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#11,023 ·
I've got the Z390 Aorus Master with BIOS F10b. Should I update to the newer F11n?

I've got a 9900K at 5.1GHz all-core, with 4.7GHz uncore. LLC High, 1.365v Vcore. Barely stable (for desktop use and gaming, it mostly runs fine). Memory is at 4000 16-17-17-36-2T (can do 4100 16-18-18-36-2T, but I didn't think that was faster).

Will F11n improve stability? Will it allow me to increase my CPU/RAM overclocks?

I'm in no rush for Resizable BAR because the games I play do not support it yet. I'm worried the microcode update will slow it down (I have Spectre/Meltdown stuff turned off in Windows registry as well).

Another thing I just found out online, to set switching frequency to 300KHz. Both CPU Vcore and VAXG PWM are on 'Auto' right now, and default (right column) says 400. Will this improve stability?

I also don't want to repeat the many days, even weeks, of RAM timing tuning if the BIOS completely upends everything. Unless it's a sure bet that it will wind up in a better spot.
 
#11,024 ·
unclewebb said:
Some Asus boards do the same thing. The SpeedStep option in the BIOS is what I call a dummy option on some motherboards because it does not actually do anything. Whether SpeedStep is set to enabled or disabled in the BIOS, if you check the CPU SpeedStep register after booting up, you will see that SpeedStep is always enabled. This has been an issue for years. Most users do not check the EIST flag in HWiNFO. Everyone just assumes that if you disable something in the BIOS that it actually works.

Your screenshot shows SST in green in both HWiNFO and in ThrottleStop which means Speed Shift Technology is enabled, likely by the BIOS. This is the way to control the CPU speed of 6th Gen and newer Intel CPUs. When Speed Shift is enabled, I do not think having SpeedStep enabled or disabled makes any difference. The register that used to control the CPU speed is no longer used when Speed Shift Technology is enabled. In this situation, the Speed Shift EPP variable is what controls the CPU speed when lightly loaded.

If Speed Shift is enabled, ThrottleStop will report the EPP value the CPU is using in the FIVR monitoring table. An EPP setting of 0 is for maximum CPU speed regardless of load. If you are using the Windows High Performance power plan, Windows should be setting EPP to 0 automatically. When using the Balanced power plan, Windows will usually set EPP to 84. This is what allows the CPU speed to wander and decrease when the CPU is idle or lightly loaded.
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That's what I thought should happen. Setting Windows power plan to High Performance should allow the CPU to stay at its maximum power as per BIOS settings. EIST does nothing because "Speed Shift" overrides it? Am I understanding it correctly?
 
#11,025 ·
my MB Z390 master F11n BIOs with 9700K refuse to OC even to 4.9hz no matter whaiti do
spent lot ot time trying adjust voltage, tweaking, youtube guides and stiil refuse.
it was stable for a while but recently got immediately crash.
also with easy tune gigabyte app the standard 4.9hz oc immediately crash
any thoughts?
 
#11,026 · (Edited)
eliau81 said:
my MB Z390 master F11n BIOs with 9700K refuse to OC even to 4.9hz no matter whaiti do
spent lot ot time trying adjust voltage, tweaking, youtube guides and stiil refuse.
it was stable for a while but recently got immediately crash.
also with easy tune gigabyte app the standard 4.9hz oc immediately crash
any thoughts?
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@eliau81 What are all your BIOS settings/voltages? What LLC? Hard to say without knowing those.

I have a 9900K on F11o (@KedarWolf mod) and have also suddenly started getting crashes/freezes, no longer stable. I've had Windows 10 Update blocked from running (using Sledgehammer) for a while, so this isn't a recent Windows update that's causing it. I've been running 1.375v / Medium LLC @ 5Ghz ...could that have caused degradation? I have a Noctua cooler and temps rarely go above 60/70's.

Also @KedarWolf, you posted a followup F11o mod where you mention you tweaked/changed something in order to fix the integrated GPU or something. Somebody asked what was changed but I couldn't find any followup. Can I ask what was changed in that version? Would it be best to use that one over the original F11o, or does it sacrifice something for the fix?
 
#11,027 ·
Coldblackice said:
@eliau81 What are all your BIOS settings/voltages? What LLC? Hard to say without knowing those.

I have a 9900K on F11o (@KedarWolf mod) and have also suddenly started getting crashes/freezes, no long stable. I've blocked Windows 10 Update from running, so it's not a recent Windows update that's causing this. I have been running on 1.375v / Medium LLC @ 5Ghz ...could that have caused degradation? I'm on a Noctua cooler and temps rarely go above 60/70's.

Also @KedarWolf, you posted a followup F11o mod where you mention tweaking something to fix the integrated GPU or something. Somebody asked what was changed but I couldn't find any followup. Can I ask what was changed in this second F11o mod? Would it be best to use that one over the original F11o, or does it sacrifice something for the fix?
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Second mod is better but just integrated GPU fixed is all.
 
