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In moving my pc into a new case, I lost my bios settings, so I’m at it again, and curious about some settings. Can anyone help me understand them please? I’ve read some articles on them, but I’m still unsure about how they affect the stability in my system.

Wishing the documentation from Asus was better on all of this, but I’m guessing it would be quite the task to write such a thing. (Imagines an electrical engineering focussed 3 volume bookset)

Manual cache speeds - it seems that when I set this manually, I get more instability in tests. Im told that I should be aiming for 3 under my clock speed, but have set this to auto for now to “not have to think about it”; can someone please explain what this does, and if I have to set it, and if there’s any real benefit to doing so?

LLC- for some reason, even given a modest 4.9ghz all core overclock on my 10850k, I need to set this to 6 for the system not to hang in OCCT utilities system test utility. I’ve read that if it’s set lower, this can lead to lower temperatures. Can someone please tell me what settings would need to be lowered to allow a lower stable LLC setting? Or why the system needs a higher LLC? (quite confused about this one) I’m temperature limited with a 280mm Corsair 115i platinum, so maybe this would be good information for my build.

BLCK adaptive voltage - I’ve read some people saying to enable it for better stability, some people saying disable it. Could anybody explain what this does and why people are arguing both sides please? I’m guessing this works sort of like a more restrictive ‘turbo’ that just fluctuates voltage? If that’s the case, this would effect the “vdroop’ in llc??

By core usage clock speeds (setting each core differently) - in the guides I’ve read, they’re using an earlier version of bios than I have. In my version, when I look at setting speeds per core, I see two values instead of one, for each core - “turbo ratio limit”, and “turbo ratio cores”. Please explain what this is and how it should be set.
Xmp - should I set this to 2 or 1? Guides say either or, and I’m not sure what the difference is.

Ram Frequency - The 10800k states a 2933mhz (from memory) speed supported. Should I be setting the speed of the ram to above this? Is there any benefit of doing so? Or am I hurting the speed of my PC by setting this highter?


My hardware: ROG strix z490-h i9 10850k 2x8gb Corsair rgb rt 3600 ram, corsair 280mm h115i platinum

Thanks for your help. It’d be good to learn about this stuff instead of doing more time consuming, seemingly never ending blind trial and error.

P.S.
If there are any definitive guides on ROG bios settings and understanding them, please send them my way!
 
It is a MSI ,but pretty much the same

mem

I run my PC , with all cores locked at the same speed all the time
 
In moving my pc into a new case, I lost my bios settings, so I’m at it again, and curious about some settings. Can anyone help me understand them please? I’ve read some articles on them, but I’m still unsure about how they affect the stability in my system.

Wishing the documentation from Asus was better on all of this, but I’m guessing it would be quite the task to write such a thing. (Imagines an electrical engineering focussed 3 volume bookset)

Manual cache speeds - it seems that when I set this manually, I get more instability in tests. Im told that I should be aiming for 3 under my clock speed, but have set this to auto for now to “not have to think about it”; can someone please explain what this does, and if I have to set it, and if there’s any real benefit to doing so?

LLC- for some reason, even given a modest 4.9ghz all core overclock on my 10850k, I need to set this to 6 for the system not to hang in OCCT utilities system test utility. I’ve read that if it’s set lower, this can lead to lower temperatures. Can someone please tell me what settings would need to be lowered to allow a lower stable LLC setting? Or why the system needs a higher LLC? (quite confused about this one) I’m temperature limited with a 280mm Corsair 115i platinum, so maybe this would be good information for my build.

BLCK adaptive voltage - I’ve read some people saying to enable it for better stability, some people saying disable it. Could anybody explain what this does and why people are arguing both sides please? I’m guessing this works sort of like a more restrictive ‘turbo’ that just fluctuates voltage? If that’s the case, this would effect the “vdroop’ in llc??

By core usage clock speeds (setting each core differently) - in the guides I’ve read, they’re using an earlier version of bios than I have. In my version, when I look at setting speeds per core, I see two values instead of one, for each core - “turbo ratio limit”, and “turbo ratio cores”. Please explain what this is and how it should be set.
Xmp - should I set this to 2 or 1? Guides say either or, and I’m not sure what the difference is.

Ram Frequency - The 10800k states a 2933mhz (from memory) speed supported. Should I be setting the speed of the ram to above this? Is there any benefit of doing so? Or am I hurting the speed of my PC by setting this highter?


My hardware: ROG strix z490-h i9 10850k 2x8gb Corsair rgb rt 3600 ram, corsair 280mm h115i platinum

Thanks for your help. It’d be good to learn about this stuff instead of doing more time consuming, seemingly never ending blind trial and error.

