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How's the performance of the S1220A and S1220 on ASUS boards compared to a Xonar DGX and DSX?

I might finally be upgrading my Ivy Bridge system to Ryzen and wanted to know if I should carry over my old sound cards.
 
I think the Xonar DGX is about on par with the older ALC898:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...12/08/music-to-your-ears-reviewing-asus-budget-xonar-dgx-and-dsx-sound-cards/6/
Our listeners all thought the different audio solutions were more closely matched than in any of the listening tests we've conducted before. Their assessments of each config were largely consistent, but some of the songs and matchups teased out contradictory opinions. More often than not, the Xonar DSX was identified as having deeper bass and a fuller sound than the DGX. The DGX's mid-range bias was definitely apparent, and its output was often deemed sharper and crisper than the DSX and its other rivals.
Although it fared better than any other integrated audio implementation we've tested, the Realtek codec was clearly inferior to the DGX and DSX overall. The onboard audio was definitely short on bass, and it lacked the sharper mid-range tones of the DGX.
 
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Bump, still need opinion.
 
Why not just move it temporarily
 
Why not just move it temporarily and compare if you already own them?
 
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Why not just move it temporarily and compare if you already own them?
Because I might get the X570 Aorus Master for better audio. Even though that doesn't make alot of sense it's still a option.
 
They're all the same and they're all equally bad/mediocre. I have a friend with an ALC1220 with Sabre motherboard, he bought the AE-7, which is an horribly expnsive entry level sound card and it circles around the onboard solution.
 
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They're all the same and they're all equally bad/mediocre. I have a friend with an ALC1220 with Sabre motherboard, he bought the AE-7, which is an horribly expnsive entry level sound card and it circles around the onboard solution.
Which motherboard would that be?
 
Z390 Aorus Master.
 
Honestly my old Xonar DX vs current onboard is basically no difference or barely any worth mentioning and it is more high end than DGX and DSX cards. The HT Omega Fenix is the same but it cost me $30 so it is no big deal. The Aim SC808 or EVGA Nu are way better though, SC808 card is like $90 on ebay from Japanese sellers and is probably the best deal as far as sound cards go since it also comes with a 7.1 daughter board. It uses standard cmedia xear control panel.

Coming from DSX or DGX though, the onboard will be an upgrade imo and just fine. If the ESS 9118 on those Aorus Master boards is like the 9018 on the Asus high end boards then it sounds pretty good.
 
My opinion is in this post:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/27620034-post19.html

If you already have a soundcard, keep it and use it mainly in cases when you know that the circuitry is fine. I have decided to retire my Creative Xfi, as support for DirectSound was removed from Windows Vista 10 years ago, and "basic but effective" DAC with decent caps is all i need.
 
The ALC1220 is a perfectly adequate audio solution for normal usage only 1 thing to consider, if you use a lot of DSP functions like Equalizer, room correction and so forth do not go for onboard.

Microsoft / Realtek changed the drivers to be Windows store drivers with a "new" look and cut a LOT of features out of them like EQ, bass control and such and that whole (MSI) Nahimic stuff is useless as well.

The only reasons to run a external sound card IMHO are the better drivers, more DSP customization options, different outputs and high impedance stuff that the on-board can't drive on normal volumes.
 
And a fktone better audio if you own something better than trash audio device like Razer or SteelSeries stuff and other cheap units.
 
Microsoft / Realtek changed the drivers to be Windows store drivers with a "new" look and cut a LOT of features out of them like EQ, bass control and such and that whole (MSI) Nahimic stuff is useless as well.
I installed the most basic version of the driver. ALC 1220 does not have hardware DSP, therefore all effects are done by CPU(s).

On the other hand, the most simple driver works really good, and does not communicate with CPU for no reason.

And a fktone better audio if you own something better than trash audio device like Razer or SteelSeries stuff and other cheap units.
This is true, the mainboard i use now is actually the very first such device I am fine with audio output - but my requirements are quite low.
 
And a fktone better audio if you own something better than trash audio device like Razer or SteelSeries stuff and other cheap units.
Luckily my steelseries headset runs over a cheap USB DAC and I only use my onboard for a high-end Sony receiver with studio monitors. Sound with my Xonar Essence STX isn't noticably better but the UniXonar drivers provide a lot of extra options that the software processing on the ALC doesn't have which for some users could be needed.
 
