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#461 ·
Ichirou said:
Put it under water. It's kind of necessary for any 8,200+ MHz configuration right now.

You should try for 8,000+ MHz if it's under water.
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Hi Ichirou,

Thank for your advice, but I don't have a custom water cooling.

I just use EK-AIO 280, because my ITX case is too small.

For KingbankTech memory modules, the original heatsink are useless and that why I changed it.

Next step I will try to go to 8000Mhz.
 
#462 ·
Just flashed the latest BIOS (7D89v13) on an MSI z790 Carbon and it seems to have a bug that prevents you from changing the ring clock. I've had my ring set to 49 on my 13900k for several BIOS versions now. On the latest BIOS, no matter what I set the ring clock to it does not actually change, it stays at default. Anyone else noticing this as well?
 
#463 ·
mrtwk said:
Just flashed the latest BIOS (7D89v13) on an MSI z790 Carbon and it seems to have a bug that prevents you from changing the ring clock. I've had my ring set to 49 on my 13900k for several BIOS versions now. On the latest BIOS, no matter what I set the ring clock to it does not actually change, it stays at default. Anyone else noticing this as well?
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Maybe same problem as:

MSI Global English Forum

...
forum-en.msi.com forum-en.msi.com

It seems that latest BIOS for Z690 has a new setting "CPU Under Voltage Protection" which is Enabled by default.
BIOS\OC\Advanced CPU Configuration\CPU Under Voltage Protection
Maybe you can try to disable that and your ring ratio issue might be fixed.

Just guessing ...
 
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#464 ·
Hi all! New owner of a Z790i Edge here with 13900k and both 6400MT and 7800MT G.Skill Hynix A-die. I'd have to say I'm having a terrible time with the board, since I can't even enable xmp with the 6400MT set without instant bsod until using the beta bios E7E03IMS.133 found on the msi forum.
But even after using the new bios, I was not able to hit even 7600MT on both set of ram without error after a lot of testing. I have an active fan cooling the ram and they were under 50 degrees celcius when under load.
I've heard accounts of the same board doing that easily or even 8000MT. Am I missing something here or some of the revisions are just incapable of high ram speed until some bios update arrives? or did I get unlucky with the board and should return while I still got the chance.....
 
#465 ·
Pure Fox said:
Hi all! New owner of a Z790i Edge here with 13900k and both 6400MT and 7800MT G.Skill Hynix A-die. I'd have to say I'm having a terrible time with the board, since I can't even enable xmp with the 6400MT set without instant bsod until using the beta bios E7E03IMS.133 found on the msi forum.
But even after using the new bios, I was not able to hit even 7600MT on both set of ram without error after a lot of testing. I have an active fan cooling the ram and they were under 50 degrees celcius when under load.
I've heard accounts of the same board doing that easily or even 8000MT. Am I missing something here or some of the revisions are just incapable of high ram speed until some bios update arrives? or did I get unlucky with the board and should return while I still got the chance.....
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I have seen people running 8400 on this board, I managed to get mine stable at 7800 with decent sub timings but 8000 is being a pita. I tried punching in other people's settings and none of them ever worked. Every CPU IMC, every memory kit and every board have different sweet spots and it's all about trying hundreds of different combinations until you find yours. It's possible tho!

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#466 ·
Kindredice said:
I have seen people running 8400 on this board, I managed to get mine stable at 7800 with decent sub timings but 8000 is being a pita. I tried punching in other people's settings and none of them ever worked. Every CPU IMC, every memory kit and every board have different sweet spots and it's all about trying hundreds of different combinations until you find yours. It's possible tho!

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I think its just that I feel weird how some user can just boot 7600MT out of the gate while I need some bios update that's not even available on MSI website..... makes me feel like my motherboard is defective somehow, its not an isolated case either, many user have this issue.
 
#467 ·
Pure Fox said:
Hi all! New owner of a Z790i Edge here with 13900k and both 6400MT and 7800MT G.Skill Hynix A-die. I'd have to say I'm having a terrible time with the board, since I can't even enable xmp with the 6400MT set without instant bsod until using the beta bios E7E03IMS.133 found on the msi forum.
But even after using the new bios, I was not able to hit even 7600MT on both set of ram without error after a lot of testing. I have an active fan cooling the ram and they were under 50 degrees celcius when under load.
I've heard accounts of the same board doing that easily or even 8000MT. Am I missing something here or some of the revisions are just incapable of high ram speed until some bios update arrives? or did I get unlucky with the board and should return while I still got the chance.....
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Ohh I'm so sorry to hear that, but If you wanna try, maybe you can use my bios configurations for guideline.