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#11,028 ·
KedarWolf said:
Second mod is better but just integrated GPU fixed is all.
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Awesome, thanks, I'll re-flash that one. What in particular was fixed? My understanding was that the iGPU was able to work already with the original F11o?

Not disputing, I'm just merely curious, that's all.
 
#11,029 ·
Coldblackice said:
Awesome, thanks, I'll re-flash that one. What in particular was fixed? My understanding was that the iGPU was able to work already with the original F11o?

Not disputing, I'm just merely curious, that's all.
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No, integrated GPU was messed up on the original. Do a custom search with my Username and get the very newest one I posted. It has the newest integrated GPU firmware and a fixed working version. :)
 
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#11,030 · (Edited)
KedarWolf

I have Z390 Aorus Master with 9900KS. I flashed the F10b Modded back on Nov 2019.
Microcode is listed as BE in hwinfo.

The main thing I noticed was that very fast memory timings are stable.
I got 3200 OC memory with 13 13 13 28 1T timings with 1.404V
Default timings for this memory are 14 14 14 48 2T with 1.35V

The latest prime95 with smallfft test, AVX enabled etc.. stable for days with my faster timings. :)

I read that the latest modded F11o is faster than latest modded F11 that you have posted.
I am wondering if the F11o modded is faster than the F10b modded?

Any reason for me to upgrade for speed or OC purposes?
Any other reason?

Sorry if these questions are noob. :)
 
#11,031 ·
paxton676 said:
KedarWolf

I have Z390 Aorus Master with 9900KS. I flashed the F10b Modded back on Nov 2019.
Microcode is listed as BE in hwinfo.

The main thing I noticed was that very fast memory timings are stable.
I got 3200 OC memory with 13 13 13 28 1T timings with 1.404V
Default timings for this memory are 14 14 14 48 2T with 1.35V

The latest prime95 with smallfft test, AVX enabled etc.. stable for days with my faster timings. :)

I read that the latest modded F11o is faster than latest modded F11 that you have posted.
I am wondering if the F11o modded is faster than the F10b modded?

Any reason for me to upgrade for speed or OC purposes?
Any other reason?

Sorry if these questions are noob. :)
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They have the same microcodes, but that being said, the newest BIOS MIGHT enhance performance as it likely has some tweaks and fixes the old BIOS doesn't.

But that would need to be tested o be sure.
 
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#11,032 ·
SineMatiks1 said:
@KedarWolf

Hey man, idk why but I just can't flash your newest F.11o mod. I tried using different efiflash versions but in the end, there's always an error "Bios Loading Failed".
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Custom search my Username and find the proper flashing instructions from later posts. the one's that include the /C switch in the flashing command.

If that doesn't work, find an older post with the all checks bypassed modded efiflash.

But warning, that'll even flash a wrong board's BIOS to your board and thus could brick it.

Make SURE you are flashing the right board's BIOS. :/
 
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#11,033 ·
Something's not right but I can't figure out what...

I have an Aorus Ultra with a 1TB Samsung 970 EVO+ in M2A (boot drive), and a 2TB Samsung 860 QVO in M2M. I'm only using the Intel CPU graphics (no cards installed) and a USB 3.1 data drive. And I just flashed to F10h

Easy Mode shows SATA = P0: Samsung SSD 86 (2000.3TB), PCIE = none and M.2 = none. Then under NVME Config it says No Device Found

Advanced Mode->System Info-> Plugin Devices shows all PCIE and M.2 as N/A

Device Manager shows all drives but they are all using the MS default 2/21/06 drivers. Tried installing Samsung driver but say not compatible device found.

However, they are working as I can boot Windows up and AS SSD Benchmark shows the EVO+ with a score of 5659. What gives? I need an education :) Thanks!!
 
#11,034 ·
ataribravo said:
Something's not right but I can't figure out what...

I have an Aorus Ultra with a 1TB Samsung 970 EVO+ in M2A (boot drive), and a 2TB Samsung 860 QVO in M2M. I'm only using the Intel CPU graphics (no cards installed) and a USB 3.1 data drive. And I just flashed to F10h

Easy Mode shows SATA = P0: Samsung SSD 86 (2000.3TB), PCIE = none and M.2 = none. Then under NVME Config it says No Device Found

Advanced Mode->System Info-> Plugin Devices shows all PCIE and M.2 as N/A

Device Manager shows all drives but they are all using the MS default 2/21/06 drivers. Tried installing Samsung driver but say not compatible device found.

However, they are working as I can boot Windows up and AS SSD Benchmark shows the EVO+ with a score of 5659. What gives? I need an education :) Thanks!!
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The Intel SATA controller has hijacked your NVME SSD. You will need to tell it to not take control of your NVME drive in the BIOS by setting "RST Control PCIe Storage Devices" to "Manual" and setting "PCIe Storage Dev On Port xx" to "Not RST Controlled".
 

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#11,035 · (Edited)
KedarWolf

Thank you so much for your reply to my question of F11o vs F10b modded bios.
I was hesitant to pull the trigger and upgrade to latest without your input.

I took picture of all my F10b settings and copied them to the F11o.
Verified in hwinfo microcode is still BE.

