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Actually my Noctua NH-D15S with 2 140mm fans and barley over 1000 RPM easily cooled a 12700K 5GHz with e-cores off and only 82-83C max in Cinebench R23.

All the reading about how Raptor Lake is superior binning and refined to allow equal clocks or a little higher made me think an extra 600MHz should have been similar especially with 16 e-cores off. But nope sadly. Well maybe and my chip is probably a below average sample. Chip quality probably has something to do with it.

I have seen people with average 280mm and 360mm cooling 13900K hitting max 88C in Cinebench with e-cores on hitting 4.4GHz and P cores 5.5GHz.

E-cores take lots of extra power (of course e-cores not as much as P cores, but there are so many more of them that it probably gets closer in power draw). And them shutting off I thought only 8 P cores would be easier to cool at 5.6GHz. I guess not at least on my chip.

But we all learn something.

I insist on air cooling for fast only 8 cores.

But if I went with more than 8 cores and wanted them fast probably no way around liquid cooling unless I decided to do much lower clocks especially on AMD.
Water has the benefit of being a buffer that needs time to raise the overall water temp. It will sustain heat loads for much longer times. Pure heatsink saturates immediately.

You haven't learned anything over the past month since you are still wearing rose-tinted glasses and trying to find excuses to cope.

Good luck trying to bin a golden CPU. You'd only do it an injustice not using a sufficient cooling solution to maximize its potential.
 
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Sorry,but that cpu needs the best cooling you can get to run it at lower temps.
air cooling is not the way with this one.

This is cpu is just heater,I would recommend something artic freezer 2 420mm to get the most at off it.

This 13900k genarates a lot more heat because off the power usage then an 12700k.
So you cant compare them
 
There's nothing really wrong with air cooling as long as it has enough air.

@Wolverine2349 have you tried speeding up some/all of your fans ? You're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to run everything in silence. Is the 1000rpm limit the max speed of your setup ?
 
Silence and high performance do not go hand in hand. AIOs are e-waste, and people have been cooling 300w with air for many moons. It’s just not quiet.. like at all.
 
Silence and high performance do not go hand in hand. AIOs are e-waste, and people have been cooling 300w with air for many moons. It’s just not quiet.. like at all.
Cooling 300w with AIOs / CLCs isn't quiet either .. and AIOs / CLCs have pump noise that make them louder at idle than air coolers.. Sure, it will be quieter for about 10-15 minutes because it takes longer for heat to saterate AIO coolant than heatpipe coolant, but once it's heated up radiator fans have to run fast, thus more noise .. and AIOs / CLCs have pump noise that make them louder at idle than air coolers.
 
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There's nothing really wrong with air cooling as long as it has enough air.

@Wolverine2349 have you tried speeding up some/all of your fans ? You're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to run everything in silence. Is the 1000rpm limit the max speed of your setup ?

1000 RPM is the limit of my 4 140mm case fans.
 
You are starving your D15. 1000rpm is nothing... AIO will get plenty of fresh cool outside air while your D15 lived in an oven :D

Performance comes at a cost, and its usually noise. The question then becomes, how much are you willing to pay? Concessions must be made.
 
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You are starving your D15. 1000rpm is nothing... AIO will get plenty of fresh cool outside air while your D15 lived in an oven :D

Performance comes at a cost, and its usually noise. The question then becomes, how much are you willing to pay? Concessions must be made.

The fans are Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 140mm. Full speed for them is 1000 RPM. There is no faster option unless I change to different fans.
 
I'm presently cooling a 7950X with a NH-15S and no issues.
 
The fans are Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 140mm. Full speed for them is 1000 RPM. There is no faster option unless I change to different fans.
1000rpm is where most fans begin to be audible. Somewhere between 1000rpm and 1200rpm fan noise gets loud enough to be heard.
Using 1000rpm fans severely limits airflow performance!
Get one or two cheap higher speed / higher performance fans for front intakes. Even one as intake in front of CPU would help. Arctic P14 would be good. While not a great fan they are cheapest with decent performance.n

As others keep saying, you are running air cooler in an pre-heated oven.

Every degree warmer the air is entering cooler make CPU same degree hotter!
22c room with 22c air entering cooler gives CPU temp of 60c
22c room with 32c air entering cooler gives CPU temp of 70c
22c room with 42c air entering cooler gives CPU temp of 80c
 
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this is going no where. no matter what he does the performance is limited by him always. just a waste of time experiment. go back to ddr4 or go liquid with faster fans and much faster and better airflow when testing stability of ddr5..

DDR5 (2 X 16GB) Corsair Vengeance 6600 Hybix M Die rock solid stable at XMP settings at 6600MHz 32-39-39-76 with MSI Z690 Unify-X. It was bad on 2 Asus boards as well as many other DDR5 kits.

And I still have exact same airflow as before so it was the motherboard being Asus that was a problem or I needed a 2 DIMM board which Unify-X provides.

Couldn't even get 6000 stable with 36-36-36-90 timings on Asus 4 DIMM boards.
 
DDR5 (2 X 16GB) Corsair Vengeance 6600 Hybix M Die rock solid stable at XMP settings at 6600MHz 32-39-39-76 with MSI Z690 Unify-X. It was bad on 2 Asus boards as well as many other DDR5 kits.

And I still have exact same airflow as before so it was the motherboard being Asus that was a problem or I needed a 2 DIMM board which Unify-X provides.

Couldn't even get 6000 stable with 36-36-36-90 timings on Asus 4 DIMM boards.
ill be switching to z790 apex prob but keeping unify x just in case lol!
 
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ill be switching to z790 apex prob but keeping unify x just in case lol!

I thought of an Apex, but heard many of the 2021 models were crap and only 2022 were good and hard to tell which was what since they were no longer sold new. And it was Asus again. I wonder if Asus just is bad with DDR5 XMP settings this gen.

MSI Unify X has been excellent with DDR5 XMP stability.

2 Asus 4 DIMM Z790 boards had random and intermittent WHEAs and BSODs with like 4 different kits of (2 X 16GB) of DDR5 at XMP settings.
 
I thought of an Apex, but heard many of the 2021 models were crap and only 2022 were good and hard to tell which was what since they were no longer sold new. And it was Asus again. I wonder if Asus just is bad with DDR5 XMP settings this gen.

MSI Unify X has been excellent with DDR5 XMP stability.

2 Asus 4 DIMM Z790 boards had random and intermittent WHEAs and BSODs with like 4 different kits of (2 X 16GB) of DDR5 at XMP settings.
yeah, z690 MB pretty bad like apex. i stayed away from those. z790 though apex is speed king. i wanted to wait to see z790 dark first but idk if i can wait much longer.
 
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