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#941 ·
x7007 said:
I've noticed something big, the mouse cable has a big difference when it's in a different position or if it's clamp in a certain way. now I even noticed it on the laptop, not on the desktop. so it's clearly not only a one-way situation. if desync/screen stuttering/wavey on screen is fixed by moving the power cable in a certain way far from the computer then the mouse is cable is no different, again, EMI.
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Look man, we have been saying this stuff for years at this point. And you wonder why people are pissed when you go in circles about hardware/software causing this issue. It is neither of those. Go read our posts from literal YEARS ago and you can see this. Get with the program buddy, its painful watching you go in circles on this. It is obviously completely external to our PCs, and based on location (our homes in respect to some electrical source issue). The PCs are not at fault. There is an underlying lssue making the PC sensitive to normal amounts of interference. This should not be happening but it is in our cases.
 
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#942 · (Edited)
CrucialNUG said:
Look man, we have been saying this stuff for years at this point. And you wonder why people are pissed when you go in circles about hardware/software causing this issue. It is neither of those. Go read our posts from literal YEARS ago and you can see this. Get with the program buddy, its painful watching you go in circles on this. It is obviously completely external to our PCs, and based on location (our homes in respect to some electrical source issue). The PCs are not at fault. There is an underlying lssue making the PC sensitive to normal amounts of interference. This should not be happening but it is in our cases.
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I understand your point. so the only thing we can actually mitigate it is just find how to mitigate it. we will never be able to fix it, only if you live in a solitary house somewhere without any electricity from nearby people, and only using your own device and nothing else around you. and I can't see how we are going to fix on a high congested area with many people and devices around. I'm trying to find a way that I can help myself and help others. none of my friends would ever believe me, even with proofs, and they are cheap friends, they only buy exactly what they need at a specific time, they are not like me, putting money for studying and trying. so you do need to understand my point of view, this won't be an easy fix, ever. so I can only write it here to remember and to help others. I really have no issue writing it for myself, but then people call it selfish, so I'm not actually the issue here. people just need to say things like " Yes man I tried it" "Good find I'll try it" " It didn't help, it could be something else X" "it could be" .. whichever works..

we all have points of view and we all have different experiences, I think to better find a solution to an issue is to get all the brains to one place and figure it up trying together. we people fight or just calling going in circles. it doesn't hurt, it just leads to somewhere else which is not a place of helping. I understand you totally as I explained. but we have freedom of speech and it's not like I'm doing something bad here, from all perspectives.

Still waiting for my Elite 5D Grey Screen to use with my new projector Epson TW-9400.

Off the subject, even the 6.35m to 3.35m connectors had some corrosion that affected the sound of the headphones, it would sound like the half volume on the left ear and some dynamic loss on right, after cleaning it with my fingers I smelled like peeling iron/corrosion smell that stayed on the fingers. every single thing can affect every single thing. that what I always say.
 
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#943 ·
These back and forth useless arguments will happen forever until separate threads are made lol...

Windows optimizations or changes have pretty much nothing to do with the electrical issue that many describe in this thread.

If you want you can make a Windows optimization thread or bump one of the old ones that I'm pretty sure exist around here and then go in those and claim so and so improves aim feel... but the problem people are having with your statements is that you claim random Windows optimizations or certain settings changes are "fixing" the electricity problem every single day... and it's ALWAYS something different that is fixing the problem. It doesn't make any sense if you truly sit down and think about it reasonably.
 
#944 ·
You just need to move to a place where such nonsense as moving the mouse wire does not affect input lag.

It seems to me that places where this happens are generally dangerous to health and life.

Why aren't you trying to move new place?
 
#945 ·
TN_fun said:
You just need to move to a place where such nonsense as moving the mouse wire does not affect input lag.

It seems to me that places where this happens are generally dangerous to health and life.

Why aren't you trying to move new place?
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first it's expensive, second I won't know how the mouse behave all days of the year and it might change again. third I have too many things in this house now like Epson 9400 projector and elite Grey 5d 100 inch screen and free of rent and food because it's with my parents. life here is expensive
 
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#948 · (Edited)
This is the only thing I have seen that has fixed the issue, including the (now 6) seperate properties I have tried my pc at personally.

You can see how his mouse is moving, snapping onto targets instead of snapping NEAR targets, then having to use micro movements to correct.

