5950X Help Please!!

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

I could really use some help. After decades of been Intel user I decided to switch to AMD and recently I have purchased ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero and 5950X and I'm quite confused about few things.

I installed windows 10 and AMD chipset driver, then When I go to Bios, under CPU temps it shows me 50-53C which to me seems a bit to high on idle, I'm used to having my Intel 10900k sitting at 26-30MAX.
The weird thing is, after going to desktop and looking into HWiNf, it shows mush lower temps e.g 23C-28C on idle and when running R23 temps stay in 50C-56C which is OK, but something doesn't add up.
Also, the clocks never drop below 3600Mhz and I dont know if there is something in Bios I should change for the CPU to down clock or I need to do other things, please help would be so much appreciated.
I was so long with Intel and Asus that I know pretty much all bios settings, so implementing all Intel settings is breeze, but with AMD its a very confusing to me.

I would love if someone could help me figure this out and direct me to appropriate setting in bios for the CPU to run efficient.
Btw. I don't overclock, I like to run at stock settings

Thank you

MishelLngelo · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
I could really use some help. After decades of been Intel user I decided to switch to AMD and recently I have purchased ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero and 5950X and I'm quite confused about few things.

I installed windows 10 and AMD chipset driver, then When I go to Bios, under CPU temps it shows me 50-53C which to me seems a bit to high on idle, I'm used to having my Intel 10900k sitting at 26-30MAX.
The weird thing is, after going to desktop and looking into HWiNf, it shows mush lower temps e.g 23C-28C on idle and when running R23 temps stay in 50C-56C which is OK, but something doesn't add up.
Also, the clocks never drop below 3600Mhz and I dont know if there is something in Bios I should change for the CPU to down clock or I need to do other things, please help would be so much appreciated.
I was so long with Intel and Asus that I know pretty much all bios settings, so implementing all Intel settings is breeze, but with AMD its a very confusing to me.

I would love if someone could help me figure this out and direct me to appropriate setting in bios for the CPU to run efficient.
Btw. I don't overclock, I like to run at stock settings

Thank you

You are right, Ryzen is nothing like Intel, at least not like older ones anyway.
First thing to know is which cooler you are using and case cooling as well ?
It takes exceptional cooling. Ryzen boosts very dynamically balancing between single and multiple cores with internal algorithms that balance load and temperatures while BIOS can only control outer limits.
For a beginning, use Ryzen Master in Simple and Advanced mode to monitor parameters.
In windows use Ryzen power plan (comes with chipset drivers and set Minimum Processor state to something like 5% and enable power saving features in BIOS.
Speaking of windows. check CPU usage, anything over 1% is not true idle at which all cores but one should be in "sleep" mode.

Kodo28 · Aug 31, 2022

Cannot help u much on the MO side cause I do not own Asus board.

Concerning CPU, the base clock of 5950x is 3600mhz and this will be shown on HWinfo64 (clock perfs) but u need to look at the CPU effective clock.

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If you aren't going to overclock, there isn't to much settings to take into account in bios if u are going to run stock.

MishelLngelo said:
In windows use Ryzen power plan (comes with chipset drivers and set Minimum Processor state to something like 5% and enable power saving features in BIOS.

If not wrong the Ryzen Power Plan is not needed anymore on the 5000 series and Power Plan wont get even installed when you install the chipset drivers.
Ryzen 5000 is using the windows power plan now.

Ramad · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
I could really use some help. After decades of been Intel user I decided to switch to AMD and recently I have purchased ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero and 5950X and I'm quite confused about few things.

I installed windows 10 and AMD chipset driver, then When I go to Bios, under CPU temps it shows me 50-53C which to me seems a bit to high on idle, I'm used to having my Intel 10900k sitting at 26-30MAX.
The weird thing is, after going to desktop and looking into HWiNf, it shows mush lower temps e.g 23C-28C on idle and when running R23 temps stay in 50C-56C which is OK, but something doesn't add up.
Also, the clocks never drop below 3600Mhz and I dont know if there is something in Bios I should change for the CPU to down clock or I need to do other things, please help would be so much appreciated.
I was so long with Intel and Asus that I know pretty much all bios settings, so implementing all Intel settings is breeze, but with AMD its a very confusing to me.

