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It's strange that seems noone is covering the New Order game vs Ampere thing on this forum....isn't it?
 
It's far cry, which means ubisoft, which means it will have performance problems at launch. There is almost always some sort of cpu thing that will get patched and performance will go up a little bit. I didn;t have a new driver update yesterday so I don't think Nvidia has done the "game ready" thing for FC6, might have been part of the last one.

I played for quite a while last night and enjoyed myself. I didn't mess around with settings much, set it to ultra and turned on whatever those F features are. I was getting between 55 and 90 fps (5600x/2080ti) but I wasn't really impressed with the visuals. I think I am going to turn off those F settings and see if it helps with the way it looks. Reminds me a little of the visual problems with CP2077's first implementation of DLSS, sometimes it looks good and sometimes it looks like dookie.

I am going to try it out tonight on the mobile 3080 where I can test the HD textures since it has 16gb of vram. Those textures better be amazing given the silly vram requirement.
 
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That's your cue to post it in the hardware news section. Tell me more about this with sources.
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well I checked several other subforums and couldn't find anything, so I asked in the only one that seems populated 😅
 
Because they are literally not selling at my local neighborhood Microcenter and I'm seeing the same cards every other Saturday when I go. I have to believe that people would want the cards if they were cheaper.


I don't recognize the part attached to your year fan, but the tubing coming into it has collapsed. Your loop will still function like this and may have good temperatures, but you are losing flow rate for a very avoidable reason. Collapsed tubing usually happens with clear plastic tubing when you have a bend on the piece coming into the pump.

There is also a lot of air in your loop but I'll assume you were filling the loop when taking that picture.
I see them selling on Newegg. It might simply be that more people are buying the cards online. Microcenter is a hour round trip for me. If I order the parts ahead of time having the parts come to me is much less of a hassle. Especially when I cannot reserve a graphics card or higher end CPU from the store before making the trip out. I'm not going to drive all the way out there and back to come back empty handed and I have better things to do then camp outside the store to maybe get just one part. Not to mention I have connections for processors and graphics cards at a slightly better price then Microcenter. For instance I paid $700 for a Ryzen 5950X. Just because one vendor isn't moving cards as well doesn't mean they all are not.

The collapse you are referring too is from a 90 degree adapter making the tube do a bit of a moon shape. I was in the process of reworking the loop previously but ran out of tubing so I had to reuse this tube to keep the machine up and running. It's coming down from the top XR5 280 out to the XD3 in. On the radiator side it is just a fitting. On the pump side it is a fitting to a 90 degree adapter. I'm waiting on tubes and other parts to arrive, should be here soon (I skimped on shipping to save a buck). My plan once the parts arrive arrive is to drain that portion of the loop, remove the 90 degree adapter from there. I have a extension fitting already that is waiting. That will go in the radiator then the 90 degree adapter. Either before or after the extension adapter I'm adding the T block fitting. The drain tube will go out the back and into the rear chamber of the case so I can in the future open the back, pull the tube out and then release the fluid into a container. The changes will allow the new tube to the XD3 from the radiator to be nearly a straight shot.
 
I see them selling on Newegg. It might simply be that more people are buying the cards online. Microcenter is a hour round trip for me. If I order the parts ahead of time having the parts come to me is much less of a hassle. Especially when I cannot reserve a graphics card or higher end CPU from the store before making the trip out. I'm not going to drive all the way out there and back to come back empty handed and I have better things to do then camp outside the store to maybe get just one part. Not to mention I have connections for processors and graphics cards at a slightly better price then Microcenter. For instance I paid $700 for a Ryzen 5950X. Just because one vendor isn't moving cards as well doesn't mean they all are not.

