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#61 · (Edited)
1devomer said:
On the other hand, praising AMD for half baked sh$t that don't work, is totally fine.
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I never praised or mentioned AMD..I am not an AMD fanboi (nor the other camp's), I am just your average PC Consumer..you just assumed I was defending AMD since the PS5 and Xbox share the same inards from AMD..NO..like I used the term "Console" in a very generic way nor the use of the term platform for PC would be vague and very broad in sense..
 
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There is no generic "term" for consoles.

Consoles are powered by AMD, AMD is the provider of the SOC, CPU+GPU, so AMD is the one that provide supporting information and low level function for Mircos$aft and Sony.

So you can't dissociate AMD from consoles, these go along together, from some time now.
 
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kairi_zeroblade said:
fanboi's would really tend to be defensive..hahahaha..

simply put (been already mentioned) your fanboi's supreme RT pricey rich-bastards-only performance is useless and would just look like a gimmick when you put consoles into mind..its closed source, it can't be ported to another platform without paying NGREEDIA their share of rights or proprietary crap..since this game is also targeted to consoles (since there are more consoles sold over an RTX gpu that is priced even right[doubt], that is why from a game dev standpoint I would invest into making games for consoles rather than PC) I would rather spend my dollar on optimizing it for a better console "gameplay" rather on fanboi PC's..

At this rate, I might as well buy a console..PC is for E-pEen chasers nowadays..neither platforms make sense..(if moving forward to consoles would give the same "feel")
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Saying things like "NGREEDIA" doesn't make you cool or intelligent. Just makes you come off as salty and ignorant.

As much as AMD shook up the stagnation of incremental tiny upgrades gen on gen in the CPU space by creating a clever way to combine CCX's together and create high performance multi core multi threaded processors, nVidia are shaking up the stagnation of making rasterization upgrades gen on gen, and pushing technology that benefits both developers, by making their lighting implementations much easier, streamlining their workflow, and consumers too, as we get one more step closer to 'photo realistic' graphics.
Like everything, early adopter fees are steep yes ... try googling how much a 55inch oled tv was 8 years ago vs now. Or look at the original price of 1440p 144hz monitors, they would have been considered "pricey rich-bastards-only" at the release, and 1440p 144hz is now considered a pretty affordable standard.

Also your statement about nVida taking a cut for using RTX, this is incredibly false. RTX can be toggled on and off in UE4 and UE5.

www.gamesindustry.biz

Can a solo indie developer use ray tracing in their game?

The visual fidelity of video games has increased so dramatically in the past ten years that it's becoming harder for th…
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And as this solo indie dev explains here, all you have to do is reach out to nVidia to add DLSS.

If anything using it will give your game exposure as nVidia will add it to their list of RTX ON titles.

I think you are kind of looking a bit silly right about now ....
 
#66 ·
Gandyman said:
Saying things like "NGREEDIA" doesn't make you cool or intelligent. Just makes you come off as salty and ignorant.

I think you are kind of looking a bit silly right about now ....
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Nvidia allegedly halting RTX 3000 production this October to keep prices as high as possible until 1H22

Moore's Law Is Dead is back with quite the allegation. Unnamed sources of his are claiming that Nvidia may try to halt the production of all its RTX 3000 gaming GPUs in late October in order to keep street prices as high as possible until next year, when refreshed models could make these...
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so who's greedy and silly now?? I did own Ngreedia cards at any point in time I feel buying them..its not like its a choice for me..I can buy pretty much anything if its available and if I wanted to..
 
#67 ·
Oh someone is calling all games to be the best that the technology can implement at the moment no matter which platform it is using...like someone that is only considering cars from a 200.000€ price tag because all below is just ... cheap crap, right? It is unbelievable that someone can buy a 10k€ car nowadays.....
 
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Gandyman said:
I think it's obvious that on the AMD sponsored title, there is an arbitrary 11g Vram requirement, when the consoles HD texture pack runs fine at 4k with a 8GB Vram buffer, because they were TOLD BY AMD to add that perfectly magic number.

