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Discussion starter · #22 · (Edited)
Sometimes a card will stop communicating with the driver for a fraction of a second.
It doesn't happen that randomly. It happens when the GPU is under full load after the heat has built up. It doesn't happen when the GPU does light works.
It is more a heat-related issue on certain components such as the partially covered VRM.
 
@SilenMar

Yes that still a bit high.. I have not overclocked my card and after running Hitman3 max bernchmarks and at least an hour 4K flight in maxed out settings in Msfs2020 in NY and Rome. My "reallife test" (closed tower PC, 1000W atx3, 5800x3d) resulted in:

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...easy temps to life with, but in the back of my head the wrong designed copperplate is difficult to accept. If I'll take it apart I'll post the result. I probably will "simple shim" it something like this.

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Hello, it is a quite strange, as i do not meet these behavior with my version of 4090 waterforce.
i ran a 20 loop stress test of 3dmark, and collected these values.
i stayed with stock configuration of frequencies.
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i may missed it , but could you share again the scenarii when you hit so high temps ?

on another hand; i am not motivated to disassemble my card yet :p , but maybe you were unlucky with your card ( and it is neither acceptable)

On another hand , the 3090 waterforce version (i have it too) is not an example of good conception, especially regarding the 12Gig of memory on back side of the card, which you can not handle correctly the temperature without adding a heatsink + fan..

Anyway, intersting analyse, i would like to see an another dismounted card, to confirm that we start to afraid of.. :/
regards, fred
 
As I said, this guy needs to stop meaningless bashing of the card and return his as he got a dud...
 
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Discussion starter · #26 · (Edited)
Hello, it is a quite strange, as i do not meet these behavior with my version of 4090 waterforce.
i ran a 20 loop stress test of 3dmark, and collected these values.
i stayed with stock configuration of frequencies.
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i may missed it , but could you share again the scenarii when you hit so high temps ?

on another hand; i am not motivated to disassemble my card yet :p , but maybe you were unlucky with your card ( and it is neither acceptable)

On another hand , the 3090 waterforce version (i have it too) is not an example of good conception, especially regarding the 12Gig of memory on back side of the card, which you can not handle correctly the temperature without adding a heatsink + fan..

Anyway, intersting analyse, i would like to see an another dismounted card, to confirm that we start to afraid of.. :/
regards, fred
I just load Resident Evil 2 at 4K max settings with resolution scale at 170%.
Then I press ESC key to open and close the in-game menu multiple times to trigger the max fan speed.
The fan will spin to the max quite often like this when under load
The core is OCed to 3000Mhz, memory is added 1600MHz. The voltage stays between 1.035V-1.100V. The power is at 500W.
Your screenshot already shows there are detections of fan speed spikes at a very short period.
Mine is similar. Sometimes I can see up to 2700+RPM.
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@SilenMar

If you overclock with sense and clear judgement. Nothing will catch fire or desintegrate this summer. ;)
Try to go for stability in your quest for optimum results. It might very well be that this particular card, as is, is not the max-settings-overclocker you expected. Accept it or change it. But a tantrum on multiple fora will not help you or anyone.

I know I will not overthrottle my waterforce 4090 for a neglectable performance gain. I wanted the card for the 24x50Amps VRM setup (I never prefered watercooling but this time I gave it a shot and it works perfect). The cold plate design is not reflecting the possible power this card could handle. But many mosfets also stay cooler then a few and give a smoother and more stable signal. I like that.

We can overfocus on a shortcoming and end in hysteria. But we can also focus on possibilities. It's a choice.
I will maybe mod my Waterforce with custom watercooling, not today but later when I feel the urge to change the defaults.

Already today this will fit because I think the PCB of the Windforce is the same as the Waterforce.

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Discussion starter · #29 ·
If you overclock with sense and clear judgement. Nothing will catch fire or desintegrate this summer. ;)

Already today this will fit because I think the PCB of the Windforce is the same as the Waterforce.
Time will tell. You can always probe the temperature there to test it out. There is a reason something is wrong in the fan speed as it exhibits spikes.

