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Hmm. Now that I finally decided on Noctua NF-A14 chromax :p

So what model of SW3? High speed or regular?

What makes the SW3 a better pick? Is it lower noise, or do they perform better?

I also read that they dont fint in the front of R6 because of the holes on the fan is to smal. Is this a problem or just someone doing it wrong
 
I've got the high speed SW3 140's in my R6, they have 2 mounts included, narrow clip (low vibration) or standard screw, both can be used.

They can be ran at 300rpm (I used the motherboards fan optimiser to determine the lowest safe speed) which is dead silent and you've got high rpm's in reserve if/when you need it. The Noctua's I have won't go below 600rpm, no matter how low the PWM signal, which is audible to me.

I have three intake in the front of mine (2 front one bottom front) and one exhausting behind the CPU cooler.
 
I've got the high speed SW3 140's in my R6, they have 2 mounts included, narrow clip (low vibration) or standard screw, both can be used.

They can be ran at 300rpm (I used the motherboards fan optimiser to determine the lowest safe speed) which is dead silent and you've got high rpm's in reserve if/when you need it. The Noctua's I have won't go below 600rpm, no matter how low the PWM signal, which is audible to me.

I have three intake in the front of mine (2 front one bottom front) and one exhausting behind the CPU cooler.
Did you remove PCie back slot covers?
 
Did you remove PCie back slot covers?
For me personally, apart from an occasional render the most stressful thing thing I do is game, GPU is mid 60's and CPU lower, I didn't need to remove them. I'm happy with the noise levels, I can hear airflow when the components get up to 60C but it's not close to distressing and at idle it's dead silent.
 
For me personally, apart from an occasional render the most stressful thing thing I do is game, GPU is mid 60's and CPU lower, I didn't need to remove them. I'm happy with the noise levels, I can hear airflow when the components get up to 60C but it's not close to distressing and at idle it's dead silent.
Thanks for the reply.

Indeed, good case fans make a huge difference.
 
What makes the SW3 a better pick? Is it lower noise, or do they perform better?
Already answered that.


If you can get SW3s for the same price as the Noctuas or Phanteks, you take the SW3s every time.

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I also read that they dont fint in the front of R6 because of the holes on the fan is to smal. Is this a problem or just someone doing it wrong
The fan uses standard 140mm mounting. The R6 has standard 140mm mounting. Sounds like an ID-10-T issue.
 
Silent Wings 3 will be the quietest/nicest sounding with as good or better airflow.



Thing about test charts like that is they measure sound pressure level, not the way it sounds to our ears. The sound out of Silent Wings 3 may be same volume but is nicer so less intrusive. Hope that makes sense.
 
Yes you did, sorry.

From the chart you posted I should probably consider Noiseblocker eLoop too.

B14-PS cost 30ÂŁ
B14-3 cost 27ÂŁ
You would think so, but eLoops have a well documented issue - even minor restriction on the intake side makes them howl. So cases with solid fronts, and many times even aggressive dust filters make them insanely loud and unpleasant.

And before you ask....Vardars have really grating motor noise.
 
What makes the SW3 a better pick? Is it lower noise, or do they perform better?
Ignore nf a14s. They're performance is great, just like the sw3, but the audio mark it's annoying af, meanwhile sw3's it's way more pleasant. Don't misunderstand as less noise. They both produce about the same level of noise.


Considering personal experience, the case, and the choice you have here, and despite going opposite direction of the crowd and especially doyll.

I think here 3x120, it's not only better, but worth it, even if it only look slightly.

Cases usually offers several mounting options, and the least obstructed obviously are the smaller ones.
Also smaller fans makes a bit less noise at same level of RPM (i have both sw3 in 140 and 120mm option, and 700 rpm on the big one, it's about 850, and from there, keeps scaling) which means higher static pressure at same noise level (considering we have closed front) and I'm not forgetting it's 2 vs 3, and also in some situations, smaller fans allow better, more optimized designs than bigger ones, like for exemple the case of nf a14 and nf a12x25.

For the r6 i would definitely go for the best 3x120mm i can afford, and clear PSU area the best you can to make room for the GPU to breath. In my experience with the Meshify C (similar case), doing that and adding the lower fan, supposed and improvement of 8°C en GPU thermals, and 250 RPM less on it's cooler (GPUs are usually the biggest noise source).
 
Ciarlatano and I spend many years testing and reviewing computer components and we both agree 140mm fans are generally a better choice than 120mm fans.



120mm fans usually make more noise than similar design 140mm fans .. after all 120mm fans almost always run at higher rpm.



If you go to Thermalbench test results and compare 120mm to 140mm SW3 high speed fans you will find 3x 120mm flow almost exactly the same amount of air through a Swiftech MCR140QP radiator as 2x 140mm do at same noise level.



Everyone I know who has Define cases has found 2x 140mm front intakes perform very well and do it quietly. I like using a 3rd 140mm as bottom intake, but to do that properly requires removing the PSU cover/divider from case. It also helps to raise case up on taller feet or open center caster base so PSU and bottom intake have good intake airflow.
 