My Bios configurations
BIOS Version 1.33
XMP Enable

CPU Ratio 55
Ring Ratio 45
MEMORY 7800 G2 (78*100)

Voltages(important)
Fixed Mode

CPU
CPU Voltage 1.240
SA 1.250
CPU VDD1.300
CPU VDDQ 1.400

DRAM
Lucky Mode 1
Advance Memory -> PMIC Unlock Voltage: Enable
VDDQ 1.480
VDD 1.480

If you can boot and enter to Windows screen, congratulations that is a good sign, after that you can config your memory CL in bios by yourself.
Actually G.Skill Memory module is made for Asus Z790-APEX so if we want to make it works, we have to modify some values in bios.

** I don't have G.Skill memory, but I pretty sure silicon grade is above than my KingbankTech.
 
#468 · (Edited)
Oracleritz said:
Ohh I'm so sorry to hear that, but If you wanna try, maybe you can use my bios configurations for guideline.

My Bios configurations
BIOS Version 1.33
XMP Enable

CPU Ratio 55
Ring Ratio 45
MEMORY 7800 G2 (78*100)

Voltages(important)
Fixed Mode

CPU
CPU Voltage 1.240
SA 1.250
CPU VDD1.300
CPU VDDQ 1.400

DRAM
Lucky Mode 1
Advance Memory -> PMIC Unlock Voltage: Enable
VDDQ 1.480
VDD 1.480

If you can boot and enter to Windows screen, congratulations that is a good sign, after that you can config your memory CL in bios by yourself.
Actually G.Skill Memory module is made for Asus Z790-APEX so if we want to make it works, we have to modify some values in bios.

** I don't have G.Skill memory, but I pretty sure silicon grade is above than my KingbankTech.
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Thanks for your advice! I will try it out later when I have the time. Is the fixed voltage about cpu voltage?
edit: What is this PMIC Unlock Voltage, is just enabling it enough?
 
#469 ·
Ken A said:
Maybe same problem as:

MSI Global English Forum

...
forum-en.msi.com forum-en.msi.com

It seems that latest BIOS for Z690 has a new setting "CPU Under Voltage Protection" which is Enabled by default.
BIOS\OC\Advanced CPU Configuration\CPU Under Voltage Protection
Maybe you can try to disable that and your ring ratio issue might be fixed.

Just guessing ...
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Not related unfortunately. The inability to change ring ratio is something that happened with this most recent BIOS release just a few days ago. We have had the CPU Under Voltage Protection since the initial BIOS release on z790 (as far as I can remember anyhow).
 
#470 · (Edited)
Pure Fox said:
Thanks for your advice! I will try it out later when I have the time. Is the fixed voltage about cpu voltage?
edit: What is this PMIC Unlock Voltage, is just enabling it enough?
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Is the fixed voltage about cpu voltage?

Sometimes when we use DDR5 memory speed more than JEDEC specifications, we have to increase SA, VDDQ and VDD voltages to make CPU IMC stable.

CPU Voltage is stand for CPU Speed Clock.

What is this PMIC Unlock Voltage, is just enabling it enough?

PMIC on memory module is stand for control memory voltage, it is locked to 1.435 by default.
if you want to increase DRAM voltage more than 1.435 (example: G.Skill-7800 XMP 1.45V) you have to unlock PMIC voltage limit to adjust it.

Take a rest and good luck with your memory.

I have a plan to buy G.Skill-7800 from newegg, but I'm waiting for budget from my wife :( .
 
#471 ·
I don’t know how to filter through the thread, so sorry if this has been asked before. What are the boot times on these motherboards supposed to look like? I have a z790 pro a wifi, and it’s hitting around 14-16s bios. My old alienware booted up in 7 with a worse nvme.
 
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MattL4J said:
I don’t know how to filter through the thread, so sorry if this has been asked before. What are the boot times on these motherboards supposed to look like? I have a z790 pro a wifi, and it’s hitting around 14-16s bios. My old alienware booted up in 7 with a worse nvme.
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Differs depending on the motherboard and whether you have the various fast boot options enabled.
I actually experienced faster boot times with the Z690 Edge compared to the Z790 Edge, with the exact same settings enabled.
So there is no real comparison to be made. Just gotta accept whatever your motherboard gives you.
 
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#474 ·
Pure Fox said:
I don't think anything is working, I spent way too long trying to make it work... the return window is ending soon, should I just return this and order a new one? or just buy one from another manufacturer...
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Did you try to set all config to default, shutdown your PC and unplug for 1-2 mins?