I pay the same or less price to run a competent GPU with a full plate to chill at 60C everywhere with whatever 600W+ conformably without hassles.

Also, the PCBs are different.
 
Discussion starter · #32 ·
Mmm.. I went Bellingcat on your images and hoped you would recognize the PCBs as the same. The windforce has less mosfets, chokes and capacitators. But thats not an issue for the waterblock.
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This is interesting. Unlike PCBs of Gaming OC or Aorus I saw before, the waterblock should be compatible since the PCB are the same model.

Still, I already paid $2000 for the AIO card and need to pay $200 for an additional waterblock to fix the hassles.
 
@Id57 Please post the feedback.
If you compare the two revisions on their site its only the PSU power recommendation. And there is a bios update for the 1.0 and not for the 1.1.

@SilanMar
True, I first have to forget what I paid too before that hassle.
And with regards to your fan spikes, although I do not know in what scenario your issue occurs. Some fun-fan facts you probably know. I noticed that if one fan signals as being obstructed (stick your finger between the blades) a short power surge is send to the fans compensate for or start the idle fan. Also with Afterburner you can make a user defined fan profile and stretch update period or compensate temp hysteresis.
 
@Id57 Please post the feedback.

If you compare the two revisions on their site its only the PSU power recommendation. And there is a bios update for the 1.0 and not for the 1.1.



@SilanMar

True, I first have to forget what I paid too before that hassle.

And with regards to your fan spikes, although I do not know in what scenario your issue occurs. Some fun-fan facts you probably know. I noticed that if one fan signals as being obstructed (stick your finger between the blades) a short power surge is send to the fans compensate for or start the idle fan. Also with Afterburner you can make a user defined fan profile and stretch update period or compensate temp hysteresis.


Yep i will post.

Regarding bios, i did not flash et.



Regarding fan spikes, i see them too with my card.

I also saw hwinfo losing GPU temp measures, but it is maybe related to the fact i was running 3dmark, AB and hwinfo simultaneously, and they may conflict to read sensor.
 
I haven´t teared apart my GB Waterforce, but tests, temps and noise levels are really good. There isn´t a thing to complain, my card is 1.0
Card stays ~50-60c in games and is really quiet, fans work usually most of time less than 1000rpm.

PortRoyal 28676 points from litle tune is great score I scored 28 676 in Port Royal

Only thing what bothers me was that I can´t turn fan speed to 0% speed, that`s why I installed Asus Strix 600W BIOS.
With Asus 600W BIOS I got timespy graphic scores 21721 points with 24c room temp - I scored 17 810 in Time Spy Extreme
 

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I have a 4090 waterforce, non of what you said applies to it (maybe the plastic build quality). I suspect you had bad luck with it.

I previously had a 3090ti waterforce, which I returned in order to get this one. I am generally satisfied with it. Good luck
 
I haven´t teared apart my GB Waterforce, but tests, temps and noise levels are really good. There isn´t a thing to complain, my card is 1.0
Card stays ~50-60c in games and is really quiet, fans work usually most of time less than 1000rpm.

PortRoyal 28676 points from litle tune is great score I scored 28 676 in Port Royal

Only thing what bothers me was that I can´t turn fan speed to 0% speed, that`s why I installed Asus Strix 600W BIOS.
With Asus 600W BIOS I got timespy graphic scores 21721 points with 24c room temp - I scored 17 810 in Time Spy Extreme
Sorry for double post, I only get 27400 at port royal. I wonder why
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
I have a 4090 waterforce, non of what you said applies to it (maybe the plastic build quality). I suspect you had bad luck with it.

I previously had a 3090ti waterforce, which I returned in order to get this one. I am generally satisfied with it. Good luck
Doubt it. Full load the card under GPU-Z. You will see the fan spikes.
 
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