Ignore nf a14s. They're performance is great, just like the sw3, but the audio mark it's annoying af, meanwhile sw3's it's way more pleasant. Don't misunderstand as less noise. They both produce about the same level of noise.
NF-A14s don't perform "just like the SW3". Refer to the data I have now posted twice in this thread (and am not posting a third time).


Considering personal experience, the case, and the choice you have here, and despite going opposite direction of the crowd and especially doyll.

I think here 3x120, it's not only better, but worth it, even if it only look slightly.

Cases usually offers several mounting options, and the least obstructed obviously are the smaller ones.
I have absolutely no idea what you mean about smaller fans being less obstructed in an R6.


Also smaller fans makes a bit less noise at same level of RPM (i have both sw3 in 140 and 120mm option, and 700 rpm on the big one, it's about 850, and from there, keeps scaling) which means higher static pressure at same noise level (considering we have closed front) and I'm not forgetting it's 2 vs 3, and also in some situations, smaller fans allow better, more optimized designs than bigger ones, like for exemple the case of nf a14 and nf a12x25.
:doh: But....comparing noise level at like rpm means absolutely nothing when the 140mm is moving substantially more air at like rpm. The only consideration is the amount of air moved at like noise levels. And you are completely disregarding it being two fans vs. three fans in terms of noise levels. And less noise at the same rpm means that it has higher static pressure?????? Did you really mean to say that????

And you aren't going to find another fan excepting the NF-A12X25 that will fit your example.

For the r6 i would definitely go for the best 3x120mm i can afford, and clear PSU area the best you can to make room for the GPU to breath. In my experience with the Meshify C (similar case), doing that and adding the lower fan, supposed and improvement of 8°C en GPU thermals, and 250 RPM less on it's cooler (GPUs are usually the biggest noise source).
The Meshify C has nowhere near the restriction of the R6. While the internal chassis may be similar, their airflow is about as dissimilar as one can get.

Ciarlatano and I spend many years testing and reviewing computer components and we both agree 140mm fans are generally a better choice than 120mm fans.



120mm fans usually make more noise than similar design 140mm fans .. after all 120mm fans almost always run at higher rpm.



If you go to Thermalbench test results and compare 120mm to 140mm SW3 high speed fans you will find 3x 120mm flow almost exactly the same amount of air through a Swiftech MCR140QP radiator as 2x 140mm do at same noise level.



Everyone I know who has Define cases has found 2x 140mm front intakes perform very well and do it quietly. I like using a 3rd 140mm as bottom intake, but to do that properly requires removing the PSU cover/divider from case. It also helps to raise case up on taller feet or open center caster base so PSU and bottom intake have good intake airflow.
I haven't done the comparison in an R6, but I have in the similarly restrictive EVOLV ATX. And in every case of like fans, two 140mm were always quieter at similar temp and air movement.
 
I'd recommend 140mm fans for this case due to the third 120mm being cut off from the psu shroud. You'd get less airflow to the motherboard area than 2x 140s because of that. In more open cases, I would recommend 3x 120s because they do flow more than 2 140s as well as having better air pressure due to the extra fan. While thermalbench shows the SW3 120 and 140 performing roughly the same when multiplied x3 and x2 respectively, that is airflow through a radiator. Restriction through say a dust filter and maybe a covered front panel will paint a different story.

Unfortunately, I can't find any websites out there to back up my claims. Cooling technique does have open airflow measurements of the ML120 and ML140, but it is that - open airflow - and we need some restriction in front of the fan for a scenario that will more accurately reflect performance in a computer case.

But since that's all we have right now other than Thermalbench's ML120/140 and SW3 120/140 radiator airflow tests (has to be these fans in particular since the 140mm version is a scaled up 120mm, so it's as apples to apples as we can get), let's compare results from those links up top.

~13dba normalized
ML120
50.4cfm
0.889mmh20

ML140
49.8cfm
0.699mmh20


~26dba normalized
ML120
89.1cfm
2.921mmh20

ML140
89.8cfm
2.413mmh20

You multiply the 120 results by 3 and 140 by 2 and you start to see why I think that 3x 120s are superior. While a third fan will introduce more noise, with a performance gap that large between the two, you can lower fan speeds slightly and still come out in the positive.

So, we have two extremes. One shows 3x120s performing roughly equally to 2x 140s on radiators, and one showing 3x 120s performing much better than 2x140s in open air. The TB test can give us an idea of a worst case scenario where the intake area is severely obstructed, so this could apply to your cases with dust filters as well as a covered front panel with little ventilation on the sides. The coolingtechnique results can give us a good idea on how these fans would flow in a less restrictive and open case.

Are both extremes accurate enough for what we're trying to gauge? No, but at least we have some boundaries to work with. At the worst, the 3x 120s can perform the same if not a little worse due to the extra noise of a third fan compared to 2x 140s. At best, the 120s will perform much better even when accommodating for the extra noise of a third fan. But...we still have a lot of more variables that need to be accounted for even still. Air cooling? Water cooling? Graphics card(s) and cooler type? Case design? It really is a tricky question to answer.

