5600X, worth it to upgrade?

Waleh · Sep 7, 2022

Hello everyone!

I have noticed that with my current setup, (5600X stock, Asus TUF 3080, 32 GB DDR4 3600, 1 TB NVME at 3440x1440p, 144hz) I have several instances where my GPU usage is not in the 85%+ range). I recently built a system for my brother with basically identical specs but replacing the 5600X with a 5800X and we notice that his FPS seems to be more stable (less fluctuations) and GPU usage stays higher. For example, in BF2042 and Warzone, I can see over 20 FPS difference in certain instances between our PCs. Is this normal? I always thought that the difference is fairly minimal at higher resolutions between the Ryzen 5000 CPUs. I'm wondering now, is it worthwhile to swap the 5600X to a 5800X3D or a 5900X? Also thermals are well within range and drivers are all up to date.

Thanks for the help!

OCmember · Sep 7, 2022

I went from a 5800X to a 5800X3D and the minimums improved. Smoother game play. IMO it's worth it. And sell off the 5600X to offset the cost

tps3443 · Sep 7, 2022

You will see a big difference going with a 8/16 CPU in gaming at 1080P or 1440P or even more cores is great too. Especially if you have good properly optimized memory which only aids in IPC and CPU headroom to push that GPU usage up. The 5800X3D looks to be a waste of money in terms of performance over a 5800X from what I have gathered it’s a flop. I would put that towards good memory. It is $100 extra for what?

If you are after high GPU usage constantly, and very high 0.1% lows and 99% low frame rates. The 5900X would probably be your best upgrade option here for a solid improvement over the 5600X. My GPU usage is always 98-100% unless the game reaches a frame rate cap.

cookiezaddick · Sep 7, 2022

Waleh said:
I recently built a system for my brother with basically identical specs but replacing the 5600X with a 5800X and we notice that his FPS seems to be more stable (less fluctuations) and GPU usage stays higher.

Thanks for the help!

"Basically identical" ??

Is there anything more than CPU that's different? The setting maybe? because I don't believe if all the same, like, all all but the cpu, 5800x Vs 5600x shouldn't give you 20fps difference, like out of what? 200? That's more like 10% so something else needed to be sorted out first

tps3443 said:
If you are after high GPU usage constantly, and very high 0.1% lows and 99% low frame rates. The 5900X would probably be your best upgrade option here for a solid improvement over the 5600X. My GPU usage is always 98-100% unless the game reaches a frame rate cap.

Agree with fella above,

And I am on 5600x, and on benchmark, I realises that my GPU potential isn't pushed as much. Because of that I do some research that said a higher end GPU tend to slightly bottleneck by this sort of budget CPU, it is not like a big deal tho, we are talking about very small margin here maybe 3% max.

If upgrade without spending much on new motherboard is what you are after I think it is very wise to just go 5900x, it is not much more than 5800x, even cheaper than 5800x3d.

ozlay · Sep 7, 2022

Get a 5800x3D

DuRoc · Sep 7, 2022

ozlay said:
Get a 5800x3D

If it is a gaming PC why not get the best gaming cpu. The 5800x3D. Is it worth it? At this point next gen is right around the corner. I personally would ride the 5600x out a little longer. But if you just can't wait the 5800x3D is a beast for gaming.

sctheluna · Sep 7, 2022

Most tech tubers have pushed the narrative that 6 cores 12 threads is all you need for gaming. This hasn't been true since the 9900k and 1700x launched. Just about every triple AAA game of the last few years will utilize 8/16+ cores/threads. Sure you can play games on less but you'll have less consistent frame rates/times. Most people seem to be oblivious or are not sensitive enough to notice the difference in smoothness it makes. I went from a 8700k to a 9900k and it was a big difference in how buttery smooth my gameplay was. For some reason there's still lots of people out there that have chosen that the 6 core 12 thread hill is the one they will die on regardless of the facts. 8 cores and 16 threads is the standard and has been for a while now for the smoothest gameplay. If you're willing to change platforms then wait for Zen 4/3D or Raptor Lake, if not then the 5800x 3D is the best gaming CPU you can get right now. The 5900x and 5950x won't get quite as high maximum FPS in general but the higher core counts will give you more time with your current platform if you don't plan on upgrading past these CPU's anytime soon.

ZealotKi11er · Sep 8, 2022

Get 5800X3D. Should be quite a bit faster than 5600X. 8 Core and X3D.

Sir Beregond · Sep 8, 2022

Yeah get a 5800X3D if you do upgrade. For gaming will be the best move to stay on current platform.