P.S.
If there are any definitive guides on ROG bios settings and understanding them, please send them my way!
By Core usage clock speeds try each core separated. so turn on 1 core active and try the number you'd like. if it runs stable set 2 cores active and try the number at both cores and so on... if in this process the system seems instable losen the number lower and try again untill you have stable system on all cores running.

example:

core 1 active : 48 stable ok move on
core 2 active: 48 stable ok move on
core 3 active: 48 stable ok move on
core 4 active: 48 stable ok move on
core 5 active: 48 stable ok move on
core 6 active: 48 unstable ok try again

core 1 active: 47 stable ok move on
core 2 active: 47 stable ok move on
core 3 active: 47 stable ok move on
core 4 active: 47 stable ok move on
core 5 active: 47 stable ok move on
core 6 active: 47 stable ok you have stable system.

in this process you need to have constant voltage so no drops if possible, also the base core clock and frequency need to be at base clocks otherwise they will be interfering.
 
Discussion starter · #4 ·
It is a MSI ,but pretty much the same

mem
Thanks, they look good! Will definitely spend some time reading up on them.

I run my PC , with all cores locked at the same speed all the time
Can you tell me why? I've noticed that some cores run hotter than others - Should I not be turning the speed of the hot cores down?
 
@BloodyKnack - Thanks! It's an Interesting process... To be focussing on stability, and not temperature of each core makes me think of this whole thing differently. Your comment is appreciated.
do not forget in this process if you test the stability on the cores sereratly to save and exit each time and run windows for stability of your system. you won't see the stability in the bios... and about the temps begin low on the numbers and go higher in the process. but on idle your cpu won't go to high depending on what cpu cooler you have so when you eventually have a stable cpu Oc run some stresstest and see if the system is fully stable both on the clock and the temperature. good luck testing this. it's a fun process
 
Thanks, they look good! Will definitely spend some time reading up on them.


Can you tell me why? I've noticed that some cores run hotter than others - Should I not be turning the speed of the hot cores down?
I lock all my cores to the same speed, because I have several games the low it , I run a lot of 3Dmark, it's only the voltage ideal temp, is not something I'm afraid of
there may well be 2/5c difference between them, nothing wrong with that
 
In moving my pc into a new case, I lost my bios settings, so I’m at it again, and curious about some settings. Can anyone help me understand them please? I’ve read some articles on them, but I’m still unsure about how they affect the stability in my system.

Wishing the documentation from Asus was better on all of this, but I’m guessing it would be quite the task to write such a thing. (Imagines an electrical engineering focussed 3 volume bookset)

Manual cache speeds - it seems that when I set this manually, I get more instability in tests. Im told that I should be aiming for 3 under my clock speed, but have set this to auto for now to “not have to think about it”; can someone please explain what this does, and if I have to set it, and if there’s any real benefit to doing so?

LLC- for some reason, even given a modest 4.9ghz all core overclock on my 10850k, I need to set this to 6 for the system not to hang in OCCT utilities system test utility. I’ve read that if it’s set lower, this can lead to lower temperatures. Can someone please tell me what settings would need to be lowered to allow a lower stable LLC setting? Or why the system needs a higher LLC? (quite confused about this one) I’m temperature limited with a 280mm Corsair 115i platinum, so maybe this would be good information for my build.

BLCK adaptive voltage - I’ve read some people saying to enable it for better stability, some people saying disable it. Could anybody explain what this does and why people are arguing both sides please? I’m guessing this works sort of like a more restrictive ‘turbo’ that just fluctuates voltage? If that’s the case, this would effect the “vdroop’ in llc??

By core usage clock speeds (setting each core differently) - in the guides I’ve read, they’re using an earlier version of bios than I have. In my version, when I look at setting speeds per core, I see two values instead of one, for each core - “turbo ratio limit”, and “turbo ratio cores”. Please explain what this is and how it should be set.
Xmp - should I set this to 2 or 1? Guides say either or, and I’m not sure what the difference is.

Ram Frequency - The 10800k states a 2933mhz (from memory) speed supported. Should I be setting the speed of the ram to above this? Is there any benefit of doing so? Or am I hurting the speed of my PC by setting this highter?


My hardware: ROG strix z490-h i9 10850k 2x8gb Corsair rgb rt 3600 ram, corsair 280mm h115i platinum

Thanks for your help. It’d be good to learn about this stuff instead of doing more time consuming, seemingly never ending blind trial and error.

P.S.
If there are any definitive guides on ROG bios settings and understanding them, please send them my way!

this one will help a LOT
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
Hey, more replies! Thanks!

Just saw them... Sorry for the slow reply. I've been busy with life stuff. I have not started my research on this yet, and plan to do it today, so it's great timing. Will check these out soon.
 
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