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#5,002 ·
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The ML120 fans are fast and powerfull but in regard of their performances, they are not specifically noisy. Their quality looks pretty good.

The noise comes from the direct mounting on the case.
The weight of the radiator prevents the use of soft pins. Its has to be screwed directly is the case. That way, their noise is amplified by all the case.

Actually, I use one of the fan of the ML120. It's mounted at the place where its radiator would be: at the rear of the case, but it's mounted with soft pins that prevent the fan vibrations to pass to the case.

With a 240 AIO, the larger fans runs slower, making the whole system less "whinny".

But with an ATX motherboard, the ML120 can fit almost every case, unlike the ML 240 that need enough place for two 140 fans, usually at the top of the case.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the only noise of the ML120 comes from the radiators and its fans. The pump of mine was always perfectly silent.
If only my Eisbaer pump could be so silent too...
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I've even tried to place the ML120 rad inside the case. It made it less noisy, but it was still less silent than the NH-D15:
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I see, good explanation, thanks.

Since I am a bit analytical I may be overanalyzing all this.

I think I will start with cleaning old cooling paste from my be quiet Pure Rock Slim and 1600X cpu and reinstall everything then I will go from there.

A Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 120 or Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 could be an alternative if keeping my case but also a more effecient bigger air cooler, I need to check exactly what I can fit in my case.

I'm not even sure I will overclock but I have learned during the years that efficient cooling dramatically helps in system stability.

I don't like too much noise though and this fact may keep me away from the Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 systems. Good to know that noise/db level from Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 is ok on it's own but noise coming from the direct mounting on the case....

If being stubborn about a 120 mm liquid cooling system then perhaps the arctic liquid freezer 120 is a better choice (but also more expensive). It also have the same type of direct mounting on the case I think though....

Confused though: You wrote the Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 providing approximately the same level of cooling as Noctua D15? Then the CM MasterLiquid 120 should be fine for overclocking too even though the 240 would be even better?
 
#5,003 ·
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I see, good explanation, thanks.

Since I am a bit analytical I may be overanalyzing all this.

I think I will start with cleaning old cooling paste from my be quiet Pure Rock Slim and 1600X cpu and reinstall everything then I will go from there.

A Cooler Master MasterLiquid Lite 120 or Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 could be an alternative if keeping my case but also a more effecient bigger air cooler, I need to check exactly what I can fit in my case.

I'm not even sure I will overclock but I have learned during the years that efficient cooling dramatically helps in system stability.

I don't like too much noise though and this fact may keep me away from the Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 systems. Good to know that noise/db level from Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 is ok on it's own but noise coming from the direct mounting on the case....

If being stubborn about a 120 mm liquid cooling system then perhaps the arctic liquid freezer 120 is a better choice (but also more expensive). It also have the same type of direct mounting on the case I think though....

Confused though: You wrote the Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120 providing approximately the same level of cooling as Noctua D15? Then the CM MasterLiquid 120 should be fine for overclocking too even though the 240 would be even better?
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I only upgraded my ML120 because I wanted to push my 1700X as far as I could. It is a capable cooler - just make sure you do the paste correctly. It's really quiet - I fitted mine to the inside rear of my case, sucking cool air in with 2 fans on the top spitting the warm air straight out. The 240 has just given me that extra headroom.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of noise, but at the same time it doesn't bother me. I've replaced my CM fans with 2 FF5-120s which can go at up to 3000rpm - which is definitely noisy lol. Using FanXpert I've tuned the CPU fans to be at about 1400rpm @ idle, and they ramp up (in normal mixed use) to no more than 2500/2600 in all but the hardest torture tests, where they try to take off at about 2900/3000rpm! These fans move much more air than the original CMs at repetitively low rpm/noise level. Still tuning them though and think they can go lower still at idle and maybe improve performance and cooling at load.

If you're not going to heaily OC your cpu and voltages, then the ML 120 will do a good job. Of course if you have the space, you can also mount front fans to bring more cool air into you case to help cool everything else.

