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Discussion starter · #61 · (Edited)
This is why I was hoping to see a PCIE5.0 M.2 slot in the normal locations to the left of the PCH. I don't want to clog up the space around my 2 DIMMs that are already smashed up on each other in a 2 DIMM board.

I think the Extreme will handle it better due to the 4 DIMM slots so more spacing when running 2 DIMMs.
ppl already complaining price
Dimm.2 on PCH is essential.
Easy to change or add m.2's or swap OS for memory corruption overclocking without taking the half the board apart to remove the heatsink shield.
yeah bro especially with current gpu thickness and length.
 
ppl alreasy complaining price

yeah bro especially with current gpu thickness and length.
I noticed the m.2 cooler height increased. I wonder if it will cause issues with all those active watercooled backplates being used now.
 
per me le dovrebbero aumentare un altro po quelle schede, tanto ce ne di gente suneda che le compra
 
we are in this forum and thread because there's ACTUAL fae support. even their inhouse overclocker will come here to test their findings. by that reasoning its crazy to consider giga/msi/evga
Clearly I have never said anything within my prior statement, concerning other manufacturers. YOU made that unfortunate assumption here.

Simply love Asus BIOS above all others, who seem quite awful and confusing to use. Because Asus had conquered the BIOS realm, doesn't make them the superior manufacturer here. They simply provide far greater depth of motherboards, within any Chipset category.

Although Asrock do produce some obtuse motherboards but of course they detached themselves from Asus some years ago, but still they remain in my eyes a viable alternative compared to the awful Gigabyte junk-ware (which I had previously owned).

Personal assessments by owning some products helps to categorise to me which manufacturer resides within the reliability category, especially with this new Z690 chipset. Looking forward towards finding out about that, myself.
 
The 6 pin 12v on the Maximus boards. What cable would this be? I have a Corsair ax1600i. The manual for the new boards states the 6 pin 12v is needed for 60 watts over the Pcie 5 slot for graphics card. But if not used only 27 watts supplied. That seems odd?
 
Does the Apex still not have a backplate? It’s not on the spec sheet.

People talk up the bios on Asus boards. The Maximus boards I’ve owned (Formula 9, Apex 13) just give you all the options and say “have at it. Good luck.” Cstkl1 puts in the time and work to figure out all the optimal settings and this is extremely valuable to the community. But does Asus really deserve the credit for his hard work? I’m more impressed when the engineers who work for the motherboard companies figure out the bios and don’t rely on the power users.
 
Another thing. When I got 4000c14 stable on the Asrock Z590, all I did was apply Cstkl1 timings. No need to adjust training algo like you need to on an Asus board. It just works. Set multipler, voltages, and memory speed and timings. That’s it. On a bios from May 2021. On a board with backplate dual lan, oled, bclk physical buttons, dual bios switch etc.
 
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Does the Apex still not have a backplate? It’s not on the spec sheet.

People talk up the bios on Asus boards. The Maximus boards I’ve owned (Formula 9, Apex 13) just give you all the options and say “have at it. Good luck.” Cstkl1 puts in the time and work to figure out all the optimal settings and this is extremely valuable to the community. But does Asus really deserve the credit for his hard work? I’m more impressed when the engineers who work for the motherboard companies figure out the bios and don’t rely on the power users.
dude. this is so wrong that its offensive .
please dont undervalue @shamino1978 , @safedisk and the whole rog team.

its easier to test to find a fault compare to fixing it. and its much more complicated
to think of out the box to increase performance with no cost. the FAE from asus team work tirelessly due their own passion for tech. what you see one user like me do is just a drop in the ocean of tireless work.

this has nothing to do with pricing of products etc. that has many logistical, costing based on per country based on that countries sales platform.

many brands sell extra features to entice users because its all marketing when they cant compete in actual usage. asus .. those options are given so user can exceed limitations.
 