Why do AMD fanboys think that the only corporations that can do dodgy, shady, underhanded, sneaky things is everyone else but AMD? All of these massive corporations have gotten to where they are by climbing the mountains of bodies of the people they have used and exploited, the smaller companies they have ravaged and dismantled, etc etc. But I digress...
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You lack the knowledge to think. You "feel" is a better way of putting it. Thinking requires reasoning and reasoning requires data. Data which you do not have therefore you're unable to think. You have a "gut feeling" that this is the case, that is a feeling.

You are a fanboi pointing fingers at others.

I am not salty, I am using those words to make a point. There are relatively few RTX owners as compared to Console owners. To spend more on the development of a title in order to integrate a feature available to relatively few people is not something developers like to do. Developers prefer standards and DXR is a standard, RTX is not. nVIDIA will generally partner with developers, assisting them in paying for the integration of a proprietary feature through marketing campaigns as well as software support mechanisms. AMD does the same but the difference would be that AMD has had to drop proprietary standards due to their lower market share. AMD instead emphasizes Open Standards and provides developers with software support in implementing these Open Standards. AMD's approach is more financially viable for developers and thus tends to be more attractive. Developers can target the console and PC market at the same time thus reducing development costs. The only difference between the Console and PC market largely being a matter of scaling, PC derivatives of such gaming titles are scaled up from their console variants but the code is largely left intact.

As for the amount of VRAM, this was predicted to be the case with newer titles by many major reviewers and the tech press at large at the time of the RTX 3000 series release. One of the negatives of say the RTX 3080 was mentioned to be its anemic pool of VRAM (10GB). This was prior to RDNA2's release therefore the journalists were not comparing the VRAM to RDNA2 when making this assessment.

The RTX 3080 is in a similar situation that the AMD Fiji based graphics cards (Fury, Fury-X) found themselves in when they were released. Just not enough VRAM for titles on the horizon for 4K gaming and 4K textures. Get used to seeing this more and you won't be able to chalk it up to conjectures of AMD plotting with developers to bring down nVIDIA. This is one of the reasons why Epic worked on their new nanite technology as it was long projected to be the case that VRAM pools would need to grow exponentially to keep up with market demands.
 
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#69 ·
Mahigan said:
You lack the knowledge to think. You "feel" is a better way of putting it. Thinking requires reasoning and reasoning requires data. Data which you do not have therefore you're unable to think. You have a "gut feeling" that this is the case, that is a feeling.

You are a fanboi pointing fingers at others.
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Fanboi of what exactly?

Your post is so aggressive, almost like you are offended at anyone suggesting that mega-corps are all dodgy. You don't have a single fact or argument to even rebut a single one of my points. Which makes me wonder why you even bothered to respond and waste my time if you had nothing constructive or informative to respond with.

I have been a SI for coming on 16 years at this point. I have owned and built more combinations of hardware than you can imagine. If I'm a "fanboi" of anything, its a fair deal for the consumer, because I am one, and because everyone who walks through the door of my store is one too. And when greedy corporations sponsor titles, and mandate that only THEIR proprietary tech can be in it (aka Witcher 3 with hairworks, or FarCry 6 with their quarter res awful RT implementation) then we, as consumers, are the only ones missing out.

The unfortunate truth of having a two brand only duality in PC hardware is they can pretty much do what they like and we either have to bend over and take it, or change hobbys.

And people like you getting angry at strangers on the internet in defense of AMD doesn't help. AMD have shown their true colours with 5xxx series pricing, and 6600xt pricing. They proved that they aren't out there 'going to bat for the little guy' being 'consumer friendly.' They proved that when in a dominant position they will take all the money they can - as companies do.

Which brings me exactly to my point; Mega Corps don't care about us, yet there are so many mindless drones out there spending their own free time in their own lives defending the ever loving **** out them, instead of banding together as consumers, and demanding better.
 
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Gandyman said:
Fanboi of what exactly?

Your post is so aggressive, almost like you are offended at anyone suggesting that mega-corps are all dodgy. You don't have a single fact or argument to even rebut a single one of my points. Which makes me wonder why you even bothered to respond and waste my time if you had nothing constructive or informative to respond with.