I do remember there being a whole issue with cpu meltdowns etc.
I feel like they had to do something with the microcode to 'fix' the issue with the cpu's rng .

But yeah.. you can see in the video that a bios release fixed his issue.


Edit: Even though this has 0 impact on the issue, windows tweaker tool was also a very handy app to download, especially for the ease of use to disable all telemetry, diagnostic and other privacy features constantly sending pc's info back to microsoft.
This obviously led to a snappier sytem feel, but I'll say it again just incase, 0 impact on the issue. Just a handy tool.
 
#949 ·
x7007 said:
first it's expensive, second I won't know how the mouse behave all days of the year and it might change again. third I have too many things in this house now like Epson 9400 projector and elite Grey 5d 100 inch screen and free of rent and food because it's with my parents. life here is expensive
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bro contact me i want to help you with all this input lag
 
#950 ·
Hello Yonaxs,

I am very interested in solving my input lag and I am very curious what your solution is because I have tried so many things and still nothing has been permanent. They work for 1 week sometimes 3 weeks and than it goes back to very bad input lag. It is very frustrating.

Can you please help me?
 
#951 ·
direka3527 said:
Hello Yonaxs,

I am very interested in solving my input lag and I am very curious what your solution is because I have tried so many things and still nothing has been permanent. They work for 1 week sometimes 3 weeks and than it goes back to very bad input lag. It is very frustrating.

Can you please help me?
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Rule of thumb. If someone is not willing to post it in a forum post it is not a real fix. Do not get hopes up.
 
#952 · (Edited)
Sqwash said:
This is the only thing I have seen that has fixed the issue, including the (now 6) seperate properties I have tried my pc at personally.

You can see how his mouse is moving, snapping onto targets instead of snapping NEAR targets, then having to use micro movements to correct.

I do remember there being a whole issue with cpu meltdowns etc.
I feel like they had to do something with the microcode to 'fix' the issue with the cpu's rng .

But yeah.. you can see in the video that a bios release fixed his issue.


Edit: Even though this has 0 impact on the issue, windows tweaker tool was also a very handy app to download, especially for the ease of use to disable all telemetry, diagnostic and other privacy features constantly sending pc's info back to microsoft.
This obviously led to a snappier sytem feel, but I'll say it again just incase, 0 impact on the issue. Just a handy tool.
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Sqwash said:
Hi all. I am achieving significant results in terms of mouse responsiveness (on desktop screen and in game) once I uninstall the previously mentioned driver in my prior post. Can anyone confirm or deny a change after replicating said actions?
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This is going to be demotivating but something to enjoy for the time being. The xeon driver fix is legit. But in time the problem worsens and your xeon driver fix won't make a difference against EMI. 2 years ago I deleted Intel Management Engine Interface, which I thought was the main culprit for mouse input lag and desync. It sure did make things better for a while but it did not last long. You can make it even better by disabling the

1. Other useless(?) drivers in device manager(HPET, system timer, Nvidia HD audio)

2. Certain services in services.msc (windows update, display policy service, windows search).

3. Lowering resolution in game.

4. Everytime you restart PC, go into the bios and change cpu fan speed mode from DC to PWM and vice versa.

What I think disabling these does is reduce the load on the system, thereby reducing the effects on EMI which are mouse input lag, desync death and jittery gameplay. But remember, in sometime, maybe a few months or so, depending on how bad the EMI issue is at your place if it exists at all, these temporary fixes won't make any difference as they have to me. Such is the EMI issue, it worsens with time.

I am as unlucky as AymanBB, the creator of the "mouse input lag is killing me" thread when I moved into a new place which had the same EMI issues as my old place, although less severe.
 
#953 ·

Mouse floaty after update/restart - Windows 10 Help Forums

Hello! I´m having a wierd problem, my mouse is "floaty" after some update or something. When i rebooted Windows 10 yesterday a screen appeared with outlook/office login prompts (kinda like when a windows update completed), after that i just pres
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Ive seen so many of these now, and its how it happened to me too.
I remember one day my mouse sensitivity drastically increased and has since been unusable.

Try searching on google with "after update" in quotation marks and you'll find a few.
 
