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For listening to two channel music on headphones and sometimes hooked up to the sound system (80/20 split, the stereo is a Denon x3700h, speakers Monitor Audio Silver 6 AV12 sans Subwoofer with dual Kef Kube subs, model 10b)

Reason I'm looking at older cards is because I'm almost sure the motherboard it's going into only lets you use one of the x1 slots before the onboard USB 3.0 controllers (two x 2 port units) and eSATA get cut off. Since I broke the USB WiFi card I was going to use, I'm getting one of the new Intel WiFi 6E cards rigged up to an x1 card.

PC is a z68 with 2500K

I've read some reviews and it's said by some reviewers that the X-Fi is the "best to date" (it's newer than the Audigy 2 line). But some reviewers don't know what they're saying sometimes, especially with audio products. They both measure about the same with a THD+n of around 0.004%. Since it's not being used as a pre-amp, it's more than adequate for all but the best recorded highest quality 24 bit recordings.

So! Does anyone have experience with both cards? Have you compared them using good headphones + critical listening (you deliberately compared them)? If so, if you were choosing between the two, which would you pick and why? What does the lesser card seem to lack? Obviously neither card is perfect, but objectively, both of these cards are pretty good. If you had to criticize the better card, what would you say?

Since the X-Fi line immediately followed the Audigy 2 line, maybe not a lot of people had both. If you only had/have one, I'd still like your input on sound quality and general operation. If you're still using yours, does it work well with Windows 10? If you had one and you stopped using it because it broke, how many years had you had it?

Audigy 2 ZS is the SB0350, the X-Fi is the SB0460.


Edit: I, Mr. Impatient, ordered the X-Fi from thee biggest online bay for swapping. It's supposed to arrive around July 12. I still want answers from people though. Because if things sway the way I think they're unlikely to, I'll still want to do something about it. For example: sell it and buy an Audigy 2. Or try to trade with someone who wants an Audigy 2 because it's similar sound quality and has some features they need that their X-Fi doesn't have. Also, I value opinions from people in this group more than randoms on the internet because overclockers are intelligent and like precision operation :)
 
I dont think the audigy 2 line has windows 10 drivers. I could ve totally wrong but I moved from an audigy 2 ZS to the sound blaster Z because creative didn't put out new drivers for the older card.
 
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I dont think the audigy 2 line has windows 10 drivers. I could ve totally wrong but I moved from an audigy 2 ZS to the sound blaster Z because creative didn't put out new drivers for the older card.
It doesn't. It didn't even have Vista drivers IIRC, although some enterprising individual may have pieced some together at some point.
 
It doesn't. It didn't even have Vista drivers IIRC, although some enterprising individual may have pieced some together at some point.
They did eventually release windows vista/7 drivers but as I recall they totally sucked conpared the xp drivers. Sounds quality was much worse and it was immediately obvious.

There are some custom drivers out there that fixed those issues but they were a pain to find bsck then. Probably a lot harder now.
 
What are you guys talking about? It's pretty well known that Daniel K drivers for older Creative cards work really well: Daniel_K's Official Blog (danielkawakami.blogspot.com
There's a driver for Audigy cards as well as X-Fi cards. The drivers work for: Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8 / 8.1 / 10 / 11 (32 / 64-bit)

As to which sound card is better, the X-Fi. How do I know? I have them all.... as in all Creative ISA, PCI, and PCIe cards ever made. The X-Fi comes with better DACs than the Audigy 2 ZS. The X-Fi also properly handles 24-bit sound. The Audigy lineup works in 16-bit internally, audio transport (DMA engine) was fixed to 16-bit sample precision at 48 kHz internally, so even if you set it to 24-bit you're still basically getting 16-bit but up mixed.

You picked the right card.
 
I had a Creative X-FI Titanium HD (flagship card with CA20K2 chip) upgraded with Burson opamp v5 and Xonar Essence STX II upgraded with Burson v5i.

I used IEMs at the time (UE TripleFi 10, JVC FX850 and Pinnacle P1)

I then got a Fiio E17 USB DAC/AMP.

I could hear noise from the PCIe sound card on my IEMs, but the USB sound card is totally clean.

a PCIe sound card will have a much harder time having a clean sound with all the interference inside a system unit.

One thing that is noticeably superior about X-FI is sound positioning. I play a lot of CS Source at the time and I could tell precisely where the direction of the footsteps is coming from.

EAX games that support it have a big difference in sound quality.

Nowadays you should get a USB DAC/AMP instead.
You can get a Creative Sound Blaster X3 or Creative Sound BlasterX G6.

I have tried the Creative Sound Blaster X3 and compared it with my audio setup (SMSL M300 MKII DAC + Archel2 GMR).
The X3 is very good for low impedance devices.

If you want to power high impedance headphones, Schiit Stack or Topping DX3 Pro+ is very good.
 