I have been a SI for coming on 16 years at this point. I have owned and built more combinations of hardware than you can imagine. If I'm a "fanboi" of anything, its a fair deal for the consumer, because I am one, and because everyone who walks through the door of my store is one too. And when greedy corporations sponsor titles, and mandate that only THEIR proprietary tech can be in it (aka Witcher 3 with hairworks, or FarCry 6 with their quarter res awful RT implementation) then we, as consumers, are the only ones missing out.

The unfortunate truth of having a two brand only duality in PC hardware is they can pretty much do what they like and we either have to bend over and take it, or change hobbys.

And people like you getting angry at strangers on the internet in defense of AMD doesn't help. AMD have shown their true colours with 5xxx series pricing, and 6600xt pricing. They proved that they aren't out there 'going to bat for the little guy' being 'consumer friendly.' They proved that when in a dominant position they will take all the money they can - as companies do.

Which brings me exactly to my point; Mega Corps don't care about us, yet there are so many mindless drones out there spending their own free time in their own lives defending the ever loving **** out them, instead of banding together as consumers, and demanding better.
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I beg to differ, if they did not care about what we want (which is measured by what sells) then they would be out of business. Mega Corps do care about us in that they care about what voting we do with our wallets. I suppose you might mean that they don't care more about your particular interests more than the interests of others (ex. Miners). That they don't place the interests of gamers above those of Miners, or any other customer requiring chips. Miners are consumers as well. Their wants and needs also matter. These Mega corps are left with the near impossible task of trying to please everyone.

As for the GPU pricing, that is dictated by several factors. One of the main ones is the injection of money derived from debt into the overall money supply (leading to inflation). Another is the fact that only a few large FABS have the tooling and know-how necessary to fabricate wafers of chips meeting an increasingly larger demand for higher performance and higher power efficiency fabrication nodes.

People are also working from home, requiring laptops, web cams, desktops, monitors, etc, etc, to a far greater extent than they did when they worked from the office. For the most part, this has meant TSMC with some chips coming from Samsung. These fabs are working at capacity, trying to meet the demand for chips in just about everything we use. This has led to car dealerships having empty lots. Dealerships buying out used cards in order to scavenge the chips. A rise in price of used cars and new cars as a result. It's not just graphics cards and gamers that are affected.

The pandemic largely caused this, as well as the response from Governments, not Mega Corps not caring about us.

EDIT: Climate Change legislation is not without a cost. It too is largely responsible for the increased demand for the highest performance nodes. Legislation like that of California vis a vis power supply requirements for OEM systems means more chips, better chips. It's one thing to chant slogans while holding a placard demanding more action on the climate, it's another entirely to pay the cost that goes along with it.

Welcome to the Brave New World. Welcome to the Great Reset.
 
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Mahigan said:
I beg to differ, if they did not care about what we want (which is measured by what sells) then they would be out of business. Mega Corps do care about us in that they care about what voting we do with our wallets. I suppose you might mean that they don't care more about your particular interests more than the interests of others (ex. Miners). That they don't place the interests of gamers above those of Miners, or any other customer requiring chips. Miners are consumers as well. Their wants and needs also matter. These Mega corps are left with the near impossible task of trying to please everyone.

As for the GPU pricing, that is dictated by several factors. One of the main ones is the injection of money derived from debt into the overall money supply (leading to inflation). Another is the fact that only a few large FABS have the tooling and know-how necessary to fabricate wafers of chips meeting an increasingly larger demand for higher performance and higher power efficiency fabrication nodes.

People are also working from home, requiring laptops, web cams, desktops, monitors, etc, etc, to a far greater extent than they did when they worked from the office. For the most part, this has meant TSMC with some chips coming from Samsung. These fabs are working at capacity, trying to meet the demand for chips in just about everything we use. This has led to car dealerships having empty lots. Dealerships buying out used cards in order to scavenge the chips. A rise in price of used cars and new cars as a result. It's not just graphics cards and gamers that are affected.

The pandemic largely caused this, as well as the response from Governments, not Mega Corps not caring about us.