I would love if someone could help me figure this out and direct me to appropriate setting in bios for the CPU to run efficient.
Btw. I don't overclock, I like to run at stock settings

Thank you

Don't worry about it, Windows is stupid and can't display Ryzen's real frequency, nor will it allow other software to show the real CPU frequency.
Ryzen uses 3 P-states which are:

P-state 0: Boost frequency
P-state 1: Base frequency
P-state 2: 2.2 GHz (idle frequency)
It also uses a sleep state while the cores are parked. This is active if requested by the OS.

On my PC, while idle, Windows Task Manager reads the frequency at 4.3 GHz, HWinfo64 reads it at 3.6 GHz and so does Core Temp.

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This is not the case on Linux, which displays the correct CPU frequency on idle as 2.2 GHz on MX Linux and OpenSUSE, which is the correct CPU frequency.

MX Linux:

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OpenSUSE:

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In short, don't worry about it, Windows can't tell you what your CPU's frequency is.

MishelLngelo · Aug 31, 2022

Just remembered one more thing. That MB's BIOS should have "Core Optimizer" with options for ALL cores and Per core optimization. Main goal is to regulate core voltages depending on load and temps across all cores or per core. It should lower temps with no or minimal loss of performance.

Blameless · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
I installed windows 10 and AMD chipset driver, then When I go to Bios, under CPU temps it shows me 50-53C which to me seems a bit to high on idle, I'm used to having my Intel 10900k sitting at 26-30MAX.
The weird thing is, after going to desktop and looking into HWiNf, it shows mush lower temps e.g 23C-28C on idle and when running R23 temps stay in 50C-56C which is OK, but something doesn't add up.

The BIOS cannot use power saving features or insert idle states; it will be hotter than OS idle.

larvabom said:
Also, the clocks never drop below 3600Mhz and I dont know if there is something in Bios I should change for the CPU to down clock or I need to do other things, please help would be so much appreciated.
I was so long with Intel and Asus that I know pretty much all bios settings, so implementing all Intel settings is breeze, but with AMD its a very confusing to me.

This is either your power profile, bios C-states, CPPC setting or a combination of these. It's not a big deal regardless; as soon as the core falls to C6 idle, it's power is negligible.

des2k... · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
I could really use some help. After decades of been Intel user I decided to switch to AMD and recently I have purchased ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero and 5950X and I'm quite confused about few things.

I installed windows 10 and AMD chipset driver, then When I go to Bios, under CPU temps it shows me 50-53C which to me seems a bit to high on idle, I'm used to having my Intel 10900k sitting at 26-30MAX.
The weird thing is, after going to desktop and looking into HWiNf, it shows mush lower temps e.g 23C-28C on idle and when running R23 temps stay in 50C-56C which is OK, but something doesn't add up.
Also, the clocks never drop below 3600Mhz and I dont know if there is something in Bios I should change for the CPU to down clock or I need to do other things, please help would be so much appreciated.
I was so long with Intel and Asus that I know pretty much all bios settings, so implementing all Intel settings is breeze, but with AMD its a very confusing to me.

I would love if someone could help me figure this out and direct me to appropriate setting in bios for the CPU to run efficient.
Btw. I don't overclock, I like to run at stock settings

Thank you

clocks don't drop below base on AMD, you would need to unlock / modify the power plan in windows
if you disable autonomous mode, it will enforce the Minimum processor state value

it won't change power/temps dropping below 3600mhz because AMD uses c-sates and freq is actually lower than 3600 reported on idle

Have mine at 2900mhz idle, but I don't think it does anything to power / temps. Maybe 1c at best.

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larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

MishelLngelo said:
You are right, Ryzen is nothing like Intel, at least not like older ones anyway.
First thing to know is which cooler you are using and case cooling as well ?
It takes exceptional cooling. Ryzen boosts very dynamically balancing between single and multiple cores with internal algorithms that balance load and temperatures while BIOS can only control outer limits.
For a beginning, use Ryzen Master in Simple and Advanced mode to monitor parameters.
In windows use Ryzen power plan (comes with chipset drivers and set Minimum Processor state to something like 5% and enable power saving features in BIOS.
Speaking of windows. check CPU usage, anything over 1% is not true idle at which all cores but one should be in "sleep" mode.

Thank you so much your info is very helpful. Knowing Intel is so much different from not only been new to AMD, but not knowing anything about this platform is so difficult and any help I gather here appreciate.