The collapse you are referring too is from a 90 degree adapter making the tube do a bit of a moon shape. I was in the process of reworking the loop previously but ran out of tubing so I had to reuse this tube to keep the machine up and running. It's coming down from the top XR5 280 out to the XD3 in. On the radiator side it is just a fitting. On the pump side it is a fitting to a 90 degree adapter. I'm waiting on tubes and other parts to arrive, should be here soon (I skimped on shipping to save a buck). My plan once the parts arrive arrive is to drain that portion of the loop, remove the 90 degree adapter from there. I have a extension fitting already that is waiting. That will go in the radiator then the 90 degree adapter. Either before or after the extension adapter I'm adding the T block fitting. The drain tube will go out the back and into the rear chamber of the case so I can in the future open the back, pull the tube out and then release the fluid into a container. The changes will allow the new tube to the XD3 from the radiator to be nearly a straight shot.
I could see how those changes would help but tubing collapse has been unavoidable in my build when using plastic. After switching to thicker EPDM, it has been a non-issue.
 
The performance isnt my complaint with this game..., it is the old/dated looking graphics, dumbed down mechanics, and combat way too easy (im playing active, Im guessing story mode enemies just wave at you)

3080ti ftw3, with HD textures, everything maxed on ultra, 4k auros monitor, gameplay 80+fps and smooth, but visuals and mechanics seem ancient. Shooting mechanics are decent, but 1-2 shot everyone in the head (with them rarely shooting back) and melee kills are auto. Kept thinking I hit story mode, but i didnt.

If it werent for the characters being funny, well written, and story good so far, would have deleted game and gone back to cyberpunk. At least some cyberpunk missions required some planning and secret ending I got killed couple times before finishing. Combat will either get way harder, or Ill speed through youtube and watch the story and delete it.
 
Is this game just as repetitive as the previous FC games?

Hilbert's reviews are the absolute worst, he still hasn't discovered frame time matters more than meaningless average fps. HU and GN are thorough and meticulous, unlike the fail that is Hilbert and his permanent PMS.

so that is why the "Super Cards" will offer again a slightly higher VRAM.. 🤣

NGREEDIA customers get ripped..
You could have seen it coming a parsec away. It was obvious that the 12GB VRAM that nVidia stuck on the cards was planned obsolescence but we were told that it wasn't a big problem because no game would use that much VRAM for a few years to come.

Buyers of these cards fell into the trap that nVidia set for them and it's not the first time so all I can say is that nVidia are definitely better than AMD :ROFLMAO:
 
Is this game just as repetitive as the previous FC games?
yep, reskin dumbed down version of far cry 5. Finished in 41 hours with 2412 kills, 2341 with headshots, all with same silenced ms16 rifle from start which is only gun you need (other than 1 explosive option for vehicles). All other guns for humans were useless with either small clips (sniper rifles), noise (no silencer option), or unmodifiable (unique ones), mainly because 1 headshot = death but body shots drain a clip. Almost all weapons in given class had only small irrelevant differences, not that it matters since none were useful. All the gear/clothing was useless. With gear/guns being given and no meaningful leveling up or gun/gear improvements, side missions and exploring was without purpose hence boring.

If the game had meaningful leveling up, required exploring for better guns/gear for tougher enemies (like cyberpunk), then the side missions become a rewarding struggle which makes game more interesting/satisfying. Cyberpunk had its own issues, but was leagues better than this repetitive snoozefest, my last far cry game.
 
I think it's obvious that AMD "politely" suggested to make the vram requirements 11g so all their cards above the 6600xt could finally have a use for all that usless vram on their cards.

Same reason the only Ray Tracing settings are really terrible looking quarter res effects. AMD "politely" suggested not to implement full res ray tracing because in benhcmarks their GPUs would look way worse.

Same reason there's no DLSS because unlike NVIDIA who don't demand that FSR can never be in a title they sponsor, AMD seem to be scared of the competitions better features.

I think the GPU wars and "Sponsors" are really stupid. Because of it we got a worse looking game.

I also think fans of either brand are stupid. Calling NVIDIA "nGreedia" doesn't make you witty or clever. More like cringe and unoriginal.

