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#22 · (Edited)
shilka said:
Nothing with any load results came up at my end with a goggle search
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Yes unfortunately, Hwbusters is quite a new site, it's got some bugs and/or Google isn't listing it properly. And the way Cybenetics is organized also probably doesn't show up on a search (haven't tried in a while).

Aris is so slammed with the amount of stuff + he's setting up a new lab in Cyprus atm, so everything other than Cybenetics is delayed quite a bit (techpowerup/tomshardware/his youtube).

He's additionally slammed for time, because he's trying to set up ATX 3.0, PCIE_5 PSU testing, as Intel is so late, they haven't started testing/certifying either yet, and time is slowly running out for launch.

Linus Tech Tips also, is late for setting up his $130,000+ chroma testing rack (and btw has indirectly hinted Seasonic is helping them behind the scenes in some capacity to get stuff going), so 3rd party/independent ATX 3.0 certification is very, very late, and Nvidia is probably fuming xD

Jonnyguru from Corsair already tested all the Corsair stuff for the new ATX 3.0, PCIE_5, but as they're not independent, they're not advertising, talking about it. And MSI has some results on their website for their new PSUs which are also internal I guess.

And more interestingly, SIlverstone has released a ATX 3.0 PCIe_5 cable rdy psu based on the Ion+ 2 platform talked about above:

cultists.network

Silverstone Releases Hela 850R - Cultists Network

the new Hela 850R looks very promising for the next generation of GPUs. Featuring the new 12VHPWR and reportedly supporting ATX 3.0
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#23 ·
smoke2 said:
So according to hwbusters review you recommend XG more than Ion+ 2?
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If its cheaper than i dont see the reason why you should pay more
Its less about what is better than the price in this case both of them are very good

However i believe Fractal Design is much much better when it comes to RMA than Cooler Master is so if you care about that you might want the Ion instead
I dont know where you are from and what local consumer laws you have
 
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shilka said:
If its cheaper than i dont see the reason why you should pay more
Its less about what is better than the price in this case both of them are very good

However i believe Fractal Design is much much better when it comes to RMA than Cooler Master is so if you care about that you might want the Ion instead
I dont know where you are from and what local consumer laws you have
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Cybenetics site is great.
But it looks XG850 is little bit on noisy side according to his stats. Something like RM850x 2021.
What Im actually looking Fractal Ion+ 860P is the really quietest, but sadly he dont have a results for newer Ion+ 2 860P. Dont you know if Ion+ 2 is the same or quieter noisy than older Ion+?
 
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If you have case fans and GPU fans those are going to make way more noise than the PSU ever will at higher loads which means what you are asking is not really that important if everything else in the system is way louder

Almost every single mid range and higher PSU on the market has a zero fan mode which means that the fan in the PSU wont spin at all untill the temps or load goes high enough
I am pretty sure you wont be able to hear the PSU over the GPU and case fans at really high loads unless you pick a PSU that is super loud
 
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shilka said:
which means what you are asking is not really that important if everything else in the system is way louder

Almost every single mid range and higher PSU on the market has a zero fan mode which means that the fan in the PSU wont spin at all untill the temps or load goes high enough
I am pretty sure you wont be able to hear the PSU over the GPU and case fans at really high loads unless you pick a PSU that is super loud
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Youre right.
Here is Seasonic Focus GX-850 for 120€. Its the cheapest Gold PSU.
Then Corsair RM850x 2021 costs 164€.
Fractal Ion+ 2 costs 182€
XPG Core Reactor is for 130€.
CM XG850 is for 174€.
Corsair HX850 185€.
Please, which one you will take? Is the best quality?
Thank you.
 
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smoke2 said:
Youre right.
Here is Seasonic Focus GX-850 for 120€. Its the cheapest Gold PSU.
Then Corsair RM850x 2021 costs 164€.
Fractal Ion+ 2 costs 182€
XPG Core Reactor is for 130€.
CM XG850 is for 174€.
Corsair HX850 185€.
Please, which one you will take? Is the best quality?
Thank you.
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If price was the most important thing i would take the Seasonic Focus GX
However if price was NOT important what i would do is either the Fractal Design Ion+2 as my first option or the Corsair HX as my second option

I dont like the HX personally as you cant turn the zero fan mode on or off like you can with the Focus GX or the Ion+
If low noise is what you are after and dont mind the price there is also the Be Quiet Dark Power 12 but i dont know if you have that in your area?
 
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shilka said:
If price was the most important thing i would take the Seasonic Focus GX
However if price was NOT important what i would do is either the Fractal Design Ion+2 as my first option or the Corsair HX as my second option

I dont like the HX personally as you cant turn the zero fan mode on or off like you can with the Focus GX or the Ion+
If low noise is what you are after and dont mind the price there is also the Be Quiet Dark Power 12 but i dont know if you have that in your area?
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No, price at all isnt the most important. Some price/quality maybe not very noisy.
Dark Power 12 is for 250€ here. I dont know if its worth the money?
If HX doesnt have Zero RPM Im taking him off my selection.
Its between Ion+ 2 for 180€ and Focus GX for 120€, but Im concerned Focus GX is very noisy...
 
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smoke2 said:
No, price at all isnt the most important. Some price/quality maybe not very noisy.
Dark Power 12 is for 250€ here. I dont know if its worth the money?
If HX doesnt have Zero RPM Im taking him off my selection.
Its between Ion+ 2 for 180€ and Focus GX for 120€, but Im concerned Focus GX is very noisy...
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I said you cant turn the zero fan mode off i did not say it did not have it
There is a switch on the Focus GX and Ion+ where you can turn it off or on if you want either option the Corsair HX has no such switch its always on

From what you are saying it sounds like the best option is the Ion+2
 
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shilka said:
I said you cant turn the zero fan mode off i did not say it did not have it
There is a switch on the Focus GX and Ion+ where you can turn it off or on if you want either option the Corsair HX has no such switch its always on

From what you are saying it sounds like the best option is the Ion+2
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Where is suitable to turn off Zero RPM mode?
Because I owned RM750x and it doesnt have switch to turn off...
 