#958 ·
After testing over and over and over I've found the real culprit. For me, the biggest culprit that changes the mouse is the mouse cable itself. Depends on how it is stretched or where it is, the input lag will change. I don't know what affects it but we already know it's EMI and other things so even if I move house or place it could be exactly the same. the whole idea is to find how to isolate the mouse cable 100% from anything else. Any idea how to do that? All this time my mouse worked perfectly as long I didn't move it. so I've been playing games and even bought Projector to play games in 3D finally to enjoy. The projector is Epson TW-9400 and Elite Grey 5D screen. both are very expensive and I didn't been short on the quality.

Also, just in case me and my friend Disabled HPET in the Windows Device Manager. it could help a bit, I'm not sure, I'm still testing, but my friend told me the Disabling IOC for all TDs helped him a lot, and he plays Call Of Duty Warzone a lot.
 
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#959 ·
x7007 said:
After testing over and over and over I've found the real culprit. For me, the biggest culprit that changes the mouse is the mouse cable itself. Depends on how it is stretched or where it is, the input lag will change. I don't know what affects it but we already know it's EMI and other things so even if I move house or place it could be exactly the same. the whole idea is to find how to isolate the mouse cable 100% from anything else. Any idea how to do that? All this time my mouse worked perfectly as long I didn't move it. so I've been playing games and even bought Projector to play games in 3D finally to enjoy. The projector is Epson TW-9400 and Elite Grey 5D screen. both are very expensive and I didn't been short on the quality.

Also, just in case me and my friend Disabled HPET in the Windows Device Manager. it could help a bit, I'm not sure, I'm still testing, but my friend told me the Disabling IOC for all TDs helped him a lot, and he plays Call Of Duty Warzone a lot.
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Did you find another "final solution"? 😃
It happens even on wireless mouses, only PS/2 mouse might help a bit but I'm not sure. It's not the mouse, I've tested like 4-5 mices, gaming and plain ones.
Disabling HPET is hit or miss, sometimes it makes gaming really smooth and your FPS skyrockets, or your FPS drops drastically. Everyone should use it on his own risk. And remember it should be ON/ON or OFF/OFF in both Windows & Bios.
 
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#960 · (Edited)
boy_next_door69 said:
Did you find another "final solution"? 😃
It happens even on wireless mouses, only PS/2 mouse might help a bit but I'm not sure. It's not the mouse, I've tested like 4-5 mices, gaming and plain ones.
Disabling HPET is hit or miss, sometimes it makes gaming really smooth and your FPS skyrockets, or your FPS drops drastically. Everyone should use it on his own risk. And remember it should be ON/ON or OFF/OFF in both Windows & Bios.
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Ye it's On in the Bios. you don't enable it in the BCDEDIT command if that's what you mean, you just enable it in the BIOS and let windows do whatever it wants with HPET like HWINFO64 can use HPET. for more every time HPET is enabled my CPU gets more heat or works harder for some random times. I don't know how to explain it/

First, let's do the step with the cable mouse then we'll continue to Wireless. you can't expect me to find all solution by myself because other people need to test it to give results. all the solution depends on how the other people test it. if we have the right standards then we'll have the right answers.

Wireless or not the mouse just picks up any EMI. the question is how we make it not acting as an antenna. I'm not talking about the Mouse itself, I'm talking about what you actually moving is shown on the monitor. we need first to understand that the mouse no matter what brand it is, has the EMI that can go through EMI, back to the PC. so that's what we need to fix, whatever goes out also goes in because your CPU needs to interrupt all the data. My mouse doesn't slide anymore and every time I stop it stops immediately. I'm also using 600 DPI instead 800 DPI. DPI has MUCH MUCH affect on the input lag, on some specific DPI it makes the mouse slide no matter what, at least from what I checked, so that's why even after I fixed the issue it somehow came back because I change the DPI back again! and who would though that little DPI would make the mouse go crazy. That means there is still EMI on a specific DATA RATE that doesn't have enough EMI to cause the mouse to go crazy. so our focus is mainly on the mouse.

I need you people, to test 2 things. First Disable the USB IOC for all TDs and see how the mouse. then change your mouse DPI to 600. get used to the DPI and see how much it slides and how much it errors. then try to mess with the mouse cable, try to circle it around itself spread, tight it, and check if anything changes.

Also, many times my mouse went crazy again because I did In-Place windows upgrade and it reset all the settings. so there is an explanation for everything, we just need to understand it first. but to understand we need to write, and if I write here then other people can see, why should I write it on Notepad and no one would know about it? the most genius people have always mistaken at first, that's how you learn and continue.
 
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