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#21 · (Edited)
felix121 said:
There trying to find a solution....where scalpers lose.....I dont think there beef is with miners...I actually think they love miners...its the friggers who are reselling and bumping up prices that are the issue..maybe a better solution would be to have the gpu's fingerprint activated meaning the person who purchased them can only unlock it ...and that cant be change for at least a year...:))....that might work...might prevent ppl from hoarding....
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I think the people objecting to the mining restriction would object to that a lot more, but that doesn't make it wrong.
I flashed a vbios I modded to my Tesla to increase the oc range and found Nvidia doesn't smile upon Tesla bios mods. If I boot to windows with the card in wddm(gaming) mode I get as far as the windows start screen, and before I can enter my pin I get a freeze and auto hard restart beginning an endless loop so long as the gpu is installed. Luckily my Tesla also comes with a tcc(datacenter) mode and the card can be disabled by disabling above 4g decoding in bios so I can get around this. But if it didn't have that, my card would be Nvidia security bricked.

A card that bricks as soon as it sees a driver would have bad resale value. Selling mining restricted versions is a milder fix.

Edit: I could just pull the card instead of disabling it in bios, since the drivers don't freeze me out unless they see the card, and I can boot with the card after I ddu, shutdown, reinstall/reenable the card, and reinstall the drivers since it defaults to tcc mode, but a particular card ID checked online wouldn't have this luxury.
 
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Edge0fsanity said:
Scalpers and miners will still bot these and buy all of them. This does nothing for the supply problem. Right now anything and everything is profitable to mine eth and other coins. The only effect this will have is lowering the used value of the LHR cards after crypto crashes. The real losers are the gamers who manage to buy one at retail price then go to sell when the 4xxx series is out. Any of you who support this have fallen for marketing bullshit that props up their mining cards which no one can buy anyways.
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bigjdubb said:
Has anyone tested to see see if the hash limited 3060 is limited in other types of compute? Specifically folding?
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I thought they fixed that with the driver leak....did not test it but others say it works...
 
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In regards to product segmentation, Intel, AMD, Nvidia already doing it. I encountered it when buying an server. It’s just going to get worse.

When i was trying to buy windows server license for the company’s server, one of the retailers said wouldn’t sell unless i bought an xeon/amd epyc server. We are medium size firm (20-30 staff) and one 3700x is more than sufficient for us. Found someone else to sell it.
 
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WannaBeOCer said:
ROCm isn't a joke but they killed support for their consumer cards when they released RDNA. The major issue with AMD is the lack of affordable hardware that can compete with Nvidia for deep learning.

RDNA2 is embarrassing:

github.com

Performance comparsion: AMD with ROCm vs NVIDIA with cuDNN? · Issue #173 · ROCm/tensorflow-upstream

It would be very useful to compare real training performance on amd and nvidia cards. For Nvidia cards we have a lot of graphs and tests, for example: https://github.com/u39kun/deep-learning-benchm...
github.com github.com
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The major issue with AMD is that reasonably accessible cards which are supported are limited in number and older. They don't support it on their APUs. I very much want to try porting my CUDA code to ROCm via HIPpify, for example, but don't want to drop $$$ for the pleasure. I tried on a mini-PC with an APU I bought for another purpose, but gave up in a mix of disgust and frustration after wasting more time than I should have on it.

If the 5000 series APUs had official ROCm support, I'd buy one as soon as the supported version of ROCm was released.

Compare this to CUDA, where I can test proof of concept code on the GT1030 "emergency spare" card I have lying around, or the 980M in my old laptop, or a Jetson Nano for giggles... :)

I really, really want AMD to succeed with their compute ventures... but I can't sell my boss on buying AMD kit on "maybe it works". :(
Blameless said:
They won't. Too many consumer apps/features depend on CUDA. They threw in that annoying CUDA P2 state a while back, but they aren't going to blanket target any functionality that could have too much collateral damage.
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It really depends on how the hash algorithms work, how they detect them, and whether they can be reworked to look different.
felix121 said:
I thought they fixed that with the driver leak....did not test it but others say it works...
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I think the original question was "does the card with crippled mining also see a drop in performance in other things?"
 
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felix121 said:
Its actually a good thing....I think if i heard correctly they will make 2 types of cards...one LHR that most miners wont want and the other type that is not LHR....so nothing really to complain about ....miners can do there thing and gamers can get cheap cards.
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They already make mining cards, the 30-90 HX series. Fully unlocked GPUs for mining.
Nvidia will want to sell those to miners and gaming GPUs to gamers, and make money off both worlds.
Nvidia don't make extra money from the high prices, retailers do (granted nvidia sell more). But with 2 lines, they can adjust manufacturing to fit better and still make a good profit.
 