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Dziarson · Sep 8, 2022

Optimize ram.try reach 2000FCLK and then watch miracles.

Waleh · Sep 8, 2022

cookiezaddick said:
"Basically identical" ??

Is there anything more than CPU that's different? The setting maybe? because I don't believe if all the same, like, all all but the cpu, 5800x Vs 5600x shouldn't give you 20fps difference, like out of what? 200? That's more like 10% so something else needed to be sorted out first

Agree with fella above,

And I am on 5600x, and on benchmark, I realises that my GPU potential isn't pushed as much. Because of that I do some research that said a higher end GPU tend to slightly bottleneck by this sort of budget CPU, it is not like a big deal tho, we are talking about very small margin here maybe 3% max.

If upgrade without spending much on new motherboard is what you are after I think it is very wise to just go 5900x, it is not much more than 5800x, even cheaper than 5800x3d.

Yeah, settings are all identical. We literally stood next to each other in a game of BF2042 and my FPS would read 110 for example and his would be 130 or more. He would reach 150 FPS often and I've never seen that number. Also, there is a smoothness factor that I can't explain which the 5800X seems to have a clear advantage with over my 5600X. Now, the 5900X is $499 CAD and the 5800x3d is $560 CAD. Is it worthwhile to get the more expensive 5800X3D? I want to keep this system for another 3+ years and I am not going to change the entire platform.

tps3443 · Sep 8, 2022

Waleh said:
Yeah, settings are all identical. We literally stood next to each other in a game of BF2042 and my FPS would read 110 for example and his would be 130 or more. He would reach 150 FPS often and I've never seen that number. Also, there is a smoothness factor that I can't explain which the 5800X seems to have a clear advantage with over my 5600X. Now, the 5900X is $499 CAD and the 5800x3d is $560 CAD. Is it worthwhile to get the more expensive 5800X3D? I want to keep this system for another 3+ years and I am not going to change the entire platform.

Looking at this video, he is running well optimized memory on all CPU's. And while the 5800X3D is fast in games, the 5900X offers some great advantages because you will drastically improve your gaming performance over a 5600X, and your multithreaded performance will be future proof for some years.

I Vote 5900X, or USED 5950X!

Because it is less expensive, and more powerful overall. Buy what you think is best though man. But a tuned out 5900X and 5950X are still very very fast.

cookiezaddick · Sep 8, 2022

Waleh said:
Yeah, settings are all identical. We literally stood next to each other in a game of BF2042 and my FPS would read 110 for example and his would be 130 or more. He would reach 150 FPS often and I've never seen that number. Also, there is a smoothness factor that I can't explain which the 5800X seems to have a clear advantage with over my 5600X. Now, the 5900X is $499 CAD and the 5800x3d is $560 CAD. Is it worthwhile to get the more expensive 5800X3D? I want to keep this system for another 3+ years and I am not going to change the entire platform.

all depends, only for gaming like you don’t like heavy editing and stuffs? Go for 3D. But myself aiming for 5900x because it’s a lot stronger in multi core and I love editing here and there bit by bit even now my 5600x feels super slow, while its cinebench r23 hit 12k at 4.62ghz, ram is 3800 cl16 b-die, it helps, but I can’t see it will reach anywhere even near 5800x let alone 5900x in term of multicore work.

again, it depends on what you do with that system, only gaming? Yeah x3d is king

Waleh · Sep 8, 2022

cookiezaddick said:
all depends, only for gaming like you don’t like heavy editing and stuffs? Go for 3D. But myself aiming for 5900x because it’s a lot stronger in multi core and I love editing here and there bit by bit even now my 5600x feels super slow, while its cinebench r23 hit 12k at 4.62ghz, ram is 3800 cl16 b-die, it helps, but I can’t see it will reach anywhere even near 5800x let alone 5900x in term of multicore work.

again, it depends on what you do with that system, only gaming? Yeah x3d is king

Yeah, this system is only for gaming. I don't do any editing or heavy programming, etc on it.

tps3443 · Sep 8, 2022

Waleh said:
Yeah, this system is only for gaming. I don't do any editing or heavy programming, etc on it.

Honestly, throw in a cheap used 5800X for the time being if you want smoother FPS and smoother LOW FPS, or ride it out. And grab something new and fresh when AMD drops the 7000 series CPU's. Not to mention its about to fall in price. So, wait until new AMD series comes out, then buy a 5800X3D.

Nothing wrong with waiting.

However, If you have the itch, and you have the FUNDS, and you want it now, GO BUY It! New parts are always fun!

I run a 11900K, and I do not plan on upgrading anytime soon. It absolutely hammers games daily at 5.5.