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Another thing. When I got 4000c14 stable on the Asrock Z590, all I did was apply Cstkl1 timings. No need to adjust training algo like you need to on an Asus board. It just works. Set multipler, voltages, and memory speed and timings. That’s it. On a bios from May 2021. On a board with backplate dual lan, oled, bclk physical buttons, dual bios switch etc.
ocf board, support eol come 4th nov. no value in two weeks
 
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all these aib to sell their products to compete with a very popular brand have to do this features that nobody needs. overengineering, etc all to stay relevant. asrock forray to consumer level is on a whim, they are oem manufacturer. tomorrow they can just close shop.

anyway i think this is enough of asus hate posting in an asus thread thats suppose to be for helping end users.

@ENTERPRISE
 
all these aib to sell their products to compete with a very popular brand have to do this features that nobody needs. overengineering, etc all to stay relevant. asrock forray to consumer level is on a whim, they are oem manufacturer. tomorrow they can just close shop.

anyway i think this is enough of asus hate posting in an asus thread thats suppose to be for helping end users.

@ENTERPRISE
I don't think anyone has put any "hate" here. Infact from what I can see people are praising Asus strong points. And with any discussion about a brand, price is always a good and valid discussion point, and is incredibly relevant to a pre-launch discussion to help people decide whether paying the extra price is worth it for them.

While I realize you are emotionally invested into Asus, other brands also make nice hardware, and acting like they don't is just silly. I think all of us here are aware of how good Asus is. Their reputation defiantly precedes them.

Run and cry to a Admin if you like, but this discussion here is on topic, and fair.
 
That PCIE Unlock button is 15 years overdue. Still have nightmares from breaking those flimsy latches on I forgot, either a sandy bridge board or a core 2 extreme board...
I have twisted wire pull-strings (usually running to one of the tray/case grommets) rigged to all of my latches so I can disengage them without having to stab at them with screwdriver and risk breaking the latch or scratching the board.

It's nice to see an integrated solution, even if my piece of wire is probably a lot less expensive.

It's a cool feature, but I can't fathom the point of it. If you are one of those people who actually can make use of, and tweak your VRM settings to accomodate the measurements, chances are you already have a proper 'scope.
It's an ease of use thing...not having to properly attach external probes makes things much simpler and even allows one to do so in a fully assembled closed-case system.

I wish ASUS would get rid of the Dimm.2 slot. Damn thing hot in the way of mounting my GPU vertical, looks like it’ll do the same this gen. 😩
Physically, this was the most annoying feature of my Crosshair VIII Impact. Always felt like I was going to bump it and beak it off, and the mass of the SSD heatsinks on it really reduced the practical portability of the SFF system it was in.

Much less of an issue on a full-sized board though.
 
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I don't think anyone has put any "hate" here. Infact from what I can see people are praising Asus strong points. And with any discussion about a brand, price is always a good and valid discussion point, and is incredibly relevant to a pre-launch discussion to help people decide whether paying the extra price is worth it for them.

While I realize you are emotionally invested into Asus, other brands also make nice hardware, and acting like they don't is just silly. I think all of us here are aware of how good Asus is. Their reputation defiantly precedes them.

Run and cry to a Admin if you like, but this discussion here is on topic, and fair.
I feel this thread is intended to be more of an "Owners Thread", in which case the discussion of price or value of the product is not on topic. Since cstkl is the OP, I think it's his decision on whether the discussion is off-topic or not for the thread.

I voiced my concerns/issues with the pricing (and I do think they're fair arguments) but I don't think that's what this thread is for. This thread is for owners and those who are seeking info on the ASUS boards.
 
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I feel this thread is intended to be more of an "Owners Thread", in which case the discussion of price or value of the product is not on topic. Since cstkl is the OP, I think it's his decision on whether the discussion is off-topic or not for the thread.

I voiced my concerns/issues with the pricing (and I do think they're fair arguments) but I don't think that's what this thread is for. This thread is for owners and those who are seeking info on the ASUS boards.
added "owners". theres other threads in my opinion to voice out .
 
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