You can look at it from a reliability perspective as well. Two is less than three, so one less point of failure. It is also cheaper. Oh, and there is one more thing to consider when it comes to cases with a closed off front panel with side ventilation. There is an efficiency curve for that front panel, and once you pass that threshold, you will have diminishing returns on airflow performance. For instance, the Fractal R6's front panel efficiency may peak at say 100cfm. If you go beyond that, the airflow to noise scaling will be a lot worse with a lot more noise/rpm generated to get more air through those vents. Kinda like with processors. Some hit a voltage wall, and in order to get higher clockspeeds, you'll have to put in a lot more voltage than usual to get there. Ie. 5ghz at 1.35v, but 5.2ghz might need 1.45v when you only needed 1.32v at 4.9ghz. That efficiency curve can potentially put 3x 120s in a bad light because even though they're capable of more airflow, they are limited by the front panel's airflow efficiency/potential.
 
The gap from where the front fan is to the front of the mobo is pretty large. Most fans that people buy don't move much air. Put your hand in front of your fan then hold it 6 inches away. No one uses 120x38s anymore, but that's what I would recommend, 3 of em :D

I used them in my R4 and now in my Meshify C. They can be loud, but I run them on a controller at 7v, 12v when I need the air.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/27973470-post17029.html

The front two are wired together, and the rear is quietish @ 12v.
 
Just to chime in, but I changed my R6's default fans for 2x Noctua NF-P14S Redux 140mm 1500rpm.

GPU Core temp went from 72C to 67C with no audible increase in noise (forgot to test CPU temps).
I'm surprised you didn't see more of a drop. What speed are fans running?

Have you removed all PCIe back slot covers? This increase rear vent area around GPU and thus usually improve front to back airflow and lowers temps.
 
I'm surprised you didn't see more of a drop. What speed are fans running?

Have you removed all PCIe back slot covers? This increase rear vent area around GPU and thus usually improve front to back airflow and lowers temps.
Fans are running in a PWM "Silent" configuration, which probably has a lot to do with it.
If I remove the side panel, the GPU instantly drops to ~60C (GTX 1080 with Arctic Twin Turbo II).

I'll remove those PCIe brackets & report back once I get some time to test.
 
Fans are running in a PWM "Silent" configuration, which probably has a lot to do with it.
If I remove the side panel, the GPU instantly drops to ~60C (GTX 1080 with Arctic Twin Turbo II).

I'll remove those PCIe brackets & report back once I get some time to test.
Your radical drop in temp when opening panel is probably because the heated air off of GPU is going into CPU cooler. Removing PCIe slot covers should improve the front to back airflow around GPU considerable.

Also try opening front door (on case, not house). :D Doing so will greatly lower airflow resistance of air going to fans.

Also increase fan speed under load to as fast as their noise level is is comfortable to you .. faster when system is working. If you are like most of us, our systems rarely run at full load, so if fans need to run at full speed at full load to keep system cool, it only happens on rare occasions.
 
Ignore nf a14s. They're performance is great, just like the sw3, but the audio mark it's annoying af, meanwhile sw3's it's way more pleasant. Don't misunderstand as less noise. They both produce about the same level of noise.


Considering personal experience, the case, and the choice you have here, and despite going opposite direction of the crowd and especially doyll.

I think here 3x120, it's not only better, but worth it, even if it only look slightly.

Cases usually offers several mounting options, and the least obstructed obviously are the smaller ones.
Also smaller fans makes a bit less noise at same level of RPM (i have both sw3 in 140 and 120mm option, and 700 rpm on the big one, it's about 850, and from there, keeps scaling) which means higher static pressure at same noise level (considering we have closed front) and I'm not forgetting it's 2 vs 3, and also in some situations, smaller fans allow better, more optimized designs than bigger ones, like for exemple the case of nf a14 and nf a12x25.

For the r6 i would definitely go for the best 3x120mm i can afford, and clear PSU area the best you can to make room for the GPU to breath. In my experience with the Meshify C (similar case), doing that and adding the lower fan, supposed and improvement of 8°C en GPU thermals, and 250 RPM less on it's cooler (GPUs are usually the biggest noise source).
No way. 140 way quiter than 120 at the same airflow.

Just to chime in, but I changed my R6's default fans for 2x Noctua NF-P14S Redux 140mm 1500rpm.

GPU Core temp went from 72C to 67C with no audible increase in noise (forgot to test CPU temps).
I have 2 of these myself and is what I rec. Can't beat price,performance AND looks. ;) Noctua NF-P14s https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KF7O58G/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
No way. 140 way quiter than 120 at the same airflow.
I've got some 120s that blow away the 140s you guys use, and it does so at 7v, so its quiet.

That's why all you guys have hot running systems.. using 50-60cfm fans. High end high wattage parts, you might as well stick your head in the case and blow on the parts yourself lol.
 
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