EDIT: Climate Change legislation is not without a cost. It too is largely responsible for the increased demand for the highest performance nodes. Legislation like that of California vis a vis power supply requirements for OEM systems means more chips, better chips. It's one thing to chant slogans while holding a placard demanding more action on the climate, it's another entirely to pay the cost that goes along with it.

Welcome to the Brave New World. Welcome to the Great Reset.
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Welcome to what, Great Reset, you're kidding?
Please don't generalize your vision of the world, not everyone share this childish take on things.
Things are broken in this world, from some time now, trying to make a profit, out of other difficulties, is literally the definition of our current economic system!

Vote with your wallet, is an oversimplification, because you purposely left aside the overall customer knowledge, customer like teens and children.
And MegaCorps indeed, are working tirelessly to keep the overall customer knowledge very low, because it makes it easier to make profit.
The fact that Influencers are such a thing nowadays, is already enough of a proof, to invalidate your whole post!

MegaCorps literary don't care, if you would be alive or dead, for what it matters.
So there is no New World, there is no Great Reset, present times are only the continuation of the actions, choices people already made in the past.
And it doesn't look good, but it is inline with what the human history teach us, until now.
 
#72 ·
So.... Far Cry 6...

For those who have completed the story, does the "endgame" thing remind you of Division 2? I really hated the rotating mission reactivation part of Division 2, now they added it to Far Cry. Not a fan.

Sorry for interrupting the discussion.Y'all seem very close to solving the worlds problems and here I am talking about video games.
 
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bigjdubb said:
So.... Far Cry 6...

For those who have completed the story, does the "endgame" thing remind you of Division 2? I really hated the rotating mission reactivation part of Division 2, now they added it to Far Cry. Not a fan.

Sorry for interrupting the discussion.Y'all seem very close to solving the worlds problems and here I am talking about video games.
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I ended the game once I...
destroyed the blockade and got to their main isle (beginning of story). I either accept the next mission or get on a boat and ride away. It will cut scene with your character on a beach in Miami listening to a radio how Costello killed the rebels. With your character basking in the sun on a beach chair.

Best Ending ever, no effort...

But yeah it's up there with Valhalla were it actually ends with
Evior finally makes jarl and they sign that song...cut scene.
But the game still continues by exiting out of the atimus. Thus allowing you to go back into the atimus as Loki. There is more involved then this but ultimately that's what happens. And to be honest was a complete waste of time to get to that point. Killing the female character you originally played as. But once you go back into the atimus as Loki you do a lot of busy work and trivial mission fill-ins.

To me Valhalla had a worst way to end the game.
 
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I hate the game endings that are unstoppable cinematic cutscenes of your pc choosing to end their life for an honorable cause that is based on a misunderstanding, and their "honorable" actions just make things worse, then credits.

I've played 2 of those. One only had this ending, one had it as the good ending. I was helplessly shouting at the cutscene with the second one.
 
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#76 ·
Kaltenbrunner said:
How does anyone play these games these days ? I have bunch of games I bought on sale, but even a 2070 is too slow for 1440p and a fast monitor.

Most people can't afford the GPU power to play these games
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Turn the settings down?

EastCoast said:
I ended the game once I...
destroyed the blockade and got to their main isle (beginning of story). I either accept the next mission or get on a boat and ride away. It will cut scene with your character on a beach in Miami listening to a radio how Costello killed the rebels. With your character basking in the sun on a beach chair.

Best Ending ever, no effort...

But yeah it's up there with Valhalla were it actually ends with
Evior finally makes jarl and they sign that song...cut scene.
But the game still continues by exiting out of the atimus. Thus allowing you to go back into the atimus as Loki. There is more involved then this but ultimately that's what happens. And to be honest was a complete waste of time to get to that point. Killing the female character you originally played as. But once you go back into the atimus as Loki you do a lot of busy work and trivial mission fill-ins.

To me Valhalla had a worst way to end the game.
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I did the reasonable ending first, I thought something amusing was going to happen, turned out to be fairly realistic.
 
#77 ·
My FC6 died after installing the 1.04 patch. Any solutions?
 
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