff it's one of the main reasons people shouldn't stick with antiquated software)
 
DX12 isn't getting you anything in any game. Even in battlefield from what I've seen dx11 is still better for multiplayer. Whether you're on 7 or 10 dx11 is still better

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/22/dx12_versus_dx11_gaming_performance_video_card_review/7 (most recent one I could find)

As to improved boot times and power management especially those seem reasonable if you're on a portable. But that's not your "battlestation" is it? My boot times are very fast on 7 and I'm on ivybridge and a half decade old ssd.

But on a portable I can see that. I don't own a laptop anymore and had forgotten that was even a consideration.

And I understand you unchecked, but you have to keep making sure it's unchecked. It could go back to the default for any number of reasons, most obviously just an unintended bug. I worked for apple, trust me when you push updates to tens of millions of people things break, and MS makes apple look tiny from a userbase and complexity perspective. Reverting back to defaults could barely be considered a bug. It would be foolhardy to not check after every update assuming you consider the options important (which you may not). You may have a .0001% chance of getting bit. But it might happen, and would nag me personally as it should you if the option is important
 
Everybody talks about WIn 7, may be I'm weird but except the long boot time, I always felt that Vista 64bit's UI and explorer performance/response time was much smoother than Win 7, 8.1 and even 10.

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My ISP has already banned most of those sites last year and many other ISPs have done the same afaik. And it is becoming stricter with time.
One who torrents is endangering him/herself to end up in jail for 3 years and/or with fine of ~$5000.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/technology/story/are-you-a-criminal-now-users-may-get-3-yr-in-jail-for-viewing-torrent-site-blocked-url-in-india/1/745181.html

Setting Google DNS solves this though, but this doesn't hide you from ISP.
 
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Originally Posted by Juicin View Post

DX12 isn't getting you anything in any game. Even in battlefield from what I've seen dx11 is still better for multiplayer. Whether you're on 7 or 10 dx11 is still better

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/22/dx12_versus_dx11_gaming_performance_video_card_review/7 (most recent one I could find)

As to improved boot times and power management especially those seem reasonable if you're on a portable. But that's not your "battlestation" is it? My boot times are very fast on 7 and I'm on ivybridge and a half decade old ssd.

But on a portable I can see that. I don't own a laptop anymore and had forgotten that was even a consideration.

And I understand you unchecked, but you have to keep making sure it's unchecked. It could go back to the default for any number of reasons, most obviously just an unintended bug. I worked for apple, trust me when you push updates to tens of millions of people things break, and MS makes apple look tiny from a userbase and complexity perspective. Reverting back to defaults could barely be considered a bug. It would be foolhardy to not check after every update assuming you consider the options important (which you may not). You may have a .0001% chance of getting bit. But it might happen, and would nag me personally as it should you if the option is important
There's also a 0.0001% chance of me being struck by lightning but I don't wander around in wellington boots.

The chance of there being a bug (or bugs) like that that can't be reproduced is extremely small, not to mention the low chance of such a specific bug occurring regardless.

I mean you'd need Windows Update to delete very specific registry entries, that it has no reason to even amend. I find it unlikely any updates would even have the code required to do this, let alone that some random configuration or badly behaving third party software could cause it to trigger.

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Originally Posted by Dyson Poindexter View Post

And you think 10 is less naggy?
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I've never seen that on mine, presume it's something I disabled in group policy when I set it up.

Either that or they don't include them in the pro version?
 
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Originally Posted by Dyson Poindexter View Post

And you think 10 is less naggy?
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I'm competent enough to flip a few switches in settings and disable those entirely. Either A) you're too lazy to mess with settings, in which case I have no sympathy, or B) you're not actually good at using computers, in which case I must wonder why you're on OCN of all websites.
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Seriously though I've never seen them once. I think I started using Windows 10 a few months after the free upgrade period started, but I have yet to see a single ad outside a web browser. There's a lot of FUD about Windows 10 and I suspect the people most vocally against it have used it the least and simply parrot whatever alarmist headlines come out. Like this article's for instance.
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Main problem I have with Windows 10 is microsoft removing options/control from the user. Yeah I could disable Windows Defender, One Drive from context many, telemetry, automatic updates and action center. But I had to edit regedit keys. People talk about boot times and snappier OS. On every hardware I touched, Windows 8.1 was by far the fastest OS. Windows 10 multi monitor support and scaling is miles ahead tho, and that´s what made me stick to it. Not DX12 or anything, that´s useless and I hope Vullkan/openGL dominate in the future.
 
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