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What are you guys talking about? It's pretty well known that Daniel K drivers for older Creative cards work really well: Daniel_K's Official Blog (danielkawakami.blogspot.com
There's a driver for Audigy cards as well as X-Fi cards. The drivers work for: Windows XP / Vista / 7 / 8 / 8.1 / 10 / 11 (32 / 64-bit)

As to which sound card is better, the X-Fi. How do I know? I have them all.... as in all Creative ISA, PCI, and PCIe cards ever made. The X-Fi comes with better DACs than the Audigy 2 ZS. The X-Fi also properly handles 24-bit sound. The Audigy lineup works in 16-bit internally, audio transport (DMA engine) was fixed to 16-bit sample precision at 48 kHz internally, so even if you set it to 24-bit you're still basically getting 16-bit but up mixed.

You picked the right card.
You've had a lot of cards! I've had an AWE64 Gold until I got rid of my PIII 800 machine, then onboard from an Asus P4S333 for a bit, til I got the best motherboard in the world (GA-SINXP1394) and an Audigy 2. I wanted the ZS but was young and my dad picked the (wrong) card up for me from out of town, so the 2 it was. I wanted the extra 2dB SNR/THD performance of the ZS because I planned to use it as a preamp to a Pioneer SX-950 stereo receiver (a vintage 50 pound 450 watt monster of an amp that was way under rated for 85 watts per channel).

The drivers that I used for it when I eventually upgraded to a 2500K + Windows 7 were custom, made by one or a few people.They worked with all Audigy 2 related cards with the 10k chipset (or whatever).(I used laptops 2006-2011 edit: oh yeahh!!! I had two more cards! An Audigy 2 ZS Notebook to go in my Latitude D830, and X-Fi Notebook for my Latitude 6520. The ZS was better, but it was PCMCIA - though my D830 had both PCMCIA and ExpressCard my 6520, did not) I never got the supposedly amazing routing to work amazingly - I got 2 output channels working right with foobar2000 and wasapi, and I could record guitar with line in. ASIO worked with it. Why can't I remember what it's called
 
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I had a Creative X-FI Titanium HD (flagship card with CA20K2 chip) upgraded with Burson opamp v5 and Xonar Essence STX II upgraded with Burson v5i.

I used IEMs at the time (UE TripleFi 10, JVC FX850 and Pinnacle P1)

I then got a Fiio E17 USB DAC/AMP.

I could hear noise from the PCIe sound card on my IEMs, but the USB sound card is totally clean.

a PCIe sound card will have a much harder time having a clean sound with all the interference inside a system unit.

One thing that is noticeably superior about X-FI is sound positioning. I play a lot of CS Source at the time and I could tell precisely where the direction of the footsteps is coming from.

EAX games that support it have a big difference in sound quality.

Nowadays you should get a USB DAC/AMP instead.
You can get a Creative Sound Blaster X3 or Creative Sound BlasterX G6.

I have tried the Creative Sound Blaster X3 and compared it with my audio setup (SMSL M300 MKII DAC + Archel2 GMR).
The X3 is very good for low impedance devices.

If you want to power high impedance headphones, Schiit Stack or Topping DX3 Pro+ is very good.
I want it contained in the system though. Well, not me, but people who like a lack of clutter. My parents - specifically my dad lol.

I've never been unable to fix whining issues with grounding tricks before, so I'm not worried about that.

Good to know about positioning, for my PC with 3080 I'm in the market for a sound card designed to work with games, not my interface (RME BabyFace Pro)
 
I want it contained in the system though. Well, not me, but people who like a lack of clutter. My parents - specifically my dad lol.

I've never been unable to fix whining issues with grounding tricks before, so I'm not worried about that.

Good to know about positioning, for my PC with 3080 I'm in the market for a sound card designed to work with games, not my interface (RME BabyFace Pro)
The older PCIe sound cards is not very good.

As an example, the Asus Xonar Essence STX II which is Asus Flagship PCIe sound card at the time measured bad, especially considering how much it costs.

It looks like the newer PCIe sound card from Creative is good. The Creative SoundBlasterX AE-5 measured decently.

You can get it under $100 on Amazon.
 
They did eventually release windows vista/7 drivers but as I recall they totally sucked conpared the xp drivers. Sounds quality was much worse and it was immediately obvious.

There are some custom drivers out there that fixed those issues but they were a pain to find bsck then. Probably a lot harder now.
I'm using drivers from Creative that uses the same hardware from one of their PCI-e cards on the Audigy 2 ZS with a z77 board. On Windows 10 21H2. Dated 2018 and to be honest, I couldn't hear a great difference between that and the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude. Now those drivers are dead on Windows 10. The drivers failed with Windows 10 1903 I think it was. January 2018? You had to disable driver security to use the card. This was hooked up to a SMSL amp and AKG K702.

Such a shame about the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude. Its drivers is dated 2011.
 
For listening to two channel music on headphones and sometimes hooked up to the sound system (80/20 split, the stereo is a Denon x3700h, speakers Monitor Audio Silver 6 AV12 sans Subwoofer with dual Kef Kube subs, model 10b)

Reason I'm looking at older cards is because I'm almost sure the motherboard it's going into only lets you use one of the x1 slots before the onboard USB 3.0 controllers (two x 2 port units) and eSATA get cut off. Since I broke the USB WiFi card I was going to use, I'm getting one of the new Intel WiFi 6E cards rigged up to an x1 card.