My opinion is in this post:
https://www.overclock.net/forum/27620034-post19.html

If you already have a soundcard, keep it and use it mainly in cases when you know that the circuitry is fine. I have decided to retire my Creative Xfi, as support for DirectSound was removed from Windows Vista 10 years ago, and "basic but effective" DAC with decent caps is all i need.
that's my thing... I don't understand the purpose of a sound card in 2019 when you can get DAC/AMP solutions for half the price that'll 9 times outta 10 produce better audio. modulated false surround sound via headphones can be done without a sound card, and if you don't have genuine surround sound then again... why the dedicated card
 
that's my thing... I don't understand the purpose of a sound card in 2019 when you can get DAC/AMP solutions for half the price that'll 9 times outta 10 produce better audio. modulated false surround sound via headphones can be done without a sound card, and if you don't have genuine surround sound then again... why the dedicated card
For some older mainboards where was considerable noise coming from the rest of the system i would understand either USB sound card, which is located outside of the case, and shielded from electrical noise inside PC. Shielded soundcard in PCI-E slot is a similar solution.

Some devices might be too cheap to have 5.1 or 7.1 dolby certification and their output will not work properly (or at all) if attempting to play DVD or Blu-Ray content.

The last thing to consider is how noisy is the system. Mine has 10 Noctua fans, stock Radeon VII cooler, practically can fly and its really noisy. Nowadays its possible to buy fanless PSU (Seasonic has 600w models), and make passive cooled build. In such situation is dedicated soundcard with better circuitry (AMPs, CAPS) justified, mainly with decent speakers.

The last thing i was taking into consideration was sound effect acceleration (DirectSound, ALchemy, OpenAL) for gaming. The technology itself is now practically abandoned. AMD implemeted DSP features into GCN architecture, those are still available in my Radeon VII, but i really dont know about any application which use it (must be nice for consoles thought).


However none of the above applied to my situation. Onboard sound was properly mounted, shielded, equipped with proper caps, has dolby certifications and my system is for gaming and browsing... not for audio...
 
In my opinion, S1220A is garbage.

There's poor driver support from Realtek and Asus, and for me, on a Strix B450-F Gaming motherboard, I experienced random audio crashes with the latest drivers, that were not truly fixed despite trawling the internet for, and testing, older drivers. Other examples include Sonic Studio randomly resetting the chip functionality where it had to be reselected as the default despite no prior changes in audio use.

Not to mention the hum coming from my speakers which were fixed by using a ground loop isolator (yes it's true that interference causing hums in sound can come from other causes than audio, such as the myriad of cables plugged into the back of a PC (shielding and so on)).

But in the end, I disabled the onboard S1220A sound and bought a Soundblaster AE-5.

All my issues disappeared instantly.

At defaults, the sound was clearer, heavier and more substantial. There are also far more options than the crappy Sonic Studio.

And the ground loop hum, through the same speakers, was unmistakably lower when driven by the AE-5 compared with the S1220A. I still use the isolator (which eliminates that hum 100%), but the sound quality improvements and driver reliability, ontop of the reduced ground loop hum, over the S1220 is significant, and thus why I can't recommend it at all.

I did research Xonar cards before buying the AE-5. However, they appear to have a worse record of drivers and performance, based upon reading many reviews and so on.

As things are at the moment, my AE-5 performs fantastically well, and i'd recommend it for that reason alone (I don't use the gimmicky Creative bloatware like scout radar, though).

So I can't recommend the S1220A to anyone on the basis of my experiences.
 
In my opinion, S1220A is garbage.

There's poor driver support from Realtek and Asus, and for me, on a Strix B450-F Gaming motherboard, I experienced random audio crashes with the latest drivers, that were not truly fixed despite trawling the internet for, and testing, older drivers. Other examples include Sonic Studio randomly resetting the chip functionality where it had to be reselected as the default despite no prior changes in audio use.

Not to mention the hum coming from my speakers which were fixed by using a ground loop isolator (yes it's true that interference causing hums in sound can come from other causes than audio, such as the myriad of cables plugged into the back of a PC (shielding and so on)).

But in the end, I disabled the onboard S1220A sound and bought a Soundblaster AE-5.

All my issues disappeared instantly.

At defaults, the sound was clearer, heavier and more substantial. There are also far more options than the crappy Sonic Studio.

And the ground loop hum, through the same speakers, was unmistakably lower when driven by the AE-5 compared with the S1220A. I still use the isolator (which eliminates that hum 100%), but the sound quality improvements and driver reliability, ontop of the reduced ground loop hum, over the S1220 is significant, and thus why I can't recommend it at all.

I did research Xonar cards before buying the AE-5. However, they appear to have a worse record of drivers and performance, based upon reading many reviews and so on.

As things are at the moment, my AE-5 performs fantastically well, and i'd recommend it for that reason alone (I don't use the gimmicky Creative bloatware like scout radar, though).

So I can't recommend the S1220A to anyone on the basis of my experiences.
Xonar card drivers are meh but the UniXonar 3rd party drivers are awesome.

I might dig up my Xonar DX just to try it again and compare it to my Z390 ACE's ALC1220. Or score a cheap secondhand Creative / ASUS card.
 
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