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Would You Buy a Single/Dual 120m/140m Fan Shroud Replacement From Your AIB (within reasonable cost)?

  • Yes, I perfer just the video card shroud and I buy my own fans

    Votes: 11 48%
  • I perfer a video card shroud with fans

    Votes: 3 13%
  • No, I'm fine with the current cooling solution

    Votes: 4 17%
  • Not sure, installation might be to complex

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • I perfer to buy the video card with this as a cooling solution

    Votes: 4 17%
  • I perfer a triple 120mm fan solution

    Votes: 0 0%
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I can only hope that AIBs get a clue and start making Fan Shrouds that allow standard 120mm fans. This needs more attention as you are getting better cooling at a lower audio decibel. I can only image the cost to profit ratio of producing just dual 120mm fan shrouds for current video cards.
Investors would :love:.
Gamers will :love:.
AIB's coffers will :love:.

Now imagine a heatsink & Fan Shroud designed for dual 140mm fans for current gen high end video cards. :whistle:
 
Interesting. If they added it to future x090 GPU's for the backside, it might reduce the need to actually buy active backplates or Optimus Waterblocks.
 
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I'm reminded, then shocked, that 120mm fans haven't been incorporated in an AIB builds. After years of ghetto modding it ourselves going as far back nearly 20 years. This isn't a new concept. We know how inefficient current gpu fans are. It's taking a triple custom video card fan around 1500rpm/1800rpm (at a rough guess) to do what dual 120mm fans can do at just 900 rpm. Causing more noise and potentially draw more power. Think about it. The power envelope of the fan header(s) on a video card today can effectively power dual 120mm fans now. That wasn't a thing 5-10 years ago.

I only wish AIBs see this and start making immediate changes. Just give me a 120mm custom fan shroud for their current line of of video cards. And let me pick the 120mm fans (within reason of course). That's all I want. Not sure if a triple 120mm fan is doable though. That's were a dual 140mm fan comes into play.
 
I wonder why they didn't use their 15mm fans.
 
Noise levels aside, it would be nice to see this as an option of more GPUs just to make it easy to replace the fans.
 
Would be nice to see a single fan version. Like a 3060? Or an AMD version.
 
I do ponder on the possibility of how close we could get our gpu's to water cooled version performance with a higher pressure fans. Sacrificing a bit of noise for better OC'ing...
Air cooling has a range where is efficient, and it's usually above liquid cooling temp. The benefit? it releases the heat very fast. 3090s consuming 400w+ are no problem for the stock cooler that comes on them with 2x120x25/30 fans attached. You will have a hard time going bellow 50, but staying into the low to mid 60s, you can do as ridiculously as 700rpm for a phanteks T30, if case airflow is adequate.
 
I still want to see someone mount an IceGiant to a gpu. :D
 
I'd prefer it if I could buy a GPU without a cooling solution or if stock cooling solutions used standardized fan sizes and mounts.

As it is, I usually pull off my stock coolers to swap out TIMs (all of my high-end GPUs have liquid metal on the GPU and either TG-PP-10 putty or decent aftermarket pads on everything else), but can't bring myself to reattach the garish and cumbersome fan/LED cooling monstrosities that have multiple connectors to the PCB and are a pain to clean...so I just attach better fans to the fin stacks, and sometimes make a cardboard shroud if it improves cooling.

I wonder why they didn't use their 15mm fans.
Because the A12x25s are much better fans. Less noise and much more airflow. The only reason to use their 15mm fans is if nothing thicker will fit and no other decent slim fans are available.

Air cooling has a range where is efficient, and it's usually above liquid cooling temp. The benefit? it releases the heat very fast. 3090s consuming 400w+ are no problem for the stock cooler that comes on them with 2x120x25/30 fans attached. You will have a hard time going bellow 50, but staying into the low to mid 60s, you can do as ridiculously as 700rpm for a phanteks T30, if case airflow is adequate.
How fast the cooler cools down doesn't mean much for sustained loads. The main benefit is that you have something self contained that doesn't need to be connected to a loop, and, of course, a big enough air cooler can still perform

My Gigabyte 3080 Master has a 2.5 slot thick fin stack, without the fans and shroud, and (with a complete TIM replacement) runs at nearly the same temps with three 92x25mm fans tied to it as my 3080 FE does with a full cover Bykski block.
 
How fast the cooler cools down doesn't mean much for sustained loads. The main benefit is that you have something self contained that doesn't need to be connected to a loop, and, of course, a big enough air cooler can still perform
I wasn't saying that. Liquid cooling, actual liquid, sucks at dissipating heat compared to a heatpipe, cus transference is quite meh, and why you usually get great results, it's because you can oversize everything.

What i was saying, it that it takes certain load and temperature, for an air cooler to reach peak efficiency. And it doesn't happen at 40-55°C (assuming 20-25°C ambient), which is what you get on liquid cooling. For the GPU scenario, it usually happens around 55-70°C.

My Gigabyte 3080 Master has a 2.5 slot thick fin stack, without the fans and shroud, and (with a complete TIM replacement) runs at nearly the same temps with three 92x25mm fans tied to it as my 3080 FE does with a full cover Bykski block.
I'm pretty sure it's not under noise normalised conditions, cus otherwise your custom loop build is poorly configured, which is not uncommon or unheard of. It's actually quite common lately, since 2x360 or similar capacity, it's not oversized anymore for GPUs that go between 300 and 450watts and CPUs with the behaviour and thermal density of ryzens... So the faults in user configuration, and choice of case, fans and cooling parts show up quite easily.