I use NH-D15 with decent case as airflow. It seems that my temps are decent and I just run R23 and the score seem to be on pair with others 25766, but what is concerning orI should say deceiving is the CPU temp showing in BIOS oppose to HWiNfo.

In Bios it shows between 50C-53C, but in HWinfo it shows somewhere between 24C-28C, so what this is all about?
Also, when not using anything in both, HWinfo and via task manager CPU usage is about 1% so it does seem to puts into sleep mode.

Under Power Plan in Windows, I cant seem to find that Ryzen power plan option, is not showing.
Thank YOU

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

Kodo28 said:
Cannot help u much on the MO side cause I do not own Asus board.

Concerning CPU, the base clock of 5950x is 3600mhz and this will be shown on HWinfo64 (clock perfs) but u need to look at the CPU effective clock.
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If you aren't going to overclock, there isn't to much settings to take into account in bios if u are going to run stock.

If not wrong the Ryzen Power Plan is not needed anymore on the 5000 series and Power Plan wont get even installed when you install the chipset drivers.
Ryzen 5000 is using the windows power plan now.

Ahh that's why I can't find Ryzen power plan that I asked above user "MishelLngelo "
When I looked into windows power plan under minimum CPU it shows 0% and MAX 100%, I changed to minimum 5%, but I don't know if this does anything.
Looking at effective clocks and you above screen, mine look similar so that seem to be OK, although, as I asked the user above my Temp in Bios shows much higher CPU temp on idle then HWInfo, that part I would like to figure as well.
Thank you so much

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
Thank you so much your info is very helpful. Knowing Intel is so much different from not only been new to AMD, but not knowing anything about this platform is so difficult and any help I gather here appreciate.

I use NH-D15 with decent case as airflow. It seems that my temps are decent and I just run R23 and the score seem to be on pair with others 25766, but what is concerning orI should say deceiving is the CPU temp showing in BIOS oppose to HWiNfo.

In Bios it shows between 50C-53C, but in HWinfo it shows somewhere between 24C-28C, so what this is all about?
Also, when not using anything in both, HWinfo and via task manager CPU usage is about 1% so it does seem to puts into sleep mode.

Under Power Plan in Windows, I cant seem to find that Ryzen power plan option, is not showing (aparently with 5000series, Ryzen paln is not been installed with Chip set)
Thank YOU

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

Ramad said:
Don't worry about it, Windows is stupid and can't display Ryzen's real frequency, nor will it allow other software to show the real CPU frequency.
Ryzen uses 3 P-states which are:

P-state 0: Boost frequency
P-state 1: Base frequency
P-state 2: 2.2 GHz (idle frequency)
It also uses a sleep state while the cores are parked. This is active if requested by the OS.

On my PC, while idle, Windows Task Manager reads the frequency at 4.3 GHz, HWinfo64 reads it at 3.6 GHz and so does Core Temp.
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This is not the case on Linux, which displays the correct CPU frequency on idle as 2.2 GHz on MX Linux and OpenSUSE, which is the correct CPU frequency.

MX Linux:
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OpenSUSE:
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In short, don't worry about it, Windows can't tell you what your CPU's frequency is.

Thank you.

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

MishelLngelo said:
Just remembered one more thing. That MB's BIOS should have "Core Optimizer" with options for ALL cores and Per core optimization. Main goal is to regulate core voltages depending on load and temps across all cores or per core. It should lower temps with no or minimal loss of performance.

I have always run my hardware at stock, CPU's and GPUs, and I know bios setting are different from manufacturer to manufacturer, but is there anything at all in BIos to is common for Ryzen without me touching voltages that I can change to improve efficiency of this processor. I don't game, but I do some 4k video rendering and code processing so I don't demand high power at all times I would like to keep the PC at low power usage if possible in till needed heavier work.

With my previous 10900k I used Intel's feature that was in Asus Bios " Enable All Limit" so my CPU would drop frequency (throttle down) once hit 70-75C to keep CPU safe and cool, that's what I'm referring to, is ther something similar for Ryze 5000series or Ryzen overall?
Thank you

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

Blameless said:
The BIOS cannot use power saving features or insert idle states; it will be hotter than OS idle.