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smoke2 said:
Where is suitable to turn off Zero RPM mode?
Because I owned RM750x and it doesnt have switch to turn off...
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I always turn it off on my Seasonic PSU´s i would rather have the fan on at all times so there is some air flow inside the PSU even at ilde
Most people dont care about having an on/off switch and most would rather have the zero fan mode

What i dont like is not having the option like Corsair does Seasonic and Fractal Design give users the option for having the zero fan mode on or off vs Corsair that dont have any option to turn it off

I dont think Be Quiet give you the option either but i am not 100% sure on that

Edit: i have two Seasonic Prime TX 750 watt units one in each of my two PC´s and i have never heard the fans in those even at high loads as everything else in the PC is much louder
 
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Seasonic prime has a silent option and some of the lowest transient response in the industry. Highly recommended.
 
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#36 · (Edited)
@smoke2

You should consider moving up to 1kW due to high transient spikes of RTX 3000 cards. RTX 3080 will easily shoot up to, and over, 500W without any overclocking which can cause problems. See GamersNexus video on it here:


Edit For clarification this isn't an Nvidia only problem, it's just seen on more of their GPUs than AMD. For The Red Team it is primarily seen in the RX 6900/6950. The GN video also specifically points out people with 850W PSUs having problems.

It's also worth considering a higher power unit for use further down the line considering how long you held onto your Corsair. We can only speculate on what future CPUs and GPUs will draw, but IMO the 'silicon wars' are fully underway with hot competition between Intel, AMD and Nvidia. They are pulling out the stops with products that draw more power than nearly anything that's ever been seen in the consumer space.

You can also check out Igor's Lab for transient spike information, but you'll need to translate to English.

One of the best places to go for PSU reviews is going to be Cybenetics Labs: Cybenetics Labs – PSU Efficiency & Noise Level Certifications - Power Supplies

That's a link to their PSU review database which presently has 548 units in it. They verify 80+ certifications and also do extensive noise testing. You can look at PSU units by their verified 80+ cert, or by how quiet Cybenetics has determined the units to be. Each unit has an extensive report generated telling you, literally everything, about the PSU down to the types/model numbers of individual components that make up the PSU.

I just grabbed a Phanteks Amp 650W, a customized Seasonic design, for my HTPC due to their findings on how quiet it is even while under load.
 
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Roboyto said:
@smoke2

You should consider moving up to 1kW due to high transient spikes of RTX 3000 cards. RTX 3080 will easily shoot up to, and over, 500W without any overclocking which can cause problems. See GamersNexus video on it here:

It's also worth considering a higher power unit for use further down the line considering how long you held onto your Corsair. We can only speculate on what future CPUs and GPUs will draw, but IMO the 'silicon wars' are fully underway with hot competition between Intel, AMD and Nvidia. They are pulling out the stops with products that draw more power than nearly anything that's ever been seen in the consumer space.

You can also check out Igor's Lab for transient spike information, but you'll need to translate to English.

One of the best places to go for PSU reviews is going to be Cybenetics Labs: Cybenetics Labs – PSU Efficiency & Noise Level Certifications - Power Supplies

That's a link to their PSU review database which presently has 548 units in it. They verify 80+ certifications and also do extensive noise testing. You can look at PSU units by their verified 80+ cert, or by how quiet Cybenetics has determined the units to be. Each unit has an extensive report generated telling you, literally everything, about the PSU down to the types/model numbers of individual components that make up the PSU.

I just grabbed a Phanteks Amp 650W, a customized Seasonic design, for my HTPC due to their findings on how quiet it is even while under load.
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Honestly, it looks like to me now, with the new generations of CPUs and GPUs performance increase in these days is going hand in hand with higher power draw.
Maybe the 1000W unit could be adequate also on the background of broking RM750x after 6 years with year spent with RTX 3080.
 
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smoke2 said:
Honestly, it looks like to me now, with the new generations of CPUs and GPUs performance increase in these days is going hand in hand with higher power draw.
Maybe the 1000W unit could be adequate also on the background of broking RM750x after 6 years with year spent with RTX 3080.
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Precisely. If you plan on having the highest tier products that will be available from next gen products, then I would say 1000W would probably be the minimum. Things are still up in the air for power draw, but all signs presently are not pointing to the requirements going down any.
 
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#39 ·
smoke2 said:
HX850 is sold out and Ion+ 2 860W is in stocky but its only Platinum, but XG850 is Titanium.
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You're only going to save maybe a few extra cents a year going from Platinum to Titanium so don't bother also don't rely on 80+ rating as a quality assurance for PSU's looking at their Warranty period will tell you more 1~3 years crap don't touch, 5~7 years pretty good shouldn't go bad anytime soon, 10+ years buy with confidence but also realise all manufacturers have faulty or doa units at some point just look at gigbangs (gigabyte) 750 & 850 watt exploders
the ION+ 2 sounds like a good deal if that's one you can get at a resonable price
 
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Sent you a PM Smoke2.

One discussion which isn't really able to be had yet is the new specification for PC power that will change the connectivity and power rails required by PSU's. There will surely be a transition period, but more efficient and capable PSU's will appear once that change occurs as much of the power conversion circuitry will be removed from the PSU and occur digitally on the motherboard.
 
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