Edit: at idle I'm 27 degrees, load about 70, but only briefly. My room is 18-20 degrees C.
 
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#5,004 ·
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Thinking about improving my cpu cooling for my 1600X. I may clean it and reapply new cooling paste for my be quiet Pure Rock Slim before giving that up, If I manage to get temps down 5 degrees or so I may stick with that.

I have my super old "retro" Cooler Master 631 case. ;-) Maximum height is probably 140-150 mm for an air cooler, I need to check.

It is not a big price difference between a 120mm liquid cooler system comparing to a better air cooler, especially not for the cooler master masterliquid 120 system.

I have never had a liquid cooler though and is a bit insecure about db levels, maintenance and realiability. Also perhaps the cooling performance between a liquid 120 system and a decent air cooler is very small?

The installation of cooler master masterliquid 120 looking really easy for AM4 though.
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Wow, you get the same temps under full load with your Thermaltake contac silent 12 aircooler comparing to @Lermite running his AIO Alphacool Eisbaer 280 system??

That's really impressive, not sure if you have the same cpu and clock level though?

I get about 10 degrees higher with my be quiet Pure Rock Slim (and 1600X, running stock) under full load (stress fpu in Aida64, prime95).

I loved my Thermaltake Typhoon back in the days, maybe they still produce great produckts.
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I agree with crakej. A 120mm radiator AIO is insufficient....is the equivalent of a rather thin Noctua U12S. Even with two fans in push/pull. I had one in my Intel system and I had to replace it to a 240mm AIO, the same I have now and it makes a world of difference.
 
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#5,005 ·
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thank s alot my friend
no no i use llc3.

With this talk, can I go up to 4 GHz? with llc5?
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No , depend on silicon lottery.most of them are 3.9
 
#5,006 ·
@SaccoSVD & @crakej

Thanks

Well, we'll see, I just unmounted my be quiet! pure rock slim cooler and cleaned it together with the 1600X surface, reapplied new Arctic Silver 5 cooling paste (was actually the orignal factory preapplied paste before). Curious to see if I get lower temps, there is 200 hours break in in time for the arctic silver 5 though. Average tdie now in idle 35.5 after running about 15-20 minutes and only doing some web browsing and hwinfo64 readings..

This compact (good value) cooler is most probably ok for handling the 1600X stock but not for overclocking. Was a bit stupid not buying the slightly larger be quiet! Pure Rock though which probably would have fit exactly (very, very tight though).

If going for a bigger air cooler capable for overclocking up to 3.9GHz or higher (Noctua D15 etc) or a 240 water cooling system then I will simply buy a new case first giving me some space. It's possible the arctic liquid freezer 120 is more capable than the cooler master masterliquid 120 but I would probably go with a 240 system after your recommendations.
 
#5,007 ·
Question about the Ryzen X models (I have the 1600X):

When loading the cpu it locks at 3,7GHz, this is how it is supposed to work, right? XFR and turbo boost only working at lower temps?

This would actually be a very, very good reason for overclocking though.
 
#5,008 ·
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Question about the Ryzen X models (I have the 1600X):

When loading the cpu it locks at 3,7GHz, this is how it is supposed to work, right? XFR and turbo boost only working at lower temps?

This would actually be a very, very good reason for overclocking though.
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i never really tried. I think XFR is supposed to go up to 4ghz in one or two cores on the 1600x and 4.1 in the 1800x

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_5/1600x
 
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#5,011 ·
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Wow, you get the same temps under full load with your Thermaltake contac silent 12 aircooler comparing to @Lermite running his AIO Alphacool Eisbaer 280 system??

That's really impressive, not sure if you have the same cpu and clock level though?

I get about 10 degrees higher with my be quiet Pure Rock Slim (and 1600X, running stock) under full load (stress fpu in Aida64, prime95).

I loved my Thermaltake Typhoon back in the days, maybe they still produce great produckts.
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Sorry , I didn't pay attention to @Lermite's Images, His ryzen was running at 3841 while mine was 3.6.Now I test ryzen at 3.9 and see how my air cooling works.
 
