5800x, random reboot and WHEA error 18

Insidious Supra · Oct 25, 2021

Try removing one channel of ram (two sticks) Most boards really only run 2 sticks of dual rank ram well. (daisychain topology) my board is t-topology and does pretty well with 4 sticks

Try to get that vsoc up as well

Lgn · Oct 25, 2021

Insidious Supra said:
Try removing one channel of ram (two sticks) Most boards really only run 2 sticks of dual rank ram well. (daisychain topology) my board is t-topology and does pretty well with 4 sticks

Try to get that vsoc up as well

I just ordered a new processor, it should be here tomorrow. I really hope that's the problem otherwise i don't know what to do.
The system worked perfectly for 2 months with 4 sticks. How is that possible?

Insidious Supra · Oct 25, 2021

Lgn said:
I just ordered a new processor, it should be here tomorrow. I really hope that's the problem otherwise i don't know what to do.
The system worked perfectly for 2 months with 4 sticks. How is that possible?

Huh, that is super odd. Didn't update the bios or anything? Possible one of your parameter was slightly out of desired range.. Ram issues cna cause corrupt OS files that will cause issues like this. Been there, done that. Even on default settings

Lgn · Oct 25, 2021

Insidious Supra said:
Huh, that is super odd. Didn't update the bios or anything? Possible one of your parameter was slightly out of desired range.. Ram issues cna cause corrupt OS files that will cause issues like this. Been there, done that. Even on default settings

Yes I didn't touch anything at all. It just started doing it randomly. Tomorrow I'll format and install the new CPU, hopefully that will fix it. I hate this stuff so much...

Melan · Oct 25, 2021

I've seen that sometimes the motherboard tends to set some really weird values when everything is left on auto. At least in Ryzen Master, it used to report nonsensical VDDP and VDDG voltages. They also seem to change on boot but not every time.

Insidious Supra · Oct 25, 2021

Yeah, I've also noticed my bios do some weird stuff if I make adjustments in the wrong section. Like altering settings. Resulting in me having to clear cmos to fix.
Why multiple sections exist with the same adjustments is beyond me...

Oh and ryzen master is a big no go for me, IDK why but it really screws up my bios.

Definitely was a minefield when I got my 5800x. But with it dialed in, mine has been super impressive performance-wise

Asmodian · Oct 25, 2021

Insidious Supra said:
Yeah, I've also noticed my bios do some weird stuff if I make adjustments in the wrong section. Like altering settings. Resulting in me having to clear cmos to fix.

Yes, me too. Once I had to use BIOS flashback to get the issue to clear. The in-BIOS flashing tool off the same USB drive would flash, but apparently doesn't clear out everything the way BIOS flashback does.

Insidious Supra said:
Why multiple sections exist with the same adjustments is beyond me...

AMD puts some menus in but then the OEMs like to add their own menus.

Insidious Supra said:
Oh and ryzen master is a big no go for me, IDK why but it really screws up my bios.

This! BIOS flashback and never install it again!

Insidious Supra said:
Definitely was a minefield when I got my 5800x. But with it dialed in, mine has been super impressive performance-wise

It took a lot of tweaking to get my 3950X stable, but my 5950X has been great (minus that BIOS corruption(?) requiring flashback).

Lgn · Oct 26, 2021

I've just changed my cpu, resetted the cmos, fresh windows install.
Now I'm using everything at default bios settings without xmp and see what happens.

Also, is it normal that i still have all my oc profiles saved on the bios even after clearing the cmos? Are those saved somewhere else?

PLEASE PC GOD DON'T **** ME!

Sarm1X · Oct 27, 2021

Hey dude, I shared some interesting same results in the thread I quote below, I highly suggest you go there and read all the discussion there, full of juicy and good information.

Sarm1X said:
@mongoled Just landed upon your thread and as I see It's still active, I want to share some interesting results with my 5800x and would gladly get some help

I've been testing my curves for about a month now with all tasks including stress, idle and gaming and have been recently struggling with unexpected instabilities.
What I mean by that is I get inconsistent results, for instance, all my settings till now (3 days at most) ran perfectly fine after an intensive Corecycler tests, including all FFT's per core with no errors at all.
But just a quick game session of AC Valhalla leads to a crash (WHEA) mostly on my "problematic" core (core 6) which has no negative offset at all which got me thinking if my CPU is defective., I saw you have some positive offset on some cores, so i changed to +2 on core 6, will update if it fixes the instability issue with this specific core.

Guide to fully optimize your PBO

Hope this helps you.

Lgn · Oct 27, 2021

Sarm1X said:
Hey dude, I shared some interesting same results in the thread I quote below, I highly suggest you go there and read all the discussion there, full of juicy and good information.