This is either your power profile, bios C-states, CPPC setting or a combination of these. It's not a big deal regardless; as soon as the core falls to C6 idle, it's power is negligible.

So what you saying is that seen this higher temp in bios 53C opposed to on desktop via any monitoring software is normal, is that only with Ryzen? I'm asking because with any of my Intel CPU's that was more less accurate, what would show in Bios would pretty much reflect on desktop.

Is there anything in Bios I can change to run things at stock and as cool and accurate is possible?
Thank you

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

des2k... said:
clocks don't drop below base on AMD, you would need to unlock / modify the power plan in windows
if you disable autonomous mode, it will enforce the Minimum processor state value

it won't change power/temps dropping below 3600mhz because AMD uses c-sates and freq is actually lower than 3600 reported on idle

Have mine at 2900mhz idle, but I don't think it does anything to power / temps. Maybe 1c at best.

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Thank you

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

One other thing. On Intel for my fan curve I used CPU package temperature and my aquaero would do the rest, what is equivalent to CPU package on AMD?
Thank you guys very much, all of yours help makes my new CPU experience much more enjoyable

Just look it up and it seem to be CPU (Tctl/Tdie), is that correct?
Thank you

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

Someone might think, there is no need for all of my responses, but I want to make sure that you guys know I appreciate every one of the suggestions.
Here is just a screenshot of what it looks like while I'm typing this. I will also run R23 and make another one under load, could you guys tell me if there is anything out of ordinary or it seem OK.
Btw. I have been Intel fanboy all my life and hwile Im not familiar to AMD, so far I like this 5950X, it seem to run much nicer then my 10900k and 12900k.

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Blameless · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
So what you saying is that seen this higher temp in bios 53C opposed to on desktop via any monitoring software is normal, is that only with Ryzen? I'm asking because with any of my Intel CPU's that was more less accurate, what would show in Bios would pretty much reflect on desktop.

It depends more on the board's firmware/UEFI implementation than anything.

larvabom said:
Is there anything in Bios I can change to run things at stock and as cool and accurate is possible?

As long as c-states are enabled, you should be fine, and your idle power consumption in HWiNFO does not look abnormal.

larvabom · Aug 31, 2022

Blameless said:
It depends more on the board's firmware/UEFI implementation than anything.

As long as c-states are enabled, you should be fine, and your idle power consumption in HWiNFO does not look abnormal.

So which should I trust, I would only presume HWinfo? and how are temps under load. What would you suggest to run to test CPUs temps and what should I realistically expect
Thank you

Sir Beregond · Aug 31, 2022

Can't speak to the power plan and idle frequencies. As far as CPU-Z and HWInfo64 say, I idle in its base frequency between 3.6 and 3.7 GHz.

As for overclocking, there's not much you can do here. All core overclocks are a bit of a waste and can lose you performance. If you want more of a set it and forget it, enable PBO, just set to auto, add a frequency offset if you want, and a slight undervolt is a good idea too. If you really want to tinker, then you can start looking at per core Curve Optimizer, which will be time consuming, but can net you some more gains if you are thorough with it and stable with what you end up with.

As for your last post, temps seem fine and you are boosting nicely.

MishelLngelo · Aug 31, 2022

larvabom said:
Thank you so much your info is very helpful. Knowing Intel is so much different from not only been new to AMD, but not knowing anything about this platform is so difficult and any help I gather here appreciate.

I use NH-D15 with decent case as airflow. It seems that my temps are decent and I just run R23 and the score seem to be on pair with others 25766, but what is concerning orI should say deceiving is the CPU temp showing in BIOS oppose to HWiNfo.

In Bios it shows between 50C-53C, but in HWinfo it shows somewhere between 24C-28C, so what this is all about?
Also, when not using anything in both, HWinfo and via task manager CPU usage is about 1% so it does seem to puts into sleep mode.

Under Power Plan in Windows, I cant seem to find that Ryzen power plan option, is not showing.
Thank YOU

Temps in BIOS are neither here nor there, there's no much load but power savings are not running and no fan regulation either. Once upon a time it meant something but not any more.
You can customize any windows power plan or even make and name your own.
Ryzen master gives you most relatable temps. Ryzen doesn't report temps by core so even when only one core gets hot others may still be cool like cucumber. RM shows "Effective temps" just as if it was a single core CPU, same goes for voltage etc.

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