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What's important is that the heatsink is wide enough to support 120mm fans. I lost a few degrees rigging a12x25s on my card, so it isn't a guaranteed drop in temps.

But I'm glad this was done. When done right, it will improve the serviceability of the cards. A 3 fan version would be nice.

I think the last time this was done was on an Asus Mars graphics card around 10 years ago. It used 120mm fans and had great temps considering it was a dual gpu card.
 
What i was saying, it that it takes certain load and temperature, for an air cooler to reach peak efficiency. And it doesn't happen at 40-55°C (assuming 20-25°C ambient), which is what you get on liquid cooling. For the GPU scenario, it usually happens around 55-70°C.
I'm aware that heatpipes/vapor chambers have a tighter operating temperature range than a water loop, and are generally more efficient near the higher end of their range, but I'm doubtful this is a major factor in most GPU cooling situations. If the main limiting factor is heatsink fin area, the deltas aren't going to be much different along the practical heatpipe operating range.

On this Gigabyte 3080 with the modified stock cooler (which has about three times the fin area of the FE cooler) using new TIM and three Arctic F9s at ~1500rpm, full load (370w limit) temperature deltas are around 30C ambient to GPU edge, 42C GPU hotspot, and ~50C for the GDDR6X junction.

I'm pretty sure it's not under noise normalised conditions, cus otherwise your custom loop build is poorly configured, which is not uncommon or unheard of. It's actually quite common lately, since 2x360 or similar capacity, it's not oversized anymore for GPUs that go between 300 and 450watts and CPUs with the behaviour and thermal density of ryzens... So the faults in user configuration, and choice of case, fans and cooling parts show up quite easily.
It's fairly well noise normalized, subjectively speaking (I didn't do any measurments, I'm just running the fans up to the level I start to be able to distinguish them from background noise). However, I am running rather light on rad area for a 3080; a single 240x30 14 FPI rad with pair of Arctic P12s (normally running at 1200-1300 rpm, mounted as a front intake, with a DDC pump at 40%/2000 rpm (which is complete overkill, but I'm planning on adding a CPU block and 280 or 360 radiator to the loop, once I get things in a more permanent configuration). There are no other components currently being cooled on this loop.

At the same load and 370w power limit, the temperature delta advantage for the loop is maybe ~3C core/hot spot and ~8C GDDR6X (which is a bigger advantage than it seems because the memory on this FE clocks higher than any other non-hardmodded 3080 I've ever seen...+1750MHz or so, stable).

Flowing water can potentially radically outperform heatpipes in heat carrying capacity and it's much easier to add radiator area to a loop than fin area to a heatpipe cooler, but if vaporchamber/heatpipe capacity isn't the limiting factor and fin/rad area (and air flow through it) are similar, then temps should be roughly similar...and in my situation, they are.

Sure, I could triple the radiator area of this loop and knock another 10C off temp deltas with dead silent fans, but there is little incentive for me to do so. The main reason this FE is even watercooled in the first place is because the stock cooler and TIM combination made the card almost unusable due to memory temps maxing out and the FE cooler is obnoxious enough to work with that I was disinclined to limit myself to a pad swap.

With the sort of power limits I'm working with, a big air cooler with real fans on it is plenty sufficient. Stock heatsinks are pretty much there on high-end GPUs, but they still have heavily integrated slim fans that tend to be loud for their air flow and a chore to replace.

What's important is that the heatsink is wide enough to support 120mm fans. I lost a few degrees rigging a12x25s on my card, so it isn't a guaranteed drop in temps.
Ducting helps a lot. I have A12-x25s on my PowerColor 6800 XT and there was a ~7C drop in temps when I rigged up a posterboard shroud to make sure all the air coming out of the fans was passing through the heatsink fins.

Of course, the stock fans on many coolers can ramp up to 3000-4000 rpm and it will be hard to beat full speed temps, but almost no stock GPU fans are going to move as much air as a pair of A12x25s at anywhere near the same noise level.
 
So you think a producer would put into market a gpu with a incomplete hs (without fans) or a hs with swappable fans not tested by them and give you a warranty? good luck with that....
 
Honestly, I like what Sapphire did with the current Nitro+ line using swapable fans; if a solution like that gained enough popularity to leverage popular fan manufacturers' into development, we would see some interesting results. The current blade design for them is seemingly quite good to begin with, the only real down side I can see is the over-all depth and small size of the motor, but it's not like they're on a high fin density cooler.
 
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I just don't think a aftermarket fan shroud is an ideal solution unless it's targeted for specific make and model and offer several different skus. It would have to be something like how Byski is on waterblocks. Offering several different kinds so it fits different makes/models.

Not impossible just not ideal.
 
So you think a producer would put into market a gpu with a incomplete hs (without fans) or a hs with swappable fans not tested by them and give you a warranty? good luck with that....
They already sell GPUs with full cover blocks on them. They usually include prominent warnings to connect them to a loop before trying to run them.

I think the same thing could work for an air cooled GPU that didn't come with fans. Charge $50 more for a $2 shroud that standard fans can clip to, and reduce one's BoM by $10-15 at the same time, use half of the profit to insure against the invariable fool that ignores a dozen warning labels and RMAs a perfectly fine card because they never put any fans on it.
 
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