Both AMD and NVIDIA (and Intel) are multi billion dollar mega corperations. Their goal inherently by design is to exploit employees and customers in any way possible to keep making ever increasing amounts of profit for their shareholders, investors, and high ranking members.
They neither need not want you or I fighting for them.
AMDs army of unpayed PR reps are running around the internet, blatantly ignoring problems and issues AMD have while simultanesly jumping on any issues oopposing brands have just to justify their fanaticism for a multi billion dollar corp that couldn't care less about them.

And its getting old. Or maybe I am.

I am old enough to remember a time when AMD and ATI constantly played leapfrog with Intel and NVIDIA for performance crowns and innovations.
Radeon 9700 anyone? Arguably the best launch of any GPU. Made NVIDIAs offerings look amature and sent the company into panic mode.
Remember in the 90s when AMD just completely bought out the chip maker "Next Gen" and used their designs to make the AMDK6 which destroyed the Pentium 100 and 133 models of the day and prompted Intel to release Pentium II early?
I remember when 64 bit was called "AMD64" and AFAIK Intel still lease the rights for 64 bit off AMD to this day.

I could reminisce all day, but as a great YouTuber once said, I digress. AMD are a tech giant, who have acquired and absorbed dozens of companies over the last 4 decades. They have made alot of amazing inovative tech over the years, and continue to do so. They don't need forum trolls and keyboard warriors (most of whom, I presume, are only old enough to remember the bulldozer/piledriver dead years from AMD) white knighting and spewing vitriolic venom on every corner of the internet they touch.
 
I think it's obvious that AMD "politely" suggested to make the vram requirements 11g so all their cards above the 6600xt could finally have a use for all that usless vram on their cards.

Same reason the only Ray Tracing settings are really terrible looking quarter res effects. AMD "politely" suggested not to implement full res ray tracing because in benhcmarks their GPUs would look way worse.

Same reason there's no DLSS because unlike NVIDIA who don't demand that FSR can never be in a title they sponsor, AMD seem to be scared of the competitions better features.

I think the GPU wars and "Sponsors" are really stupid. Because of it we got a worse looking game.

I also think fans of either brand are stupid. Calling NVIDIA "nGreedia" doesn't make you witty or clever. More like cringe and unoriginal.

Both AMD and NVIDIA (and Intel) are multi billion dollar mega corperations. Their goal inherently by design is to exploit employees and customers in any way possible to keep making ever increasing amounts of profit for their shareholders, investors, and high ranking members.
They neither need not want you or I fighting for them.
AMDs army of unpayed PR reps are running around the internet, blatantly ignoring problems and issues AMD have while simultanesly jumping on any issues oopposing brands have just to justify their fanaticism for a multi billion dollar corp that couldn't care less about them.

And its getting old. Or maybe I am.

I am old enough to remember a time when AMD and ATI constantly played leapfrog with Intel and NVIDIA for performance crowns and innovations.
Radeon 9700 anyone? Arguably the best launch of any GPU. Made NVIDIAs offerings look amature and sent the company into panic mode.
Remember in the 90s when AMD just completely bought out the chip maker "Next Gen" and used their designs to make the AMDK6 which destroyed the Pentium 100 and 133 models of the day and prompted Intel to release Pentium II early?
I remember when 64 bit was called "AMD64" and AFAIK Intel still lease the rights for 64 bit off AMD to this day.

I could reminisce all day, but as a great YouTuber once said, I digress. AMD are a tech giant, who have acquired and absorbed dozens of companies over the last 4 decades. They have made alot of amazing inovative tech over the years, and continue to do so. They don't need forum trolls and keyboard warriors (most of whom, I presume, are only old enough to remember the bulldozer/piledriver dead years from AMD) white knighting and spewing vitriolic venom on every corner of the internet they touch.
I think it is simply because the developers developed against the console specs and the higher end cards simply scale better. Nvidia's proprietary features are not supported by the consoles so the games are not as likely to get their features.
 