#5,012 ·
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Even on single core tests such as CB15?

I might try just cause I'm curious.
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Hmmm, I believe so, but for testing this you will have to run your cpu in stock settings first.

I also believe that turbo and xfr will be able to work a longer time if you have good cooling.

For me all cpu's locks pretty quickly at 37.0X in hwinfo when running benchmarks.

Edit: Hmmm, for single core test in CB I don't think it locks speed for cores, only for multi..
 
#5,015 ·
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Hmmm, I believe so, but for testing this you will have to run your cpu in stock settings first.

I also believe that turbo and xfr will be able to work a longer time if you have good cooling.

For me all cpu's locks pretty quickly at 37.0X in hwinfo when running benchmarks.

Edit: Hmmm, for single core test in CB I don't think it locks speed for cores, only for multi..
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So I tried here. Indeed when stressing one core it goes only to 3.7Ghz

I tried CB15, CPUZ single score test and finally OCCT CPU test using a single thread.

With CB15, even on the single core test all cores go to 3.7Ghz

With CPUZ same thing.

With OCCT 1 thread I can see only one core at 3.7Ghz and all other cores downclocked to different speeds.

I see bumps up to 4.1Ghz but ONLY at idle...which sucks.

That would explain the lousy CB15 single core score at stock.
 
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#5,016 ·
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So I tried here. Indeed when stressing one core it goes only to 3.7Ghz

I tried CB15, CPUZ single score test and finally OCCT CPU test using a single thread.

With CB15, even on the single core test all cores go to 3.7Ghz

With CPUZ same thing.

With OCCT 1 thread I can see only one core at 3.7Ghz and all other cores downclocked to different speeds.

I see bumps up to 4.1Ghz but ONLY at idle...which sucks.

That would explain the lousy CB15 single core score at stock.
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Ok, yeah, this actually makes overclocking much more interesting for Ryzen X cpu's. ;-) Only utilizing turbo and xfr at lower temperatures or what?

Ooops, just had a bsod about one hour after I reapplied cooling paste..... xxxx :-(

Left hwinfo64 running, hopefully hwinfo64 cased this crash...

One thing is for sure, the arctic silver 5 helped my temperatures a bit both during idle and load and this is before the paste is broken in.
 
#5,017 ·
My temps were ridiculously low while testing single thread at auto. Can't tell if the individual core was hotter, probably yes.

But I don't like at all 4.1 XFR is just more of a gimmick to show numbers than something real. (it seems)
 
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#5,018 ·
I have lots of questions today.

Do I really need these Asus Windows services?

ASUS Com Service
ASUS HM Com Service
ASUS System Control Service
AsusFanControlService

Actually the AsusFanControlService is also giving me errors in the event log.

Are these pieces from the AI Suite installation which I thought I uninstalled?
 
#5,019 ·
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I have lots of questions today.

Do I really need these Asus Windows services?

ASUS Com Service
ASUS HM Com Service
ASUS System Control Service
AsusFanControlService

Actually the AsusFanControlService is also giving me errors in the event log.

Are these pieces from the AI Suite installation which I thought I uninstalled?
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Those are part of the AI suite. They can remain there after you uninstall them. The fan service is specifically the worst one, the one I think causes instability.

To remove them manually you need to go into the registry to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services

And reboot...also the dlls remain in program files x86/ ASUS or something like that, you can safely remove them.

And remove them from there. They show up in that list.
 
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#5,020 ·
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Sorry , I didn't pay attention to @Lermite's Images, His ryzen was running at 3841 while mine was 3.6.Now I test ryzen at 3.9 and see how my air cooling works.
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Remember that the displayed frequency is as inaccurate as the bus frequency, because the bus freq. is guess from a very approximate calculations, and the frequency results from this false bus clock x CPU multiplier.
My real frequency is 3.85 GHz as my real bus clock is 100 MHz and my multiplier 38.5.
 
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