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FrikkieDieSoldaat

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Good day Overclockers

I know there is no such thing as a forever PC, but one can try. I am asking your advice on a build that will last me 10 Years, with RAM and GPU upgrades after 5 Years.

What I am currently running:
Intel i5 2500K @4.2gHz,
Asus Maximus IV Extreme RevB
Asus GTX970 Strix(Before strix became ROG),
Kingston Beast DDR3 8GB @ 2133mHz,
Samsung 840 256gb SSD (OS)
Antec High Current Gamer 850W Bronze PSU
Coolermaster Enforcer Chassis.

I built above mentioned system in 2011, upgrading my GPU to the GTX970, RAM and SSD in 2014. I've been running a stable 4.2gHz on my 2500K since 2017 on a cheap Coolermaster 212 Hyper I also baught in 2014. With good maintenance, my build lasted me almost 12years. She started showing her age with the release of Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and I've had to start dailing down my settings. With each year's new release, the settings are getting turned down even further. I am at the stage where my games are starting to look like a Playstation or XBox :p. And so the time has come to lay this old girl to rest. A sad day indeed.

But with the retirement of a old veteran, there is a space made available for a newcommer in the family entertainment squad.
I've done a lot of research. And I am stuck. I don't have a budget that will not allow a new build every 2-3years(atleast for the next 3years). I've been saving ever so slowly since Shadow of the Tomb Raider reared her pretty face... Wanting to see it in all its splendor.

The time has come to get some a new PC, and the excitement is massive. Alas, I never buy someting on impulse, there is always research, lots of research. I am a fanboy of my wallet and how far each Rand(South African Currency) can stretch, and what is the best value for money. So with above mentioned statement:"And I am stuck", here is where I am at:
1. AMD System, wich will support AM5 until 2025, with a cheaper CPU now, 7600 non X when it releases, and when the final itteration of AM5 launches, get a X3D version of the best CPU then. Mounted on the great motherboard I buy with the non X Ryzen 5.
2. Get the best Intel has to offer on the Z790 system. And hope for the same value as SandyBridge(Years wise, nothing will beat SandyBridge for value, lets be honest).
I will most likely upgrade the RAM, GPU and storage 5 years after the intial build. Depending on how the GPU performs when Half Life 3 releases🤞.
With all the experience I've accumulated over the years, I've come to realise that I am not the smartest guy in the world and the opinion and collective knowlege of my peers will almost certainly be a much wiser decision than what I can come up with on my own.

Every suggestion will be appreciated. I thank all of the hardware sages in advance!
 
Here are some suggestions for parts if you want good bang for buck the MSI Tomahawk series of motherboards are an option or if you want to spend more the Carbon wifi
The same goes for Scythe CPU coolers with the Mugen 5 and Fuma 2 being really good for the price

Stuff like cases and GPU´s is a matter of personal opinion and taste but i personally prefer Fractal Design cases as they dont plaster their cases with RGB
RAM SSD and PSU depends on local availability and prices
 
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1. AMD System, wich will support AM5 until 2025, with a cheaper CPU now, 7600 non X when it releases, and when the final itteration of AM5 launches, get a X3D version of the best CPU then. Mounted on the great motherboard I buy with the non X Ryzen 5.
Wait a month for the X3D CPUs to launch and snag a used 7800/7900 when people are dumping them to upgrade? Might get a 7700/7800 for the price of a new 7600.

The Intel option makes no sense. The only coming CPU for LGA 1700 is the KS, and if the performance uplift of the AM4 X3D CPUs extrapolate to AM5 then they're going to at least match the performance of a KS. And then you probably get at least 1 more CPU gen on AM5.
 
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Here are some suggestions for parts if you want good bang for buck the MSI Tomahawk series of motherboards are an option or if you want to spend more the Carbon wifi
The same goes for Scythe CPU coolers with the Mugen 5 and Fuma 2 being really good for the price

Stuff like cases and GPU´s is a matter of personal opinion and taste but i personally prefer Fractal Design cases as they dont plaster their cases with RGB
RAM SSD and PSU depends on local availability and prices
Fractal Design is a highly sought after brand in South Africa with only one e-tailer importing them. They have sort of monopolize them. I've had my eye on a Lian-Li LanCool 2 mesh performance. I don't care much for RGB. Importing from a chassis Amazon is super expensive due to the size of the package.
 
Better wait for
(i5 13500 )= 7700x not i5 13400
B660/B760
Cheap 2x16gb or 4x16 ddr5
= 7700x for less price
I hope sub 250$
13500 could be the best midrange CPU in 2023
Upgrade path will not be a problem knowing you upgrade your PC after YEARS of use

Furniture Table Window Building Interior design


Still happy of my 2700 Rx 570
Enjoying warzone 2 70-90fps low
Property Photograph Furniture Light Lighting

13500 is 2 times faster than my 2700@3.7ghz
 
Wait a month for the X3D CPUs to launch and snag a used 7800/7900 when people are dumping them to upgrade? Might get a 7700/7800 for the price of a new 7600.

The Intel option makes no sense. The only coming CPU for LGA 1700 is the KS, and if the performance uplift of the AM4 X3D CPUs extrapolate to AM5 then they're going to at least match the performance of a KS. And then you probably get at least 1 more CPU gen on AM5.
I agree with this. The 5800X3D is such a good CPU that neither AMD nor Intel want to talk about it anymore, because they want to sell their new stuff. But if you look at sales charts, a lot of people got 5800X3D in the last couple of months, and they know why. It is the 1080Ti of CPUs. I would wait and see how good the 7xxxX3D will be. Then depending on price get one of those or a normal Ryzen 7xxx CPU. If you go with AM5 I would expect the ability to do CPU upgrades for at least 3 years.
 
5 years is an eternity, let alone 10 years.

You want to upgrade ram, so seeing ddr4 is end of life and ddr5 means the motherboard you buy now will not handle any ddr5 in 5 years when we will probably see DDR7 being introduced. Ram upgrade after 5 years makes no sense.

I also doubt a mobo you buy now (all still mostly pcie4) will be relevant after 5 years, even if it still has the same socket. We'll probably have pcie5 GPUs then, definitely pcie5 storage and usb4 moving towards the new standard port.

My €0.02 is to buy what you can afford now and replace it all after 5 years.
 
Since you will need new ram, no point paying for DDR4, look for a decent Hynix M die 2x16 kit, they're cheap and no current DDR4 is worth the money compared to it.

CPU wise could be worth waiting to see how 70003D chips perform, now if you want it to last another 10 years, I would not advise getting a 6c chip, however you might also want to wait for 13700 and 13900 non Ks which are coming out soon and see how the prices are.
 
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Upgrade path will not be a problem knowing you upgrade your PC after YEARS of use
As I mentioned before, the idea behind the AMD path, is get a cheaper cpu now, like a 2nd hand 7600/x and then wait until AMD releases their final itteration on the current socket, then, I sell my weak processor, and get the X3D. Its all sound like a good idea in my head.
 
As I mentioned before, the idea behind the AMD path, is get a cheaper cpu now, like a 2nd hand 7600/x and then wait until AMD releases their final itteration on the current socket, then, I sell my weak processor, and get the X3D. Its all sound like a good idea in my head.
Problem here is you have to ASSUME the new AMD CPUs will be good. They most likely will, but what if they're not?

It shouldn't be long now before they release, surely you can just keep using your current system for a bit longer?
 
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