Guide to fully optimize your PBO

Hope this helps you.

I'll check it out for sure, thanks!
Right now I'm using my new CPU and so far I didn't have a single problem.
I feel like when your old cpu run for 2 months+ without any problems and suddenly you can't even run at default, well, there's something really really strange about it.
I'd really love to test that CPU on another system and see the results.

I'll keep testing the new 5800x in the following days and I'll update this thread.

Insidious Supra · Oct 27, 2021

I personally found better gains under-volting and also limiting power flow or consumption (I see about 55watts max). Yes my frequency doesn't go as high as with PBO (200mhz), but actual performance in tasks utilizing 30-%50 cpu usage fair better. Because I'm not overshooting in voltage or current, my cpu stays cooler, my cores stay in boost at higher frequency for longer. PBO off

Downside to my settings... Up toward %70 cpu usage, performance drops off. Not a lot, but some. At %100 load, I see ~%6 performance loss

no wheas, though, lol

Lgn · Oct 28, 2021

Another day without any problem or reboot (why do i have to jinx myself like this

). I'm not doing anything particular benchmark wise, just some cinebench here and there. All the rest are normal tasks and photoshop (i use it for work). Once i'll be sure it's stable i'll try some more heavy tasks and see how it will go.

The old cpu rebooted even doing the most basic stuff, like watching youtube or twitch. At this point i feel like i had some kind of defective sample becasue there's no other explanation. Only time will tell...
The new cpu is a bit more hot, around 79 with cinebench r20 compared the 75-76 of the previous one. Still pretty "normal" i guess.

More updates coming in the next days.

Melan · Oct 28, 2021

Maybe you really had a defective cpu then. Better contact AMD for the refund/replacement.

Insidious Supra · Oct 28, 2021

Yep, it's definitely possible. Good to hear it's going well. Also notable that there's hardly anything gained by tweaking or overclocking. Best thing to gain woukd be stability. Though, I do like tweaking for lower Temps/power consumption.

Lgn · Oct 29, 2021

Melan said:
Maybe you really had a defective cpu then. Better contact AMD for the refund/replacement.

I bought the cpu on Amazon, so i can send it back and apparently they will give me the money back without any problem. Aaaaaaaand that's why Jeff is a milionaire

Insidious Supra said:
Yep, it's definitely possible. Good to hear it's going well. Also notable that there's hardly anything gained by tweaking or overclocking. Best thing to gain woukd be stability. Though, I do like tweaking for lower Temps/power consumption.

Yes i started used pbo on my old cpu only to lower the temps while still having some default like clock speed. I guess this time i'll leave everything at def with only XMP turned on. Seriously, **** all this trouble for -5 degrees.

Lgn · Nov 1, 2021

Almost a week with the new CPU and didn't encounter a single reboot or problem.
Today I'll turn on XMP to see if that could be a problem. I really hope it's gonna! As I said my old cpu rebooted even without xmp so I'm pretty confident.

Wish me luck guys

Lgn · Nov 2, 2021

XMP on since the other day. Everything seems normal. No errors or reboot.
The probabilty of a faulty CPU are higher and higher each day I'm testing the new one.

Insidious Supra · Nov 2, 2021

I've never not had problems with xmp, lol. Impressive

Lgn · Nov 2, 2021

Insidious Supra said:
I've never not had problems with xmp, lol. Impressive

Me neither, xmp wasn't the problem at all. It was a ****ty CPU

But I'm testing everything with the new one just to be sure.

iraff1 · Nov 5, 2021

Lgn said:
Nevermind, instant reboot on Cinebench r20 with those settings... Yesterday it was fine, today istant reboot. W T F is going on.

I also noticed that since the day my pc is doing crazy reboot i've also another event viewer error: ID 28

Error setting traits on Provider {8444a4fb-d8d3-4f38-84f8-89960a1ef12f}. Error: 0xC0000001
Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-EventTracing/Admin

I can't find out what is it.

Had the same experience, at first i though my stuff was stable and then eventually it rebooted.
The problem for me was all my stability testing was done under load, meaning i tested if the cpu was stable under different workload conditions, and it was.

The problem is modern cpus like the ryzen 5 only boosts to extreme highs when the cpu is more or less in a idle state, so whenever you leave your computer idle is when your cpu maximizes the boosts for single thread workloads like a background service that wants to do something.

This type of load i never tested, meaning my cpu wasn't stable to boost in these kinds of low workload scenarios. I had to rethink my overclock and redo it, more voltages could help but sometimes you just got to loosen your curve optimizer a little bit.

You can figure out which core is crashing (generating whea) by using the corecycler on each core.

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