Buy it and enjoy it! And do not overthink the MORE CORES thing too much. If you only game then yes a 5800X3D is plenty good!

I run a 8/16 CPU daily, and I use it for work, and gaming during the day. It will multitask through anything and some. I never feel like I need more.

cookiezaddick · Sep 8, 2022

Waleh said:
Yeah, this system is only for gaming. I don't do any editing or heavy programming, etc on it.

You will know what’s best for you too, try to watch dozens of videos and read as many contents about 5800x3d vs 5900x,

You’ll get better perspective

Seriously they are closer than we probably think but the price difference is tiny too.

The biggest regret I have in this pc life is trying to save money on my first ever build, because everyone talked about WHAT IS ENOUGH, and I listen, without doing my own research and trying to set the expectations right.

in Aus, 5800x is $80 over 5600x. While 5900x is around $180 over 5600x, which is $100 over 5800x and 5800x3d is about the same price to 5900x.

even if they are $200 more, it’s for say 4 years effective lifetime, means $50 more per year, $1 per week.

imagine how cheap we are for saving that kind of money if we think about it,

ASSUMING WE CAN AFFORD IT.

if we can, if you can, go for it.

I did it man, I return my 6700xt after using it for 4 days, get full store credit, get 6800xt. Yes it is 500 aud more, $1100 aud, but I expect the depreciation would be around 10-20% per year, with expected value in 5 years around $300.

means I will lose $800 in 5 years, $160 a year, $3 per week. i can live with that.

hahahaha

go all in man! Make yourself happy

Imglidinhere · Sep 8, 2022

sctheluna said:
Most tech tubers have pushed the narrative that 6 cores 12 threads is all you need for gaming. This hasn't been true since the 9900k and 1700x launched. Just about every triple AAA game of the last few years will utilize 8/16+ cores/threads. Sure you can play games on less but you'll have less consistent frame rates/times. Most people seem to be oblivious or are not sensitive enough to notice the difference in smoothness it makes. I went from a 8700k to a 9900k and it was a big difference in how buttery smooth my gameplay was. For some reason there's still lots of people out there that have chosen that the 6 core 12 thread hill is the one they will die on regardless of the facts. 8 cores and 16 threads is the standard and has been for a while now for the smoothest gameplay. If you're willing to change platforms then wait for Zen 4/3D or Raptor Lake, if not then the 5800x 3D is the best gaming CPU you can get right now. The 5900x and 5950x won't get quite as high maximum FPS in general but the higher core counts will give you more time with your current platform if you don't plan on upgrading past these CPU's anytime soon.

And it's still an accurate statement. They actually proved that the performance increases (tested with Intel's 10th gen processors) were due to higher levels of cache in the processor. Adding extra cores did almost nothing after the fact. Steve from Hardware Unboxed showcased a 10900K, 10700k and a 10600k all running at the same frequency with each of the processors running as 6-core, 12-thread chips. The improvements were almost solely due to cache increases. It's amusing because this very thing is proven on AMD's side, which actually reduced max all-core boost frequency on the 5800X3D by around 300mhz and yet, in the vast majority of games, it shows a huge gain in almost every game tested.

Not to mention tests with the i3-12100 had it casually matching the 5600X in basically every game tested. And it's also worth noting that there is no scenario where a 1800X will suddenly be a better performing product compared to a 5600X. The cores are slower, the architecture is inferior, it runs hotter, frequency is a shadow of what the successor chip can do. The tests have already been done, and yet people still think that more cores means more performance and that's just not the case.

By the time a 6-core, 12-thread CPU isn't enough for gaming anymore, we'll have long since moved onto vastly more powerful processing and desktop CPUs will almost certainly have evolved into entirely different beasts.

i core · Sep 8, 2022

here is your answer

Blameless · Sep 8, 2022

tps3443 said:

I can't comment on most of the tests here as they are games I'm not particularly familiar with and the video documentation is pretty thin, but the Cyberpunk 2077 results looked quite off to me.

This is probably down to SMT being disabled by default in the game on processors with 8-cores or more. In CPU limited scenes, SMT helps a lot on the 5700/5800X and 5800X3D, enough to make the 5800X3D the fastest current AMD CPU in Cyberpunk 2077.

Taraquin · Sep 8, 2022

First of all I would tune\optimize ram (10%+ performance even on crappy ram, up to 20% on B-die), then activate pbo+200 and tune curve optimizer, this will net you 4-5% on top of that so 15-25% better performance in games when CPU-limited. If you don`t care about tuning get a 5800X3D, ramtuning don`t matter that much on it anyways. 5800X is barely faster than 5600X.

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