When I had SK-Hynix green PCB, this problem occurs 2-3 times when I tried to roll-back from tuning to stable profile.

Don't give up dude.
 
#475 ·
Pure Fox said:
Hi all! New owner of a Z790i Edge here with 13900k and both 6400MT and 7800MT G.Skill Hynix A-die. I'd have to say I'm having a terrible time with the board, since I can't even enable xmp with the 6400MT set without instant bsod until using the beta bios E7E03IMS.133 found on the msi forum.
But even after using the new bios, I was not able to hit even 7600MT on both set of ram without error after a lot of testing. I have an active fan cooling the ram and they were under 50 degrees celcius when under load.
I've heard accounts of the same board doing that easily or even 8000MT. Am I missing something here or some of the revisions are just incapable of high ram speed until some bios update arrives? or did I get unlucky with the board and should return while I still got the chance.....
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You need to test 1 stick and 1 dim slot at a time to see if you have a bad/weak dim slot or ram. Since you have 2 kits of ram it is most likely a weak dim slot on the MB or another issue somewhere.

I would do this before doing anything else. No sense in trying to run 7600 as an example if 1 slot can only do 6000 stable.

If you slot is more than about 200mhz lower than the other when testing I would exachange the MB.

Another cause could be bad/uneven CPU cooler/block mount or bent CPU socket pins. You are not using a CPU anti bend frame are you?
 
#476 ·
bscool said:
You need to test 1 stick and 1 dim slot at a time to see if you have a bad/weak dim slot or ram. Since you have 2 kits of ram it is most likely a weak dim slot on the MB or another issue somewhere.

I would do this before doing anything else. No sense in trying to run 7600 as an example if 1 slot can only do 6000 stable.

If you slot is more than about 200mhz lower than the other when testing I would exachange the MB.

Another cause could be bad/uneven CPU cooler/block mount or bent CPU socket pins. You are not using a CPU anti bend frame are you?
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Thanks for the tips on 1 dimm testing, I will do that later today. I am actually using one of those anti-bending frame, but the previous "xmp not working" situation isn't caused by that, but by the bios. Should I put the original bracket back when testing that?
 
#477 ·
Pure Fox said:
Thanks for the tips on 1 dimm testing, I will do that later today. I am actually using one of those anti-bending frame, but the previous "xmp not working" situation isn't caused by that, but by the bios. Should I put the original bracket back when testing that?
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It is uip to you but it is another variable if you use the frame and have issues.
 
#478 ·
New bios for the MSI z790i is out

www.msi.com

MPG Z790I EDGE WIFI

MPG series motherboards offer silver white color scheme for compact PC build, tuned for better performance by direct 10 phases VRM power, DDR5 memory with Memory Boost, Lightning Gen5 solution, Premium Thermal Solution, Wi-Fi 6E, 2.5G LANUSB 3.2 Gen 2x2
www.msi.com www.msi.com

Description:
  • Support exFAT file system.
  • Update CPU Micro code.
  • Improve memory compatibility.

The same as for almost every z790 board from the last days.

Still noch z690 updates on this.
 
#479 · (Edited)
Before Christmas I got a Z790 ACE and when I ran a RAM stress test via AIDA I got really high pitched coil whine.
I returned that board and got a replacement from Newegg, this board is doing the same thing.
I can hear the coil while gaming as well, and pretty much anything that stresses the ram.
This is my first time buying an MSI board, I expected more from a board at this price point.

Additionally I have stress tested the sticks individually.
Other than that the system runs fine.
BIOS and everything up to date.
The RAM kit is on the QVL list, it's GSkill "F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK"

Anyone else experience this?
 
#480 ·
GiacomaPredatore said:
Before Christmas I got a Z790 ACE and when I ran a RAM stress test via AIDA I got really high pitched coil whine.
I returned that board and got a replacement from Newegg, this board is doing the same thing.
I can hear the coil while gaming as well, and pretty much anything that stresses the ram.
This is my first time buying an MSI board, I expected more from a board at this price point.

Additionally I have stress tested the sticks individually.
Other than that the system runs fine.
BIOS and everything up to date.
The RAM kit is on the QVL list, it's GSkill "F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK"

Anyone else experience this?
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I have seen many people say that they hear the high pitch whine when running Aida(on various manufactures MB). I don't think it has anything to do with the MB specifically.

Not saying it is related to this but I notice when I have built system that have RGB in them I can hear it vs turning off/disabling all RGB. Just certain things(hardware/software) bring weird things like this out.

The only thing I can suggest to try is disabling all power saving, RGB on MB/RAM etc and see if anything improves it or makes it better or worse.
 
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