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I have heard that you shouldn't overclock the AMD Ryzen 7 2700 and that you should tweak PBO instead. Im wondering what should I go with? Right now I have a 4ghz all core overclock with PBO disabled. Im not to familiar with Ryzen so what do you guys think? Heres my hardware:

- AMD Ryzen 7 2700
- ASUS TUF X470-PLUS GAMING
- NZXT Kraken x52 AIO CPU Cooler
- 32GB (16gb x 2) HyperX Fury DDR4 2666 (OC'd to 3466)
- ASUS TUF X3 GTX 1660 Super 6GB
- 1TB WD Black SN750 NVME M.2 SSD
- XFX TS-550 PSU
 
I keep mine at 4GHz.

When you game with it at stock, use an app to observe what clocks the cores are boosting to. I used HWINFO64 and i observed most of the time just 3.8GHz on the games i play. Since it can do 4GHz (even 4.1GHz) at similar or cooler temp than stock, i decided to oc.

I never look at the fps in games. I game at 1440 with a 5700XT.
 
Just oc it, keep 1.35v as max voltage
 
1.325v as max allcore and 1.48v as max boosting voltage on 2nd gen :)
Use PBO and adjust PPT, TDC, EDC if you want to save power without loosing boosting performance
but do limit PPT, TDC,EDC to something - else it will boost into oblivion near 4.35Ghz @socal081
EDIT:
Lower vSOC near 1.02-1.05v if you want to save heat
shouldn't need over 1.05v for anything under 3600MT/s,
soo you might even go away with 1.0v vSOC near 2667MT/s memory frequency
 
I don't think the 2700 non x lets you tweak pbo settings. I would overclock it to whatever frequency 1.3v lets you get.
on 1st gen only the X series had XFR support
The whole 2nd gen does support PBO and P-States
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"Precision Boost 2 & XFR2"
^ override will work on the first one, while XFR support just are the power-states which are also changeable "on emergency"

TDC, EDC, PPT always work - as that's how XFR is build on :)
A fixed voltage is after 1st gen no good idea anymore
It's easier, but the loss is higher
 
1.325v as max allcore and 1.48v as max boosting voltage on 2nd gen :)
Use PBO and adjust PPT, TDC, EDC if you want to save power without loosing boosting performance
but do limit PPT, TDC,EDC to something - else it will boost into oblivion near 4.35Ghz @socal081
EDIT:
Lower vSOC near 1.02-1.05v if you want to save heat
shouldn't need over 1.05v for anything under 3600MT/s,
soo you might even go away with 1.0v vSOC near 2667MT/s memory frequency
Mh, my 2700x stays around 1.356 allcore by himself, 1.325 seems to low
 
Mh, my 2700x stays around 1.356 allcore by himself, 1.325 seems to low
This has to be with PBO enabled ?
2nd gen has a FITness module inside
But the safe all core voltage is 1.325v under harsh SSE workloads
This doesn't include AVX2 vdroop :)

Normal users might be fine with 1.35v, but suggested all core constant current is 1.325v as maximum peak
A 2700X can operate at 1.27v @ 4.3 allcore SSE workloads
AVX2 would push that down to 1.18v
Need to dig around old pictures, but 1.3v is plenty *
1.32 is needed for leaky units to run 4.15 all core
Real voltage is then near 1.2975-1.3v for the allcore without vdroop
* will update the post later with the attached picture
 
This has to be with PBO enabled ?
2nd gen has a FITness module inside
But the safe all core voltage is 1.325v under harsh SSE workloads
This doesn't include AVX2 vdroop :)

Normal users might be fine with 1.35v, but suggested all core constant current is 1.325v as maximum peak
A 2700X can operate at 1.27v @ 4.3 allcore SSE workloads
AVX2 would push that down to 1.18v
Need to dig around old pictures, but 1.3v is plenty *
1.32 is needed for leaky units to run 4.15 all core
Real voltage is then near 1.2975-1.3v for the allcore without vdroop
* will update the post later with the attached picture
You are talking about the R7 2700X. OP has a Non X like mine and our cpus normally need higher voltage at a given oc and may not oc as high as the X version. I use 1.35v to be stable at 4GHz. Like 2600ryzen said, PBO does not really pertain to the Non X Gen 1+.

The known 1.32v ideal limit for CPU Vcore is commonly used for GEN 2. I've had my 2700 Non X at 1.39v for 4.1GHz for most of its life ( 2yrs). Only recently that i reset to 4GHz cos my PSU is 10 yrs old:( Trying to lessen the strain.
 
You are talking about the R7 2700X. OP has a Non X like mine and our cpus normally need higher voltage at a given oc and may not oc as high as the X version. I use 1.35v to be stable at 4GHz. Like 2600ryzen said, PBO does not really pertain to the Non X Gen 1+.

The known 1.32v ideal limit for CPU Vcore is commonly used for GEN 2. I've had my 2700 Non X at 1.39v for 4.1GHz for most of its life ( 2yrs). Only recently that i reset to 4GHz cos my PSU is 10 yrs old:( Trying to lessen the strain.
The 2700X is what we call a "leaky" CPU
It's binned for higher voltage, same as the 2600X, 1800X, 1700X, 1600X & 3800X

These CPUs need more voltage and a stronger loadline ~ which results in less voltage
1700,2600,3600, 1920X aren't leaky CPUs
These barely need any loadline, are binned out of factory for low voltage & efficient operation

X units on Zen one had a differentiation
2nd gen doesn't follow these rules
PBO limits work on all of them, up to SMU and bios/CBS the possibilities varry
What we call "PBO" , is more than one feature combined :)

The voltage I mentioned is accurate, I didn't make a mistake and focused on nm node
It just appears to be very similar to 7nm, while 7nm only allows similar behavior by it's different boost shuffle design
12nm shouldn't exceed 1.325v as constant voltage
As mentioned, it has a FIT module too and can prevent the CPU from dying and so faking voltages and MHz
I'm sadly not able to confirm if clock stretching existed also on 2nd gen

Tho the limits are accurate :)
Definition of safe voltage and stability changes between people, but these are values tested by The Stilt according to how AMD designed the FIT module on these units
The only thing that will vary between leaky and non leaky CPUs, is the running loadline and how or "how much" of PBO you can utilize
The overdrive remains to be working, but we can't expect 4.35Ghz upper limits on non X units

EDIT:
I have to correct myself
7nm safe allcore voltage is variable up to silicon
1.325v is wrong for 7nm, only 1.48v upper limit remains coincidentally identical
Actual safe voltage for 7nm is around 1.29625v
Sometimes it goes down to 1.2875v if it has thermal constrains and hits above 80c where SMU will start to hard throttle
Real safe voltage for 7nm is around that

The spread 1.325v [7nm] is plain wrong and depends on silicon characteristics
While 2nd gen coincidentally has the same allcore limits while being more of a hard limit, as silicon sampling is not done fast enough and voltage is not shifting/updating fast enough
1.325v [12nm] remains accurate ;)
 
I always hear of 1.375v been the max safe voltage for zen+ but nobody was really doing the pbo maxed out test to determine max safe limits on zen+. The Stilt did do this pbo test on a 2600x and his testing indicated 1.325v was the max safe voltage under load like veii says.
So if I had a 2700 I would keep max voltage at 1.3v under load and that should be enough for 4ghz at least which is better than stock for a 2700 and more power efficient.
 
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