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Paradigm Shifter said:
It really depends on how the hash algorithms work, how they detect them, and whether they can be reworked to look different.
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This isn't an issue with Ethereum. PoW was always meant to be a stopgap, and there is no incentive for mainstream developers to switch PoW algorithms. There was a previous ASIC scare and they didn't adopt proposals to switch to a more resistant algorithm then...now that full Eth 2.0 adoption looks like it's about 18 months away, there is even less incentive to mess with the soon to be depreciated PoW algorithm.

NVIDIA might have a harder time with other cryptos--ones whose communities and developers are intent on keeping PoW for the long haul and are willing to fork to adopt ASIC resistant algorithms--but they probably don't see any specific marketing opportunity in targeting those altcoins, yet.
 
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felix121 said:
There trying to find a solution....where scalpers lose.....I dont think there beef is with miners...I actually think they love miners...its the friggers who are reselling and bumping up prices that are the issue..maybe a better solution would be to have the gpu's fingerprint activated meaning the person who purchased them can only unlock it ...and that cant be change for at least a year...:))....that might work...might prevent ppl from hoarding....
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Sure get mad at the individual trying to make a living in this corrupt system but not at Bestbuy or Newegg for jacking the price. Yeah it's the scalper who's a POS not the retail stores making billions.

Quit being jealous of others and focus your anger where it belongs.
 
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Shawnb99 said:
Sure get mad at the individual trying to make a living in this corrupt system but not at Bestbuy or Newegg for jacking the price. Yeah it's the scalper who's a POS not the retail stores making billions.

Quit being jealous of others and focus your anger where it belongs.
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If Asus sets the retail price for a 6700XT at $829 and Best Buy sells for retail price, isn’t Asus making the profit?
 
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felix121 said:
I thought they fixed that with the driver leak....did not test it but others say it works...
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Honestly the only way they can get rid of scalpers once and for all..is to somehow play with the activation method...maybe send a code to the registered owners email once a month...or week...to keep the gpu active you have to input the code manually for each gpu....can almost say for sure that will get rid of 70 to 80 percent of scalpers....
Shawnb99 said:
Sure get mad at the individual trying to make a living in this corrupt system but not at Bestbuy or Newegg for jacking the price. Yeah it's the scalper who's a POS not the retail stores making billions.

Quit being jealous of others and focus your anger where it belongs.
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Dude Newegg and Best buy are still trying to sell at reasonable prices...and they actually have the lowest prices I see around..scalpers are a disease dude...there not leaching off the rich there leaching off the average joe...
 
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felix121 said:
Dude Newegg and Best buy are still trying to sell at reasonable prices...and they actually have the lowest prices I see around..scalpers are a disease dude...there not leaching off the rich there leaching off the average joe...
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:ROFLMAO:. Please tell me that's a joke and you don't really believe that nonsense. Keep hating on the little guy while the corporation makes all the profits. Stay stupid, they like you like this.

So it's wrong when I sell my KPE Hydro block when I don't need it for "market price" but when Newegg and Best buy jack the prices it's ok. Yeah I'm done arguing with stupid
 
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Shawnb99 said:
:ROFLMAO:. Please tell me that's a joke and you don't really believe that nonsense. Keep hating on the little guy while the corporation makes all the profits. Stay stupid, they like you like this.

So it's wrong when I sell my KPE Hydro block when I don't need it for "market price" but when Newegg and Best buy jack the prices it's ok. Yeah I'm done arguing with stupid
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Ah so you can honestly sit there and say the scalpers are selling there overpriced gpu's to the filthy rich....ur full of it.....ur probably a scalper ...thats why ur so defensive...most of the ppl I see buying at this crazy prices...are the ones get loans..or borrowing from relatives...what a joke...
 
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felix121 said:
Ah so you can honestly sit there and say the scalpers are selling there overpriced gpu's to the filthy rich....ur full of it.....ur probably a scalper ...thats why ur so defensive...most of the ppl I see buying at this crazy prices...are the ones get loans..or borrowing from relatives...what a joke...
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If someone is stupid enough to get a loan they can't afford to buy a GPU then that's on them. My point is don't hate the scalper it's why isn't Newegg considered a scalper also? The issue isn't one guy selling 50 or so cards it's stores like Newegg selling thousands at jacked up prices yet you only hate the single person. They also have families to feed so don't go crying poor people are hurting from this. Nobody "needs" a new GPU, they want one. There's a big difference. Unless you use that GPU to make a living, it's a luxury. When you can't afford one you go without.
 
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Section31 said:
In regards to product segmentation, Intel, AMD, Nvidia already doing it. I encountered it when buying an server. It’s just going to get worse.

When i was trying to buy windows server license for the company’s server, one of the retailers said wouldn’t sell unless i bought an xeon/amd epyc server. We are medium size firm (20-30 staff) and one 3700x is more than sufficient for us. Found someone else to sell it.
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Any reason why you can't use Linux? Even a desktop distro like Mint will do just fine.
 
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