I'm reading with interest all the naysayers and critics of FC6. I pulled my 4K monitor off and put in a new 27" LG and turned on HDR in my newly installed W11 just for a change-up. Now, I haven't had the chance to run through deep into the game but I thought the intro and benchmark were very good. Are some of the people here expecting an Imax presentation? Although I'm not the most adroit overclocker here, nor do I sweat out every little centigrade/Fahrenheit bump, but I think my gamer runs FC6 very nicely. No, I don't have a water block on my FTW3 as I can't find one anywhere, but I haven't experience any outrageous temps and Noctura keeps my CPU tolerable. Maybe because I'm kind of a slow gamer when it come to the keyboard, and I been at this since the amber screen "Dungeons & Dragon" days, I just can't be so critical. A month or two up the line and it will be very good.
 
I think it's obvious that AMD "politely" suggested to make the vram requirements 11g so all their cards above the 6600xt could finally have a use for all that usless vram on their cards.

Same reason the only Ray Tracing settings are really terrible looking quarter res effects. AMD "politely" suggested not to implement full res ray tracing because in benhcmarks their GPUs would look way worse.

Same reason there's no DLSS because unlike NVIDIA who don't demand that FSR can never be in a title they sponsor, AMD seem to be scared of the competitions better features.
"I think it's obvious", no.... it's not obvious. Every word you wrote that follows that "I think it's obvious" was a conjecture. You lack the information, started with an assumption and every sentence that followed was building upon that initial assumption that is without evidence.

The raytracing used was DXR not RTX. DXR differs from RTX in that RT Cores handle both Geometry and Ray Casting Acceleration tasks whereas AMD Ray Accelerators only accelerate Ray Casting while Geometry is handled by the RDNA2 Geometry Processor. Because of this, less rays can be cast as the bottle neck is the Geometry Processor.

Less rays means less accuracy and DXR is capable, as it stands, of less accuracy than RTX.

So Ubisoft would have had to spend the developer time and money for RTX so that a few RTX owners could enjoy their RTX raytracing whereas with DXR it works on the Consoles, RTX hardware, and AMD's RDNA2 hardware. Seems like a no brainer to me.
 
I gave up messing with settings to try and get the game looking better. I set it to high and turned off all of the "enhancements" and focused on playing the game (mo fun at 110+ fps). The special stuff doesn't look very good to me and it costs me 30-40 fps on my 2080ti. I keep forgetting to start the HD texture download.
 
I just played for a few hours with the HD pack. I got 7.5-8.7 gb vram useage on the 2080ti at 1440p ultra with the DXR stuff turned off. Seems odd but I didn't notice any performance change when running them, just 3gb more vram being used. I guess those requirements are for running 4k, or maybe the DXR stuff increases the usage.

I was able to hit the limit and cause a performance hit with 4k and turning on the DXR features. Halfway through the benchmark the VRAM spiked to 10.7 and I dropped to 11 fps

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"I think it's obvious", no.... it's not obvious. Every word you wrote that follows that "I think it's obvious" was a conjecture. You lack the information, started with an assumption and every sentence that followed was building upon that initial assumption that is without evidence.

The raytracing used was DXR not RTX. DXR differs from RTX in that RT Cores handle both Geometry and Ray Casting Acceleration tasks whereas AMD Ray Accelerators only accelerate Ray Casting while Geometry is handled by the RDNA2 Geometry Processor. Because of this, less rays can be cast as the bottle neck is the Geometry Processor.

Less rays means less accuracy and DXR is capable, as it stands, of less accuracy than RTX.

So Ubisoft would have had to spend the developer time and money for RTX so that a few RTX owners could enjoy their RTX raytracing whereas with DXR it works on the Consoles, RTX hardware, and AMD's RDNA2 hardware. Seems like a no brainer to me.
You seem surprised that something after the words "I think" is conjecture. I never said "I know for a fact" or "I have imperical evidence" or even "I can make a good case"

I (me) think (not know) it's obvious (using my internal logic)

I chose my words carefully and said what I meant.