I ran 3DMark timespy and numbers for GPU and CPU score are same , maybe a bit better :)
So no reduction in performance updating to latest modded :)

Still need to stress test but if that holds up this was a good upgrade. thanks :)
So far about 1hr of prime95 smalfft and still stable.

FYI, running the F11n official latest bios my numbers in 3DMARK were much lower, especially the CPU score. That's an old test I did some time ago and went back to the F10b modded.
***The point being that the modded bios with faster microcode is verified better performance.
Thanks again KedarWolf, you rock!

*If you missing the hand icon to select this HWINFO image than reload webpage works for me in Google Chrome. This lets you zoom in on image.
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You can see BE, F11o, 9900KS, RTX 3070 TI, better memory timings, and my name is Brian.:)

Lastly, I got the 3070 TI on newegg shuffle at retail price $599. Only had it about 4 days now.
A 3080 for retail $699 is the better deal but I took what I could get.
3080 is 20% FPS increase to 3070 TI. In my opinion, totally worth $100 for 20%.
 
#11,036 ·
Smokediggity said:
The Intel SATA controller has hijacked your NVME SSD. You will need to tell it to not take control of your NVME drive in the BIOS by setting "RST Control PCIe Storage Devices" to "Manual" and setting "PCIe Storage Dev On Port xx" to "Not RST Controlled".
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Thank you for your time! Is there someplace to get detail info on all of the BIOS settings?

I did try your suggestion, but the PC would not boot after "Not RST Controlled" stating inaccessible boot drive.

I did also find that the 970 EVO+ is connected to M2M, not M2A as I previously thought. Can this make a difference?

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#11,037 ·
ataribravo said:
Thank you for your time! Is there someplace to get detail info on all of the BIOS settings?

I did try your suggestion, but the PC would not boot after "Not RST Controlled" stating inaccessible boot drive.

I did also find that the 970 EVO+ is connected to M2M, not M2A as I previously thought. Can this make a difference?

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After changing the BIOS settings, you will need to boot into Windows safemode so that windows can detect the change.

1. Boot into Windows normally
2. Do a Windows search for "Change advanced startup options"
3. Click Restart Now
4. Then on the following screen go to Troubleshoot > Advanced Options > Startup Settings
5. Click Restart
6. Change the settings in BIOS
7. Upon booting Select option 4, Enable Safe Mode.
8. Once you are at your desktop, wait a minute for Windows to recognize the change, then you can reboot normally and it should work.
 
#11,038 ·
Smokediggity said:
After changing the BIOS settings, you will need to boot into Windows safemode so that windows can detect the change.

1. Boot into Windows normally
2. Do a Windows search for "Change advanced startup options"
3. Click Restart Now
4. Then on the following screen go to Troubleshoot > Advanced Options > Startup Settings
5. Click Restart
6. Change the settings in BIOS
7. Upon booting Select option 4, Enable Safe Mode.
8. Once you are at your desktop, wait a minute for Windows to recognize the change, then you can reboot normally and it should work.
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YES, that worked! I attached an image showing before and after AS SSD benchmark results. An improvement, yes, but not much. Should I have expected more going from SATA to PCIe? Do you have any other bits of wisdom to look for? I'm just underwhelmed at the performance since I researched and put so hefty coin into this build (2 years ago). I am only using the Intel CPU graphics. Do you think a dedicated graphics card would help? I don't game but do dabble in Photoshop. Thanks so much!!
 

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ataribravo said:
YES, that worked! I attached an image showing before and after AS SSD benchmark results. An improvement, yes, but not much. Should I have expected more going from SATA to PCIe? Do you have any other bits of wisdom to look for? I'm just underwhelmed at the performance since I researched and put so hefty coin into this build (2 years ago). I am only using the Intel CPU graphics. Do you think a dedicated graphics card would help? I don't game but do dabble in Photoshop. Thanks so much!!
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Here's a screenshot of the system info provided by CPUID. Decent 2 year old system?
 

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#11,040 ·
ataribravo said:
YES, that worked! I attached an image showing before and after AS SSD benchmark results. An improvement, yes, but not much. Should I have expected more going from SATA to PCIe? Do you have any other bits of wisdom to look for? I'm just underwhelmed at the performance since I researched and put so hefty coin into this build (2 years ago). I am only using the Intel CPU graphics. Do you think a dedicated graphics card would help? I don't game but do dabble in Photoshop. Thanks so much!!
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Glad that worked out for you. I'm getting roughly the same numbers as you in AS SSD for a 1 TB 870 EVO, so I would have to guess that those numbers are about what you should expect.

If you are looking for more performance you could try overclocking or using one of the modded BIOS from @KedarWolf, which contain a faster, but older/less secure CPU microcode. I don't use the integrated GPU or photoshop, so I couldn't really say what kind of performance gain you might see from changing to a dedicated GPU, though I would guess that it would be faster.

For future reference installing/updating the Intel RST drivers will re-hijack your nvme ssd, so you will have to undo it again if you update the drivers.
 
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