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Basically wondering if FS140 is worth 10$ more. Its 250g heavier and has a 140mm fan. But so far tests are inconclusive / hard to find / in chinese only. One test says PA120 cools better, which is hard to believe.

Im cooling a 13700k. FC140 is double the price here.
 
Basically wondering if FS140 is worth 10$ more. Its 250g heavier and has a 140mm fan. But so far tests are inconclusive / hard to find / in chinese only. One test says PA120 cools better, which is hard to believe.

Im cooling a 13700k. FC140 is double the price here.
I believe @Owterspace just had an FC140 shipped to Canada very reasonably. Perhaps he can chime in.
 
I believe @Owterspace just had an FC140 shipped to Canada very reasonably. Perhaps he can chime in.
He got it on a great sale price though, on Amazon.com. Even at regular price, it is still usually slightly cheaper after all the fees/duties compared to buying in Canada, but it's not a particularly great deal compared to PA120.

Recently the PA120s all got a significant price cut on Amazon.ca, last I checked they are undercutting even their $USD MSRP, let alone equivalent converted $ value.

The regular colour FC140 is alright but still has the +$20 slapped on top for shipping and duties, like the other TR coolers on Amazon.com shipped to Canada

you mean the new thermalright models?
im not following
Isn't the 4-heatpipe FS140 an old design?

Regardless of how thick the heatpipes are I wouldn't go lower than 5x (ie. FC140). Just pick up a PA120 or PA120SE if you're price conscious, or keep watching FC140 prices if you really want it.
 
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He got it on a great sale price though, on Amazon.com. Even at regular price, it is still usually slightly cheaper after all the fees/duties compared to buying in Canada, but it's not a particularly great deal compared to PA120.

Recently the PA120s all got a significant price cut on Amazon.ca, last I checked they are undercutting even their $USD MSRP, let alone equivalent converted $ value.



Isn't the 4-heatpipe FS140 an old design?

Regardless of how thick the heatpipes are I wouldn't go lower than 5x (ie. FC140). Just pick up a PA120 or PA120SE if you're price conscious, or keep watching FC140 prices if you really want it.
got myself a PA120. super cheap on amazon.ca
they are probably clearing old model for frost tower
 
One test says PA120 cools better, which is hard to believe.
I've encountered another which had the PA120 1 °C cooler than FC140. This isn't surprising Quite a few tests aren't noise normalized, don't do the remounts needed and don't control test methodology closely enough to obtain 1 °C accuracy, and don't push enough wattage to lift noise-normalized differences above measurement error. I've commented in other threads I'd like to get a PA120 to evaluate but it's proved hard to justify. I'm careful about getting stable load, checking ambient temperature, and so on and I can't measure a difference between the NH-U12A, which isn't even dual tower, and FS120 with 5950Xes under them at 130 W. There should be a difference but it's below the acoustic noise floor I can get (even when controlling fans by putting TL-C12s on the NH-U12A) and, since I'm not in a position to void the processors' warranties by overclocking, differences in ΔT are also below what I can reliably discriminate.

While PA120-FS140 comparative data is lacking, there's a long history of 140 air separating from 120 air starting around 200 W. The 13700K's turbo is 253 W turbo so, assuming you make use the processor capabilities you've paid for, I'd expect the FS120 to be worth the 10 CAD. I'm not remembering @Owterspace mentioning specific measurements of PA120-FC140 differences but their comments on the two may help triangulate this.

They are probably clearing old model for Frost Tower.
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I've encountered another which had the PA120 1 °C cooler than FC140. This isn't surprising Quite a few tests aren't noise normalized, don't do the remounts needed and don't control test methodology closely enough to obtain 1 °C accuracy, and don't push enough wattage to lift noise-normalized differences above measurement error. I've commented in other threads I'd like to get a PA120 to evaluate but it's proved hard to justify. I'm careful about getting stable load, checking ambient temperature, and so on and I can't measure a difference between the NH-U12A, which isn't even dual tower, and FS120 with 5950Xes under them at 130 W. There should be a difference but it's below the acoustic noise floor I can get (even when controlling fans by putting TL-C12s on the NH-U12A) and, since I'm not in a position to void the processors' warranties by overclocking, differences in ΔT are also below what I can reliably discriminate.

While PA120-FS140 comparative data is lacking, there's a long history of 140 air separating from 120 air starting around 200 W. The 13700K's turbo is 253 W turbo so, assuming you make use the processor capabilities you've paid for, I'd expect the FS120 to be worth the 10 CAD. I'm not remembering @Owterspace mentioning specific measurements of PA120-FC140 differences but their comments on the two may help triangulate this.

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I got it for 43 cad, free shipping. which is 32 usd
your chart is wrong
 
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you mean different variations of an item commanding different prices based on supply and demand? (or projections of supply and demand as we are now dealing with dynamic pricing algos)

what is the message you are trying to convey
 
PA120 is good for 6-8cores with room for boost, FC140 is good for 12 and up with some boost. If you want moar boost backed by the big PeePeeTees you need to switch it up to some louder fans :)

PA120 can handle a stock 5900X with no problems, It can take 240w PPT with an iPPC but it’s not happy about it. FC140 doesn’t like 240w PPT neither, but it tolerates it better. Come to think of it, it’s probably my 5900X that doesn’t like 240w PPT 😁

FC140 is the better cooler though. PA120 is nice and compact. With FC140 I cannot use my TR M.2 cooler on the top slot. For the price PA120 is a solid cooler.
 
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yeah I would have gotten the FC140 if it wasnt more than double the price of the PA120

it makes completing cinebench runs possible but you're right it doesnt like 200W+ loads, hovering around 80-85C and screaming a bit while doing so
 
yeah I would have gotten the FC140 if it wasnt more than double the price of the PA120

it makes completing cinebench runs possible but you're right it doesnt like 200W+ loads, hovering around 80-85C and screaming a bit while doing so
Yeah I got super lucky at 35usd for the white FC140. A few weeks before that I got a PA120SE white ARGB for roughly the same price. And both of those together were still cheaper than my first FC140. Crazy. I still like PA120 for smaller CPUs though.
 
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I have both Pa120 and FS140 on a ~190watt 12700 (no K)

The Fs140 is about 2-3c cooler (19c ambient). The fans are also less loud (by ear, on max rpm) which doesnt make sense to me but ok.

Im very impressed from Fs140. With 19c ambient 195-200 watt loading CPU temp only gets upto 71-72 after 10 mins full load. When i set it to unhearable it still keeps below 80c. Also the fact that it came for 35 euro delivered (german amazon) makes it a proper steal.

My case is open mesh tho (the chinese non dust filtering kind) with 3x140 intake so your mileage may vary.
 
FC140 is a beast of a cooler. In a stock config Torrent Compact, I can run a 5800X3D with no fans on the cooler, and a completely stock 5900X will also run just fine with no fans on the cooler. Actually, I can take it to 185w PPT before I start considering adding a fan :D

I am using the PA120 ARGB fans at the bottom of my Torrent, and they are pretty much the loudest fans in my system at the moment..
 
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