When you say "so that a few RTX owners could enjoy ...." you seem salty that your favorite brand has a very underwhelming version of a feature implemented.

Ubisoft "spent developer time and money" on Watchdogs Legion to have RTX and DLSS, on what I would assume is a less popular (and therefore less likely to make profit) franchise. And that has RT on both console and PC. So given as your logic falls apart under the slightest scrutiny, therefore:

I think it's obvious that on the AMD sponsored title they were commanded from on high by AMD to not include good RTX features, so their inferior hardware looks better up against their competitions. What company would keep paying to sponsor a title if they knew features were being implemented that would give their only direct competitor a massive advantage in day 1 reviews and general internet buzz?

And why would HD textures randomly take up EXACTLY 11g of vram? Alex in Digital Foundry's FC6 video found that even though the HD textures were using less than his 3080s 10G buffer the textures were all messed up with the HD pack on. Following your logic, the new consoles have 8g VRAM buffers and also have the HD texture pack and run at 4k Resolution! So tell me if its because of console reasons like you claim, why isn't there a 8g requirement? Why does the PC have this arbitrary 11g requirement for HD textures? and just coincidentally the requirement is 1 unit more than the 3080? And coincidentally 1 unit less than the RX 6700 and up has? You are telling me that it just HAPPENED to line up EXACTLY between NVIDIAS's mainstream flagship gpu and AMD's gpus? No.Therefore:

I think it's obvious that on the AMD sponsored title, there is an arbitrary 11g Vram requirement, when the consoles HD texture pack runs fine at 4k with a 8GB Vram buffer, because they were TOLD BY AMD to add that perfectly magic number.

Why do AMD fanboys think that the only corporations that can do dodgy, shady, underhanded, sneaky things is everyone else but AMD? All of these massive corporations have gotten to where they are by climbing the mountains of bodies of the people they have used and exploited, the smaller companies they have ravaged and dismantled, etc etc. But I digress...
 
You seem surprised that something after the words "I think" is conjecture. I never said "I know for a fact" or "I have imperical evidence" or even "I can make a good case"

I (me) think (not know) it's obvious (using my internal logic)

I chose my words carefully and said what I meant.

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fanboi's would really tend to be defensive..hahahaha..

simply put (been already mentioned) your fanboi's supreme RT pricey rich-bastards-only performance is useless and would just look like a gimmick when you put consoles into mind..its closed source, it can't be ported to another platform without paying NGREEDIA their share of rights or proprietary crap..since this game is also targeted to consoles (since there are more consoles sold over an RTX gpu that is priced even right[doubt], that is why from a game dev standpoint I would invest into making games for consoles rather than PC) I would rather spend my dollar on optimizing it for a better console "gameplay" rather on fanboi PC's..

At this rate, I might as well buy a console..PC is for E-pEen chasers nowadays..neither platforms make sense..(if moving forward to consoles would give the same "feel")
 
fanboi's would really tend to be defensive..hahahaha..

simply put (been already mentioned) your fanboi's supreme RT pricey rich-bastards-only performance is useless and would just look like a gimmick when you put consoles into mind..its closed source, it can't be ported to another platform without paying NGREEDIA their share of rights or proprietary crap..since this game is also targeted to consoles (since there are more consoles sold over an RTX gpu that is priced even right[doubt], that is why from a game dev standpoint I would invest into making games for consoles rather than PC) I would rather spend my dollar on optimizing it for a better console "gameplay" rather on fanboi PC's..

At this rate, I might as well buy a console..PC is for E-pEen chasers nowadays..neither platforms make sense..(if moving forward to consoles would give the same "feel")
On the other hand, praising AMD for half baked sh$t that don't work, is totally fine.

The gaming industry is dumpster fire at the moment, look at Activation harassment lawsuits.
Because "YOU", users didn't keep in check companies like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Micro$aft, and so on.

Being a fanboy of a company or the other, won't bring back the standards already being removed and now lost, because of the overall deep consumers ignorance!
 
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