PC is a z68 with 2500K

I've read some reviews and it's said by some reviewers that the X-Fi is the "best to date" (it's newer than the Audigy 2 line). But some reviewers don't know what they're saying sometimes, especially with audio products. They both measure about the same with a THD+n of around 0.004%. Since it's not being used as a pre-amp, it's more than adequate for all but the best recorded highest quality 24 bit recordings.

So! Does anyone have experience with both cards? Have you compared them using good headphones + critical listening (you deliberately compared them)? If so, if you were choosing between the two, which would you pick and why? What does the lesser card seem to lack? Obviously neither card is perfect, but objectively, both of these cards are pretty good. If you had to criticize the better card, what would you say?

Since the X-Fi line immediately followed the Audigy 2 line, maybe not a lot of people had both. If you only had/have one, I'd still like your input on sound quality and general operation. If you're still using yours, does it work well with Windows 10? If you had one and you stopped using it because it broke, how many years had you had it?

Audigy 2 ZS is the SB0350, the X-Fi is the SB0460.


Edit: I, Mr. Impatient, ordered the X-Fi from thee biggest online bay for swapping. It's supposed to arrive around July 12. I still want answers from people though. Because if things sway the way I think they're unlikely to, I'll still want to do something about it. For example: sell it and buy an Audigy 2. Or try to trade with someone who wants an Audigy 2 because it's similar sound quality and has some features they need that their X-Fi doesn't have. Also, I value opinions from people in this group more than randoms on the internet because overclockers are intelligent and like precision operation :)
I have a used / working Creative Sound Blaster Z SE card if you want. Msg me and I send if you pay shipping. I took it out when my 3090 was causing feedback in the card from the coil wine. Personally I recommend the Creative X3 or X4 USB external DAC/Amp. I have the X3 which I decided to go with because it uses the same software as the Creative Sound Blaster Z SE card which I really like.
 
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I have a used / working Creative Sound Blaster Z SE card if you want. Msg me and I send if you pay shipping. I took it out when my 3090 was causing feedback in the card from the coil wine. Personally I recommend the Creative X3 or X4 USB external DAC/Amp. I have the X3 which I decided to go with because it uses the same software as the Creative Sound Blaster Z SE card which I really like.
I sent you a message
 
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Now that I've listened to the X-Fi, I think it sounds better than the Audigy 2 I had - it was the right choice. I've only listened for about 10 minutes so far (and it has been a while since I've heard my now out-of-commission Audigy 2), but I'd say the X-Fi has more detail and sounds fuller in the mid/lower midrange. Also, I think the X-Fi is more powerful, though I can't say exactly how much more, because when I had my Audigy 2 I was using AKG K240.

I think it'd be reasonable to say that a used X-Fi ($30) + PCIe to PCI adapter (~$20) couldn't be beat for the price. That's a recommendation - unless there're bad compatibility issues when using PCIe to PCI adapters that I'm not aware of, lol
 
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Don't forget Creative's buggy drivers. They do have a reputation.
I agree, they were bad 20 years ago. And they weren't exactly quick to fix things (or 3rd party drivers would never have been a thing! It's pathetic it came to that). Anyway...

Creative now seem to be doing a much better job. Somewhat recently I bought one of their lower tiered products, about 3 years ago now. I needed a stereo sound card for HTPC. I got the Sound Blaster G3 (a USB-C sound card that works over USB when plugged into the USB-C port of phones, game consoles, or PCs, and can also be powered by USB-C then fed an optical connection.

The thing is absolutely tiny, light, sturdy, and powerful (electrically - especially for a battery-less USB powered device). When it's worked hard - even driving low impedance cans - its output never distorts. I tested it using my Shure SRH 1440 which are 37 ohms. Most headphones that are called low impedance by reviewers are in the range of mid 30s to high 50s. Not a lot of portable sound devices can put out as much distortion free power, especially for the price!

The rule for making a listening system is to get yourself a good amp [source], and get yourself a GREAT pair of speakers [headphones]. This is the "good" amp for headphones that are in the $80-150 range. And it only cost $40! And it has an optical in! And does a bunch of other SoundBlaster like things. Obviously some $100 headphones sound better than $500 headphones, so as always, be careful and listen before you buy :)


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Sound Blaster G3
 
Don't forget Creative's buggy drivers. They do have a reputation.
I do often wonder though if the issue was with Creative or with VIA. Most of the issues I remember where when a Creative Sound Card was paired with a Motherboard which used a VIA Chipset. This issue didn't exist with Chipsets from Intel, SiS, Ali, AMD, nVIDIA, etc.
 
I still had pops and crackles which were rare even on NVIDIA nForce 2 and an AMD CrossFire motherboard. Which were both Asus. Lots of people even complained about it even on nForce 4 boards. It certainly didn't seem to exist with the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude and the Audigy 2 ZS seems to be flawless on the Asrock Z77 Extreme 6 board. I don't ever recall hearing a pops or crackles there.
 
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